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06-17-2013, 11:07 PM
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In case you hadn't noticed, the Flyers biggest problem was at ES. Streit doesn't exactly help with that and he is going to continue to decline. They need someone who can carry the play at ES, not a guy who is evolving into more of a PP specialist.
Flyers ES problems ( 4 ES goals away from being 15th btw) were only for this asterisk season. In the previous 2 seasons they finished 6th and 2nd in the league for ES scoring. not usualLy a problem.

if you hadnt noticed defense was depleted all year. Got worse and worse.

what were the other ufa options this year? Overpaying was therefore to be expected. flyers could have passed and dress Gervais, Huskins or Lauridsen. i prefer Streit.

Things would have been way different with Pronger healthy. has to be Holmgrens fault i guess.

what if i told you Bobrovsky was to become a Vezina winner? Exactly...

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06-17-2013, 11:09 PM
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What about the stat next to it? 50 take aways tied for 3rd.

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06-17-2013, 11:10 PM
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Alright, got me there.

Still not as bad as you're making him sound.

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06-17-2013, 11:11 PM
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Great addition. The icing on the cake is everybody here losing their minds. I hear Lasse Kukkonen is available for league minimum. Ideal hfboards cap expert signing right there.

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06-17-2013, 11:12 PM
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What about the stat next to it? 50 take aways tied for 3rd.
Yeah what he said.

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06-17-2013, 11:12 PM
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He turns the puck over more than Matt Carle.
Had a harder competetion AND a better corsi than Carle.

Fun fact. streit had a better corsi rating than Harmonic (their top defender).

Its alright to be mad at the length and amount here people buts lets not bend the facts. He's not nearly as bad at ES as some people are saying. He faces good competition and comes out about average. Then he brings his PP game. In a weak market he was commanding this money. The team struggled this past season. As much as people wanted Homer to sit on his hands, there was a 0% chance of it happen.

Dont know why some are acting suprised. We got market vue for a 3-4 defender in a weak market.

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06-17-2013, 11:13 PM
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All puck moving defensemen turn the puck over a lot. The difference is that Carle isn't even a good puck mover.

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06-17-2013, 11:17 PM
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I said it earlier, but I'll say it again. I would rather them make a move like this instead of throwing a bunch of money at Horton, or a trade Schenn/Couturier for Yandle, Ryan or any of the many unrealistic options that have been speculated to death around here. Enough of the homerun attempts at shiny new toys and make some hockey moves to fill holes. Streit does just that.

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06-17-2013, 11:17 PM
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what were the other ufa options this year? Overpaying was therefore to be expected. flyers could have passed and dress Gervais, Huskins or Lauridsen. i prefer Streit.
I've made that point, but the Flyers are still burning the candle at both ends. The Islanders never get (or got) anyone to sign there, Streit did, and they passed on keeping him. Not that we should be taking cues from the Islanders, but what are the real reasons the Flyers were so desperate to get him?

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06-17-2013, 11:34 PM
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Maybe Kimmo has told them this year is definitely his last.

My favorite post on the Trade forum thread is the guy who claims we could have had Weber for a "little" more.

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06-17-2013, 11:36 PM
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Maybe Kimmo has told them this year is definitely his last.

My favorite post on the Trade forum thread is the guy who claims we could have had Weber for a "little" more.
I knew Holmgren should have caved and added the 6th rounder! He must be kicking himself ... in between tossing out $5 million 35+ contracts.

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06-17-2013, 11:41 PM
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Just a question to all the complainers:

Let's say he gets 1M more per year than all of us think he's worth....

who the bleep cares???

Its 1 million out of 64! and we all know that 64 number is going up.

We buyout bryz and briere and we have a ton of space still.

Seriously, everybody calm down. He would have gotten a lot on the open market. He fills a need, we got him. We got better, can't we just be happy? lol... Let the front office worry about the friggin cap.

And seriously, stop worrying about the possibility of him retiring. He's 35, and doesnt have much wear on him. If he does, he does, we deal with it then. But I believe he will easily play 4 more years.
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06-17-2013, 11:47 PM
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Maybe Kimmo has told them this year is definitely his last.

My favorite post on the Trade forum thread is the guy who claims we could have had Weber for a "little" more.
I think this is the likely scenario. They realized that if they lost out on Streit and then Timonen in the off season things would have gotten ugly really quick going into 2014-2015.

People also need to remember that Streit didn't start playing in the NHL until he was 27-28. He doesn't have the typical wear and tear that most 35 years old have that have been playing in the NHL for around 15 years.

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06-17-2013, 11:49 PM
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Well put..
No it's not. This is the max he would have gotten on the open market. A very bad contract.

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I think this is the likely scenario. They realized that if they lost out on Streit and then Timonen in the off season things would have gotten ugly really quick going into 2014-2015.

People also need to remember that Streit didn't start playing in the NHL until he was 27-28. He doesn't have the typical wear and tear that most 35 years old have that have been playing in the NHL for around 15 years.
I'm taking this part with a grain of salt. It's not like he spent his years before the NHL at Club Med.

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06-18-2013, 12:06 AM
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i just laugh my ass off every time someone signs a contract here all the whining and *****ing if you dont like move on.

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No it's not. This is the max he would have gotten on the open market. A very bad contract.
I disagree, I think he would've gotten more. IMO
Also the silver lining is we keep Cout and Schenn and get a decent pmd.

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06-18-2013, 12:09 AM
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A bit too long/high but I'm not that mad about it. We got a good player in Streit.

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06-18-2013, 01:34 AM
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I've made that point, but the Flyers are still burning the candle at both ends. The Islanders never get (or got) anyone to sign there, Streit did, and they passed on keeping him. Not that we should be taking cues from the Islanders, but what are the real reasons the Flyers were so desperate to get him?
i am going to guess the Flyers chose not to give up any high end assets for a PMD. So they chose to roll the dice on a 35+ defenseman to a multi year deal. While I dont mind that they chose Streit over giving up high end assets to land say Yandle I am not a fan of this contract. It is a huge risk to hand a guy like Streit a 4 year deal.
the money is around what I would of given, but I would of preferred a 2 or 3 year deal.

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06-18-2013, 03:03 AM
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But again, that could have the same negative effect. There is risk and reward in both. This team was severely lacking a PMD last season. The Flyers got arguably the best PMD on the market (RFAs excluded). Did they overpay? Sure. Is that worse than getting nothing? Maybe, maybe not. You have to take risks. Not every deal is going to be great.
Exactly.

The good thing is that we have a generous owner and a GM who will do anything to win. Mark Streit was the clear cut no1 amongst PMD in free agency and Homer went after him and got him signed. It's always a risk to sign a 35 year old to a 4 year contract but at least he signed the right type of player.

The bad thing is that Homer has zero patience and often over-commits when it comes to getting his preferred piece - almost like a kid in the candy store. When you acquire the rights to a player who already expresses his interest in playing here and how positive he feels about this franchise what's the point in getting the deal done within two days? Why throw the money and years at him when Homer could just wait it out for some more days to bring down the AAV a little to mitigate the cap situation?

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06-18-2013, 04:16 AM
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In case you hadn't noticed, the Flyers biggest problem was at ES. Streit doesn't exactly help with that and he is going to continue to decline. They need someone who can carry the play at ES, not a guy who is evolving into more of a PP specialist.
Enough of these logical, well thought out posts.

We should all just be happy because our team spends money and makes big moves. We win the offseason with our big splashes, who cares about the Cup?

And who cares about the cap, or the fact that we don't have a starting goalie (because Homer traded a Vezina winner to C-Bus for a 2nd round pick)?!? That doesn't matter. The fact that this team can't contend right now doesn't matter. Any chance you have to improve your team, even if only for the short term, you take it. No matter the money, no matter how much it bones you in the long-term.

Mark Streit has made us a potentially top 16 team in the NHL for 2013-2014. Who the heck cares what happens in years 2, 3, and 4? Holmgren sure doesn't. And neither should you (if you're a good fan).

Also, as part of being a good fan, you should act like 38-39 year old defensemen still playing like they are in their 20s is commonplace in the NHL. There's no reason to think Streit has slowed down / will continue to slow down. If that scrub Lidstrom played to 42 and that hack Jagr is still playing at 41, Mark Streit should be good till at least age 45, if not 50...I think that bum Howe was still playing when he was 50...

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Cool beans. You know who else has more giveaways then Carle in the 2 years you posted?

Subban
Chara
Byfuglien
Weber
Doughty
Yandle
Voynov
Carlson
Goligoski
Markov
Letang
Schultz
Bouwmeester
Wideman
Karlsson
Phaneuf
Burns

I see a list of puck moving d-men, a couple Norris' too.

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For everyone saying they're happy we have Streit without losing Couturier or Schenn, be careful, it's only June 18th and Homer has just begun.

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06-18-2013, 07:43 AM
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And so do Boyle, Subban, Carlson, Seabrook, Weber, Chara, etc. etc.

All good puck moving defenders have high turnovers by the nature of the job.
I've been arguing this for years. But so many of you are convinced Carle sucks because he turns the puck over so I am pointing out Streit turns it over even more frequently.

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Contract is one year too long for sure, but the cap hit/AAV is just right. Honestly, other than giving that 4th year I think Holmgren did fine here and I don't get all the *****ing and complaining. Average defenders who register 40-50 points seem to command 5+ million on the open market over the last couple of years hence it is market value and fair.

Matt Carle 5.5 million
James Wisniewski 5.5 million
Denis Wideman 5.25 million
Keith Yandle 5.25 million (RFA contract)
Mark Streit 5.25 million
Sergei Gonchar 5.0 million

The Flyers were DESPERATE for a mobile top 4 defenseman who could bring some offense and skill to their back end. The fact that they didn't have to overpay in a trade (Couturier, 11th overall pick, and possibly more) or give Streit 6 million a year and a full NTC was definitely a good thing in my opinion. Holmgren messed up big time last summer and put himself in this position to begin with but I think he did fairly well under the circumstances. Time will tell.

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