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09-10-2012, 05:08 PM
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NHL.com agrees with canon.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8447687&view=notes

As does TSN.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/...=nhl-red_wings

It would be interesting to see the original source.
Based on what TheoKritos posted, it appears to be from Tip Magazine... Whatever that is. I would love to see their "best goaltender" awards for every year

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I decided to add the all-star results from 68-69 to 80-81 to see what it would look like. The voting in those years was the same 5-3-1 format, the only difference was that those years the voters were writers instead of GMs.

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Martin Brodeur155.4072
Ken Dryden74.7817
Dominik Hasek114.7591
Patrick Roy174.6216
Tony Esposito124.1564
Ed Belfour112.5044
Bernie Parent92.2239
Tom Barrasso71.9833
Mike Liut71.8349
Ed Giacomin51.8291
Glenn Resch71.6855
Grant Fuhr81.5901
Rogie Vachon61.5778
Roberto Luongo71.5600
Tim Thomas31.5533
John Vanbiesbrouck91.5329
Henrik Lundqvist71.4933
Miikka Kiprusoff71.4333

Dryden's score is just ridiculous for a career as brief as his. Esposito's longevity of consistent high-level play was extraordinary. I'm actually surprised Parent didn't finish higher. It's unfortunate that Glenn Resch hit his peak before the Isles Cup dynasty, as it's caused some to overlook how good he was in the 70s.

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Esposito has always been in the very upper crust of elite regular season goalies; it's just not something you see people acknowledge all that often. Too many people want to think that the real Esposito is the one from the 99 playoff games, half of which were played against a team top-3 in the league offensively.

I am pretty sure GVT still has him 2nd all-time, which is pretty impressive.

The Parent/Esposito thing is really interesting, because I think three things are clear:

- Esposito was always better than Parent, from 1969-1980.
- Except for 1974 and 1975, when Parent was better.
- And not only was Parent better those two years, he was spectacularly better.

Does that make Parent the better all-time goalie?

These are two guys I've owned in the ATD and made passionate cases for. Esposito being the more recent one, maybe I am biased towards him.

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09-10-2012, 08:00 PM
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Thanks for doing that, Reckoning. Do you have a full list or just the guys at the top?

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09-11-2012, 10:03 AM
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What is "Tip" magazine?
I don't really know. Obviously a sports magazine, either covering different sports or only hockey.

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And do you know if their "best goaltender" selection was based only off the current season or was it overall? Because Sindel beat out Hasek in Golden Stick voting in 1988, indicating he had a better season, but Hasek was the easy pick for best overall based on past performance. Or did Tip just have a different opinion on the season from Golden Stick voting?
Probably the latter. Kenny Jönsson was named the "Best Defender" in the 2006 Olympics, but Nicklas Lidström made the All-Star team instead of him. Different voters, different opinions. Another curious year is 1984. Jaromír Šindel (6th, 370 points) is clearly ahead of a 19 year old Dominik Hašek (9th, 221 points) in Zlatá hokejka voting, but in the Izvestia Golden Stick voting Hašek is the third best player in Europe just behind Fetisov and Tretiak. Now that's something I'd love to hear an explanation for!

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Probably the latter. Kenny Jönsson was named the "Best Defender" in the 2006 Olympics, but Nicklas Lidström made the All-Star team instead of him. Different voters, different opinions.
There were actually a lot of times this happened, weren't there?

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Tipsport is the biggest sport betting agency in the Czech Republic, and they sponsor the Extraliga, as well as running a couple of arenas. I assume they are connected to the magazine, but don't know for sure.

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Updated post 2. 2012-13 runner up Henrik Lundqvist is now #6 in Vezina shares, and one more significant finish away from passing Tom Barrasso for #5.

Vezina winner Sergei Bobrovski had never received a single vote before. 3rd-6th place (Niemi, Anderson, Rask, Howard) all received a single vote or two on a single occasion before this season.

Ray Emery's single first place vote (technically finishing 7th) ties him with Manny Legace.

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Ray Emery's single first place vote (technically finishing 7th) ties him with Manny Legace.
Sounds about right.

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