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10-14-2006, 11:00 PM
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Offense is the Problem

The problem is not Huet or our goaltending at all. The problem is our offense. We're simply not scoring goals. The objective for Bob Gainey this year was to bolster his offense and it really doesn't seem like that has happened (although he tried). Bulis had 20 goals last year and Zednik had 16. Will Samsonov and Johnson account for 36 goals this year? I'm not so sure. And I'm not saying I was sad to see Bulis and Zednik go either. It was their time.

Other than the trades to swap forwards our Habs are banking on the youngsters to produce (Latendresse, Kostitsyn, Perezhogin, etc.) . I like Perezhogin, but he's just not meshing, much like last year.

It's strange to see the way our Habs played vs Buffalo and how they skated with them all game, but haven't looked the part since (even in their wins). The new NHL should be ripe for our speedy Habs. I look at the scores every night and I see teams killing each other 6-2, 7-3, etc. and I wonder why can't my Habs score 6 or 7 goals. It doesn't seem to be a problem for a heck of a lot of teams thus far. Aside from the 4 goals vs Buffalo the Habs score 2 vs the leafs plus the SO. They score 3 vs Philly including the empty netter and only 2 vs the Sens. Where's the finish?

Does anyone share my concern?

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10-14-2006, 11:03 PM
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its way to early in the year to make a judgment .
give it 20 games will get a better idea

if we can manage to get 6 outta 8 pts like we have not playing our best hockey i cant complain about that .

getting any points vs divisional opponents has to be loooked at as a positive .

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My concern is the shoddy, fragile defense! We nee someone to make that first pass, and we do not have that; the team relies on either Kovalev, Koivu, or another forward to transition the game to the offense as the defensemen are not capable of doing just that.

Look around the teams; our offense is better or equal to almost any other team in the east; our defense is better than what? Long Island, Florida, Atlanta, and I really blank out thinking of a fourth team here...

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The 2nd line isn't clicking and the 3nd one lacks finish. I would like to see Johnson given a chance on the 2nd line and Samsonov shipped on the 3nd line. Samsonov can't work the corners and the 2nd line needs someone a little more physical to keep the puck in.

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its way to early in the year to make a judgment .
give it 20 games will get a better idea

if we can manage to get 6 outta 8 pts like we have not playing our best hockey i cant complain about that .
While I agree that it is early in the season, it still doesn't seem too early in the seson for other teams to score 5, 6, 7 goals every now and then. I'd really like to see a breakout game for our Habs. I'd love to see Perezhogin come out and make some noise with a pair of goals some time. Other than Ryder, Higgins, and Koivu I haven't seen much spark from other forwards. If you remember Begin had a much better start offensively last year until he was injured. We're missing that from Begin this year. Again, it's early and we'll see.

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and some how with all the concerns about who isnt clicking after only 4 games weve managed to take 6 out of 8 .

guys its a long season 4 games i wont worry about who has clicked yet or not .


it will come changes will be made if need be . Patience guys/gals Patience.

were undefeated in regulation time .

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The 2nd line isn't clicking and the 3nd one lacks finish. I would like to see Johnson given a chance on the 2nd line and Samsonov shipped on the 3nd line. Samsonov can't work the corners and the 2nd line needs someone a little more physical to keep the puck in.
I agree with your comment on Johnson. Given more ice time with better offensive players he can contribute.

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and some how with all the concerns about who isnt clicking after only 4 games weve managed to take 6 out of 8 .

guys its a long season 4 games i wont worry about who has clicked yet or not .


it will come changes will be made if need be . Patience guys/gals Patience
I know..I know...It's just these early games in the season that can make the difference later on when teams are battling. I especially hate it when Ottawa, Buffalo, and Toronto all get 2 points tonight while we got 1. That hurts.

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The problem is not Huet or our goaltending at all. The problem is our offense. We're simply not scoring goals. The objective for Bob Gainey this year was to bolster his offense and it really doesn't seem like that has happened (although he tried). Bulis had 20 goals last year and Zednik had 16. Will Samsonov and Johnson account for 36 goals this year? I'm not so sure. And I'm not saying I was sad to see Bulis and Zednik go either. It was their time.

Other than the trades to swap forwards our Habs are banking on the youngsters to produce (Latendresse, Kostitsyn, Perezhogin, etc.) . I like Perezhogin, but he's just not meshing, much like last year.

It's strange to see the way our Habs played vs Buffalo and how they skated with them all game, but haven't looked the part since (even in their wins). The new NHL should be ripe for our speedy Habs. I look at the scores every night and I see teams killing each other 6-2, 7-3, etc. and I wonder why can't my Habs score 6 or 7 goals. It doesn't seem to be a problem for a heck of a lot of teams thus far. Aside from the 4 goals vs Buffalo the Habs score 2 vs the leafs plus the SO. They score 3 vs Philly including the empty netter and only 2 vs the Sens. Where's the finish?

Does anyone share my concern?
too early for me to make a judgment. But for the record, we got 11 goals in 4 games.

goals are inflated by the amount of PPs given to teams. I think the habs only had 1 or 2 powerplays tonight.

In general , I'd like to see how much time montreal has spent on the PK versus how many minutes have been spent on the PP because I have a feeling we've had more PK situations. Cant score if you cant stay out of the box

As for your tally of how we fare up against other divisional teams. I think the best thing to do is keep a record of how many points we've given up to our divisional oppnents and how many points we've taken from the same oppnents.

We're at a -1 difference right now (Even though we really haven't lost yet. Welcome to the whacky NHL) . The playoff road will get that much easier if we stay above 0


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I know..I know...It's just these early games in the season that can make the difference later on when teams are battling. I especially hate it when Ottawa, Buffalo, and Toronto all get 2 points tonight while we got 1. That hurts.

what about boston ?

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too early for me to make a judgment. But for the record, we got 11 goals in 4 games.

goals are inflated by the amount of PPs given to teams. I think the habs only had 1 or 2 powerplays tonight.

In general , I'd like to see how much time montreal has spent on the PK versus how many minutes have been spent on the PP because I have a feeling we've had more PK situations. Cant score if you cant stay out of the box
While we're taking more penalties than the opposition every night (on average) I believe we've only allowed one PP against. Our PK is probably the best in the league or close to it.

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I was at the game tonight and let me tell you what our problem is, the second line. The higgins/koivu/ryder and bonk/johnson/perezhogin lines are fine but the second line is just god awful, Kovalev and Samsonov are too much alike.

That, and the fact that Kovalev looked like he didn't want to be there tonight just didn't help. He looked like an headless chicken without the puck on a few occasions, he just didn't care...

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what about boston ?
Boston lost. I'm not worried about them anyways.

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I was at the game tonight and let me tell you what our problem is, the second line. The higgins/koivu/ryder and bonk/johnson/perezhogin lines are fine but the second line is just god awful, Kovalev and Samsonov are too much alike.

That, and the fact that Kovalev looked like he didn't want to be there tonight just didn't help. He looked like an headless chicken without the puck on a few occasions, he just didn't care...
I still think Kovy is not 100%. Foot/leg injury.

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Here's my revised funky lines...

Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Samsonov-Johnson-Ryder
Plekanec-Bonk-Perezhogin
Downey-Begin-Murray

Send Latendresse back to juniors and tell him to work on speed.

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"Offense is the problem" - always has been, always will be. We can go on and on about this FOREVER (actually, it already seems like we have!

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My concerns:

- Samsonov and Perezhogin should swap places. It's clear as day that the second line doesn't complement one another's skillset, the third line has three hard workers who aren't connecting as much as they should be offensively despite maintaining puck possession deep in the offensive zone, and the fourth line is being outplayed by the opposing fourth-lines. So shake it up, try to fix the second and third lines first and foremost, then look at addressing the fourth line's problems.

- The breakout. It's flat out miserable. And it's changing from being reliant on the center back to being reliant on the D. The gap between forwards and D on the breakout is way too large.

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My concerns:

- Samsonov and Perezhogin should swap places. It's clear as day that the second line doesn't complement one another's skillset, the third line has three hard workers who aren't connecting as much as they should be offensively despite maintaining puck possession deep in the offensive zone, and the fourth line is being outplayed by the opposing fourth-lines. So shake it up, try to fix the second and third lines first and foremost, then look at addressing the fourth line's problems.

- The breakout. It's flat out miserable. And it's changing from being reliant on the center back to being reliant on the D. The gap between forwards and D on the breakout is way too large.

I've seen Perezhogin play with different line combinations since start of last year and he just doesn't have good judgement or anitcipation for where to be on the ice. It doesn't seem like he'll gel with anyone. He's played with Kovy. He's played with Koivu. As a matter of fact he started last year on a line with Kovy and Koivu when Zednik was out with injury to start the season. Perezhogin had a good few games until Zednik came back and reclaimed first line duties (until it flopped). Perezhogin hasn't been the same since.

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He was fine with Plekanec, and he's been fine with Bonk and Johnson.

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He was fine with Plekanec, and he's been fine with Bonk and Johnson.
I guess it depends on what your definition of fine is. I never see his name on the scoreboard. I never even see him coming close to scoring other than the post he hit vs Toronto last week with 2 seconds left in the second period. To me, he just doesn't stand out. I expected him to have an impact. You might say that Ryder and Higgins set the bar when it comes to rookies or young players making an impact. My opinion, of course.

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I guess it depends on what your definition of fine is. I never see his name on the scoreboard. I never even see him coming close to scoring other than the post he hit vs Toronto last week with 2 seconds left in the second period. To me, he just doesn't stand out. I expected him to have an impact. You might say that Ryder and Higgins set the bar when it comes to rookies or young players making an impact. My opinion, of course.
I guess you missed the chance in tonight's game when he was robbed by Emery. I believe it was in the third period and was one of the team's best scoring chances. He was in front of the net and Emery made a great save to keep it 2-1 at the time. I also found it curious that Carbo sent Perezhogin out on the PP with Koivu and Higgins at one point. It was brief but I wondered if he was trying to get him going.

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I guess you missed the chance in tonight's game when he was robbed by Emery. I believe it was in the third period and was one of the team's best scoring chances. He was in front of the net and Emery made a great save to keep it 2-1 at the time. I also found it curious that Carbo sent Perezhogin out on the PP with Koivu and Higgins at one point. It was brief but I wondered if he was trying to get him going.
I didn't catch that part. I live in Southwestern Ontario and SRC doesn't show the games on Saturday nights anymore as of this year. I was able to watch 13 minutes of the second period and the last 5 minutes of the third, on (Video Stream from TVU). I listened to the game on CJAD otherwise. I hope Perezhogin proves me wrong.

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My concerns:

- Samsonov and Perezhogin should swap places. It's clear as day that the second line doesn't complement one another's skillset, the third line has three hard workers who aren't connecting as much as they should be offensively despite maintaining puck possession deep in the offensive zone, and the fourth line is being outplayed by the opposing fourth-lines. So shake it up, try to fix the second and third lines first and foremost, then look at addressing the fourth line's problems.

- The breakout. It's flat out miserable. And it's changing from being reliant on the center back to being reliant on the D. The gap between forwards and D on the breakout is way too large.
Its not a bad idea to swap perez and sammy.

A subtle change like that might get the 2nd line going. Perez and pleks worked wel the last time we saw them.


My only concern is having sammy on a line that the habs have used to play against opposing team's top line. I know, perez was no defensive specialist either but he but sammy just makes me nervous at both ends of the rink.

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The problem is not Huet or our goaltending at all. The problem is our offense. We're simply not scoring goals. The objective for Bob Gainey this year was to bolster his offense and it really doesn't seem like that has happened (although he tried). Bulis had 20 goals last year and Zednik had 16. Will Samsonov and Johnson account for 36 goals this year? I'm not so sure. And I'm not saying I was sad to see Bulis and Zednik go either. It was their time.

Other than the trades to swap forwards our Habs are banking on the youngsters to produce (Latendresse, Kostitsyn, Perezhogin, etc.) . I like Perezhogin, but he's just not meshing, much like last year.

It's strange to see the way our Habs played vs Buffalo and how they skated with them all game, but haven't looked the part since (even in their wins). The new NHL should be ripe for our speedy Habs. I look at the scores every night and I see teams killing each other 6-2, 7-3, etc. and I wonder why can't my Habs score 6 or 7 goals. It doesn't seem to be a problem for a heck of a lot of teams thus far. Aside from the 4 goals vs Buffalo the Habs score 2 vs the leafs plus the SO. They score 3 vs Philly including the empty netter and only 2 vs the Sens. Where's the finish?

Does anyone share my concern?
We are playing a no risk game, every lines has to play a solid all around game and dominate the opposition when they are on the ice, what we are doing since the beginning of the season and the reason why we got 6 pts out of 8 until now... Also, we faced 4 strong teams giving us the best out of them.. We will score more goals when we will face teams with more weakness...

One thing I will agree, our second line isnt clicking as it should be but Im still highly confident it will get going soon... Samsonov was clearly the weak link on that line in the first few games of the season but he showed some promising in the third tonight... Kovalev well, really frustrating to watch tonight but he is clearly not confortable, playing hurt... Be patient, our second line will be great..

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My God !
I can't believe some of you guys.

The ofence does not score, the defence is frigile, the Goalies are lucky.
Player X looks like he is hurt, quick trade away anything to get a replacement.

I just cant believe some of you guys!!!

"the sky is falling, the Habs are not perfect"

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