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06-18-2013, 06:38 PM
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And one is an actual top pairing defender.
Yeah, Bouwmeester is a top pairing d-man if he has another actual #1 pairing to play with. Neither Bouwmeester or Coburn are good enough to carry a top pairing, but if you put Coburn with a right handed offensive minded d-man, he would be fine as a top pairing d-man.

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One of these guys makes a lot more than the other. One of these guys is a lot more physical than the other. They both skate well, but this is apples and oranges.
And both were former 1st round picks who were drafted high and were expected to accomplish a lot more than they have at this point in their careers. I'm not comparing their salaries like some other dolts, they're similar in the sense that they're just good defensemen who don't excel at anything in particular. What makes either one of them above average? Their pay checks?

And the Ducks trading Bobby Ryan for Coburn would be ridiculously lopsided. Of course Flyers fans will jump all over this trade, deep down most of the honest ones know that it would be a tremendous return for a middle pairing defenseman.

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With John Gibson in the wings Anaheim may be interested in including Hiller.

Hiller + Ryan for Couturier + Voracek.

Draft a dman at 11.

Boom.
That's brutal for the Flyers. Absolutely horrible.

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And one is an actual top pairing defender.



Well I don't know if I'd call Coburn an "actual" top pairing defenseman, but he seemed to fill the role well when he played alongside Timonen.

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Yeah, Bouwmeester is a top pairing d-man if he has another actual #1 pairing to play with. Neither Bouwmeester or Coburn are good enough to carry a top pairing, but if you put Coburn with a right handed offensive minded d-man, he would be fine as a top pairing d-man.
I'm sure you've watched plenty of JayBo. He was just as good with St. Louis as he was this season with Calgary.

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Well I don't know if I'd call Coburn an "actual" top pairing defenseman, but he seemed to fill the role well when he played alongside Timonen.
Philly fans saying he is a #2 at times, but most of the times he acts like a #4 would not constitute a top pairing defender...

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With John Gibson in the wings Anaheim may be interested in including Hiller.

Hiller + Ryan for Couturier + Voracek.

Draft a dman at 11.

Boom.
No... That would be an awful move to make for the Flyers.

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06-18-2013, 06:44 PM
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Philly fans saying he is a #2 at times, but most of the times he acts like a #4 would not constitute a top pairing defender...
Through most of his time here, Coburn has been a solid 2/3 type. He could play a supporting role in a top-pairing or a leading role in a 2nd pairing--but he gets some of the toughest minutes on the team.

He was awful last year. That is probably doing a lot to shape people's views of his value.

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If i had to guess....

i would say Ryan + for #11 +Couts/Shenn + as the baseline

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"A Flyers source, who did not know of the trade discussions, said that the organization has long coveted Ryan going back to the days when Bob Clarke was the general manager."

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...eal-ducks-ryan

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Through most of his time here, Coburn has been a solid 2/3 type. He could play a supporting role in a top-pairing or a leading role in a 2nd pairing--but he gets some of the toughest minutes on the team.

He was awful last year. That is probably doing a lot to shape people's views of his value.
Curious, any ideas why he was so bad last year?

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I don't hate it...but can we just hang onto our picks and draft a good, young defenseman?

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Curious, any ideas why he was so bad last year?
He was relied upon waaaaay too much last year to provide offence and it killed his defensive game...plus Brysgalov behind you doesn't help.

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Curious, any ideas why he was so bad last year?
Bill Meltzer talked about it in his article today.

A. He was tasked with being a primary puck mover on his pairing, which is not his game. He's a defensive dman. He looked uncomfortable playing in that role.

B. He didn't play overseas during the lockout.

C. Played with Bruno Gervais instead of his old partners in Timonen and Grossmann.

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06-18-2013, 06:50 PM
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Curious, any ideas why he was so bad last year?
The whole unit was overwhelmed because they were asked to do things that they weren't suited for. Coburn was expected to lead the second pair and be the primary puck mover between him and Grossmann, and he's not suited for that role. He's more of a positional defensive defenseman at this point of his career, and I'm not convinced that he can ever be relied on to do anything more than that. Now that Streit is there, Coburn can go bad to piggybacking a puckmover. No one really knows if that's going to be Timonen, Streit, or Gus though at this point.

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Curious, any ideas why he was so bad last year?
injuries didn't help, but he was in one of his ruts.

There's angry Coburn, who we tend to see around playoff time...and he's a borderline legit #1 punishing shutdown guy.

Then there's regular Coburn, who makes bad decisions and looks closer to a 4/5 guys than a 1/2.

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Curious, any ideas why he was so bad last year?
He was given duties he shouldnt have been. He was expected to have more of an offensive role and its clear thats not his game. He really struggled getting the puck out of the zone and it led to a lot of goals against.

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injuries didn't help, but he was in one of his ruts.

There's angry Coburn, who we tend to see around playoff time...and he's a borderline legit #1 punishing shutdown guy.

Then there's regular Coburn, who makes bad decisions and looks closer to a 4/5 guys than a 1/2.
This.

I can always live with regular Coburn because we usually get angry Coburn in the playoffs, and that guy's a beast.

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Philly fans saying he is a #2 at times, but most of the times he acts like a #4 would not constitute a top pairing defender...
As a Flyers fan, I can say I pretty much agree with you. Coburn is fine as the #2 or #4 D-man...but he has always had issues if he is the go-to guy on the pair. JBo can be the top guy but is suited better as a #2...and can definately be the #3 running the 2nd pairing.

Coburn is a complementary d-man, JBo can be the main guy.

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Never a dull moment for Flyers fans, eh?
I've gotta say, the **** Homer pulls actually makes me glad to be a Flames fan. Although being a Flames fan hasn't been that bad since Sutter was ousted.

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Bill Meltzer talked about it in his article today.

A. He was tasked with being a primary puck mover on his pairing, which is not his game. He's a defensive dman. He looked uncomfortable playing in that role.

B. He didn't play overseas during the lockout.

C. Played with Bruno Gervais instead of his old partners in Timonen and Grossmann.
Hypothetically, if he were playing with Fowler, he'd be in a role that allowed him to stick to those strengths. Cam would be the go-to guy on that pairing, and Coburn would be tasked to complement him, and not the other way around. This is all theoretical, but that could be a win for Coburn and Anaheim.

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I've gotta say, the **** Homer pulls actually makes me glad to be a Flames fan. Although being a Flames fan hasn't been that bad since Sutter was ousted.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...and-avalanche/

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highway robbery if that were to happen.. coburn is an average dman... if they actually focused on d they would be a solid ass team..bryz isnt even the issue compared to how bad the d is... you guys score a ton of goals.. why do they need bobby ryan? they should be trying to get young dmen.. holmgren is no better then slats.. damn and i thought we had it bad..

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I'm just happy that as of now, Philly has 3 guys to pass the puck in Kimmo, Streit and Gus. Let the other 3 be the shutdown/physical guys-Coburn, Grossmann and Schenn. And Mez....well as of today...he is still there but if healthy, he can play a blend of both.

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That is a terrible deal...I could totally see Murray doing it though.

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