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06-19-2013, 07:17 AM
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Can we all agree that the solid out of town ratings for this final is because of the Chicago/Boston factor? Transplant fans, or even people who are fans of a city rooting for "their cities" team. eg. Red Sox fan in New York watching the Bruins? Who might not even be from Boston.

When it's LA/New Jersey, nobody really cared because there is no following of these cities or teams. A little bigger bump on the west coast, but hockey is an east coast sport.

These ratings would be the same if it was New York Rangers/Detroit Red Wings, only different cities would be higher than others. Atlantic City(Rangers) versus Indiana(Hawks) for example.

It's all about who's playing and how big their following is, and how big their cities following is. If there's different big teams playing in the Final every year, then more cities would be watching and a better chance of getting actual new hockey fans. It's a slow process though. If the big American teams or even Leafs/Canadiens are not in the Finals consistently, then the NHL and NHLPA's projected revenue increases will not happen. Which will be a blackeye for the NHLPA who is banking on higher revenues to pay for their lost salary.

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06-19-2013, 09:57 AM
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Regarding NBCSN trying to get their channel to a lower digit.

Why don't they take Channel 500, or 600 or 999 etc to make it easier to remember for everyone?

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06-19-2013, 10:12 AM
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Regarding NBCSN trying to get their channel to a lower digit.

Why don't they take Channel 500, or 600 or 999 etc to make it easier to remember for everyone?
That's up to the cable provider.

It's on 174 for me, with ESPN at 173. On Uverse and DirecTV, it's right in the middle of the rest of the sports channels, so no problems there.

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06-19-2013, 10:54 AM
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Most of Milwaukee is and Kenosha is tiny compared to the whole metro area (4th biggest county in SE Wisconsin).
What? You serious?
I thought somebody told me that Milwaukee and Wisconsin do not and will not ever root for Chicago in any sport.

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Can we all agree that the solid out of town ratings for this final is because of the Chicago/Boston factor? Transplant fans, or even people who are fans of a city rooting for "their cities" team. eg. Red Sox fan in New York watching the Bruins? Who might not even be from Boston.

When it's LA/New Jersey, nobody really cared because there is no following of these cities or teams. A little bigger bump on the west coast, but hockey is an east coast sport.

These ratings would be the same if it was New York Rangers/Detroit Red Wings, only different cities would be higher than others. Atlantic City(Rangers) versus Indiana(Hawks) for example.

It's all about who's playing and how big their following is, and how big their cities following is. If there's different big teams playing in the Final every year, then more cities would be watching and a better chance of getting actual new hockey fans. It's a slow process though. If the big American teams or even Leafs/Canadiens are not in the Finals consistently, then the NHL and NHLPA's projected revenue increases will not happen. Which will be a blackeye for the NHLPA who is banking on higher revenues to pay for their lost salary.
If big market, original six teams, or exciting teams (Pittsburgh) are not in the finals, the rating will stink.
If they are in then we will see continued growth.

We can also agree that New York is a great hockey town and if they had a five year run like Boston or Chicago they too would experience huge ratings and further boost NHL growth.

Recall Chicago in 2010 had alright ratings but this year, they are much higher. Good teams=ratings boost.

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06-19-2013, 11:33 AM
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Can we all agree that the solid out of town ratings for this final is because of the Chicago/Boston factor? Transplant fans, or even people who are fans of a city rooting for "their cities" team. eg. Red Sox fan in New York watching the Bruins? Who might not even be from Boston.

When it's LA/New Jersey, nobody really cared because there is no following of these cities or teams. A little bigger bump on the west coast, but hockey is an east coast sport.

These ratings would be the same if it was New York Rangers/Detroit Red Wings, only different cities would be higher than others. Atlantic City(Rangers) versus Indiana(Hawks) for example.

It's all about who's playing and how big their following is, and how big their cities following is. If there's different big teams playing in the Final every year, then more cities would be watching and a better chance of getting actual new hockey fans. It's a slow process though. If the big American teams or even Leafs/Canadiens are not in the Finals consistently, then the NHL and NHLPA's projected revenue increases will not happen. Which will be a blackeye for the NHLPA who is banking on higher revenues to pay for their lost salary.
The Final has very little (if any) relation to league revenue. You make it sound like the NHL lives or dies based off 7 games in June.

And the big markets matter so much as far as ratings are concerned in hockey because it is the only major sport that doesn't care about the quality of its product. Casual fans in general hate hockey. And, to be honest, I don't blame them. If I wasn't raised watching this sport, I wouldn't follow it at all. We are entering dead puck era #2, so it's extremely unlikely casual fans are being won over by the product currently on the ice.

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We can also agree that New York is a great hockey town and if they had a five year run like Boston or Chicago they too would experience huge ratings and further boost NHL growth.
The only person who agrees with that statement in this thread is you. New York is far from a "great hockey town". New York will always be able to support a team based on the massive population, but their ratings absolutely stunk. I'm not buying "oh, if we had a run like Chicago" stuff. The Rangers have been a good team forever and the ratings still suck.


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06-19-2013, 12:39 PM
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What is the estimation difference between NBCSN's 80% in homes and ESPN's 100% in terms of households?

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06-19-2013, 01:23 PM
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What is the estimation difference between NBCSN's 80% in homes and ESPN's 100% in terms of households?
I'd say around 20%.

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NBA game did a 14.7 and peaked at 19.8. Hot damn. Game 7 ratings will be legit.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013...ings-game-six/

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In 2012 Nielsen reported 114.2M TV households. It's actually declined by about 1% in the last few years.

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06-19-2013, 02:52 PM
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NBA game did a 14.7 and peaked at 19.8. Hot damn. Game 7 ratings will be legit.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013...ings-game-six/
I read it was only the 4th highest NBA game since ABC got the NBA contract.

It's good, but hardly "hot damn" worthy.

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06-19-2013, 03:31 PM
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wasn't this supposed to be the year that the NHL reached par with NBA finals ratings?

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wasn't this supposed to be the year that the NHL reached par with NBA finals ratings?
Anyone who thought that was delusional. The NHL is making nice gains, but it's still too regional to compete with the NBA, nationally anyway.

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wasn't this supposed to be the year that the NHL reached par with NBA finals ratings?
I think it'd give a memphis-indiana final a run for its money.

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I think it'd give a memphis-indiana final a run for its money.

Nope.

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Nope.
Assuming the SCF goes 7, I think you can expect the series to average around 8 million on NBC.

Now, san antonio-new jersey averaged just under 10 million over 6 games in 2003, and thats 2 major media markets involved. memphis indiana are both tiny media markets and have no superstars.

I think the NBA still takes it, but its closer than your [mod] "Nope" would seem to imply.


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Stanley Cup Final Update (via @stevelepore, @billbriouxTV, @NBCSportsPR)

Game 1: 2.46 M on CBC + 6.358M on NBC = 8.818M viewers
Game 2: 2.724M on CBC + 3.964M on NBCSN = 6.688M viewers
Game 3: 2.536M on CBC + 4.001M on NBCSN = 6.537M viewers


Does not include American viewers of CBC or Canadian viewers of NBC. (NBCSN not on Canadian TV)

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NBCSN is 220 for me while ESPN is 206.

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Why NBC, NHL shut out by potential viewers by airing Stanley Cup Final games on NBC Sports Network -

See more at: http://www.shermanreport.com/is-nhl-....fxBS6ZtH.dpuf

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Stanley Cup Final Update (via @stevelepore, @billbriouxTV, @NBCSportsPR)

Game 1: 2.46 M on CBC + 6.358M on NBC = 8.818M viewers
Game 2: 2.724M on CBC + 3.964M on NBCSN = 6.688M viewers
Game 3: 2.536M on CBC + 4.001M on NBCSN = 6.537M viewers


Does not include American viewers of CBC or Canadian viewers of NBC. (NBCSN not on Canadian TV)
There would be about a half million viewers or less on RDS for each game but no info is out there.

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What? You serious?
I thought somebody told me that Milwaukee and Wisconsin do not and will not ever root for Chicago in any sport.
Many refuse to, like me. Many do however. I'm watching and rooting for Boston but I'm in the minority.

Only part of Kenosha County is in the Milwaukee TV market.


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06-19-2013, 07:05 PM
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[QUOTE=Tough Guy;67685385]The Final has very little (if any) relation to league revenue. You make it sound like the NHL lives or dies based off 7 games in June.[QUOTE]

And you make it seem like there's no path to the Final. Could be a 100 million difference in a Bruins/Hawks final and a Stars/Devils final. That's an entire teams yearly revenue.

eg. 24 Hawks home games + Bruins home games vs. 24 Devils home games + Stars home games.

Plus higher tv ratings equals way more ad revenue which has been the biggest difference in NHL today versus 7 years ago.

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Plus higher tv ratings equals way more ad revenue which has been the biggest difference in NHL today versus 7 years ago.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the NHL gets any ad revenue, that all goes to NBC.

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Speaking for the New York market, I know a lot of people here, including myself, don't get NBCSN. Heard it's one of the lowest percentages of people who have it in the country.

That being said, most of the other big cities will get behind whichever of the NBA or NHL team is doing better, Boston and Chicago being perfect examples. However, New York is much more slanted towards basketball than hockey. Granted if the Rangers made a deep run, things would pick up a little bit, but they have been good for years while the Knicks just won their first playoff series in forever this year, yet the Knicks are much, much more popular. It's kinda similar to LA - people will jump on the bandwagon, but for whatever reason hockey is not viewed as "equal" to the other main sports, and it pisses me off.

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Speaking for the New York market, I know a lot of people here, including myself, don't get NBCSN. Heard it's one of the lowest percentages of people who have it in the country.

That being said, most of the other big cities will get behind whichever of the NBA or NHL team is doing better, Boston and Chicago being perfect examples. However, New York is much more slanted towards basketball than hockey. Granted if the Rangers made a deep run, things would pick up a little bit, but they have been good for years while the Knicks just won their first playoff series in forever this year, yet the Knicks are much, much more popular. It's kinda similar to LA - people will jump on the bandwagon, but for whatever reason hockey is not viewed as "equal" to the other main sports, and it pisses me off.
Demographics,demographics and demographics

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