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06-19-2013, 08:41 AM
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Bernier will be a Philadelphia Flyer, there is no point in discussing him coming to the Leafs. Dean Lombardi loves Philly players, just look at his acquisitions of Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.

Paul Holmgren could potentially give up Matt Read for Bernier for all we know, as Philly would be looking hard for a goaltender after buying out Bryzgalov.

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If he's better than Reimer, get him, never fall in love with any player that contributes to your team being a marginal playoff team. Come to think of it if he's an upgrade to Scrivens, get him, Reimer has a history of injuries so a 1A-1B might be ideal.
We have some interesting tending in the AHL, I will say this much, it's one of those freak years and I would hate and love to be the management. It's such a dynamic year full of opportunity and potential pitfalls. I would need a team with me to figure out where we go this year. It's just like that, your guesses are as good as mine.

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Apparently according to the Sportsnet panel it would cost us our 1st round pick 21st overall to acquire him.
You could ask three monkeys chucking feces at each other the same question and get a more intelligent response most of the time.

The most I'd give up would be Frattin + mid pick/2nd tier prospect.

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06-19-2013, 08:44 AM
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I don't see the point of dropping large assets on a guy who will spend atleast half the games on the bench.

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i'd rather go after a veterin backup..tim thomas..ray emery
I'd trade for Bernier, take a flyer on Thomas, Theodore, or Ellis as a vet backup, and trade Reimer for a 1st+ or top end prospect + pick package.

I would imagine the return on Reimer would be better than the cost to acquire Bernier.
So, in essence we can get a goalie who can catch a puck, and control his rebounds, and make a profit.

Young, and unproven, yes, but, has a similar history as Cam Ward, and can be worth the gamble.

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I don't see the point of dropping large assets on a guy who will spend atleast half the games on the bench.
and for a lateral move...don't see this happening

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I'd trade for Bernier, take a flyer on Thomas, Theodore, or Ellis as a vet backup, and trade Reimer for a 1st+ or top end prospect + pick package.

I would imagine the return on Reimer would be better than the cost to acquire Bernier.
So, in essence we can get a goalie who can catch a puck, and control his rebounds, and make a profit.

Young, and unproven, yes, but, has a similar history as Cam Ward, and can be worth the gamble.
i agree with you here, if we trade for bernier, the only thing that would make sense is to trade reimer

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I know it's a small sample size, but, Reimer is now more proven than Bernier!

I'd save the assets it would take to get Bernier and sign a veteran UFA goalie for nothing but cash!

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Makes no sense. Kyppy just name checked TO so more people would retweet it.

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yea, but, they have never been right about anything.
Kypreos is legit, he does a lot better job of actually being an insider than Dreger and Mac.

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Bernier will be a Philadelphia Flyer, there is no point in discussing him coming to the Leafs. Dean Lombardi loves Philly players, just look at his acquisitions of Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.

Paul Holmgren could potentially give up Matt Read for Bernier for all we know, as Philly would be looking hard for a goaltender after buying out Bryzgalov.
Good, let Holmgren waste assets on an unproven goalie!

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Apparently according to the Sportsnet panel it would cost us our 1st round pick 21st overall to acquire him.
Woah, how about no?

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Is Bernier really an upgrade from Reimer? Lets look at the stats from the past 4 seasons in the NHL:

Bernier: GP: 58 GA: 120 GAA: 2.07 W: 28 L: 17 T: 6 SVs: 1315 SV%: .916
Reimer: GP: 104 GA: 263 GAA: 2.52 W: 53 L: 32 T: 14 SVs: 2840 SV%: .915

There are a couple of points to be made from the numbers. Both goalies have a nearly identical winning percentage at 62/63% and both have nearly identical save percentages. Where Reimer has the advantage is in saves per game, making nearly 5 more saves per game than Bernier, and body of work, with Reimer having nearly double the amount of work in 3 seasons versus 4 seasons in the NHL with Bernier.

Reimer is really the proven goalie, Bernier is not. You might also point out that a significant intangible in that the Leafs before this season, were not defensively close in talent to the Kings, giving up more shots per game, and Reimer survived that.

I would say the edge really does go to Reimer, and Bernier is not the upgrade that many people think he is.

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06-19-2013, 09:13 AM
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I absolutely hate when Toronto trades their high draft picks, as it makes my blood boil.

But the thought of a Reimer -- Bernier young tandem in Toronto does seem appealing.

Hopefully if we do get him, its not for our 1st round pick as the rumour suggests. Good teams are built from the goalie out so this could be a foundational move for Nonis.

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If the price is Frattin, I'd certainly hope Nonis pulls the trigger.

Having 2 good young goalies that can push each other would be fantastic for us. Add the fact tht both can be controlled via RFA, it's a pretty bulletproof situation.

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Leafs have a solid goalie in Reimer.
They would be wise to acquire an established goalie to back him up, not a young challenger for his job necessarily.
Either keep BS as the back-up (He is older than Reimer) and play Reimer 60 games, or go get an experienced guy Nabakov, Khabibulin, Emery as a safety net.

Anton Khudobin.933 career save % might be a better option as a UFA than Bernier.

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According to Kyper its MLSE boss Tim Leiweke that is linked to LA, and Bernier as someone he likes.

This putting Toronto as a front runner in acquiring him.
So we're ditching Reimer because Leiweke likes Bernier? Yeah, no thanks.

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So we're ditching Reimer because Leiweke likes Bernier? Yeah, no thanks.
How did you connect those dots ?

There is no rumour suggesting Reimer is on his way out, only that Bernier is on his way in.

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Reimer should play 60+ games next year barring injuries.

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Until our goalie can control rebounds and catch the puck, I'm interested in making changes at that position.

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I got ripped on the main board.

But what if the rumblings are; The kings like Frattin - The Flyers like Bernier and the Leafs like Coutourier.

Obviously a bit of tweaking.

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How did you connect those dots ?

There is no rumour suggesting Reimer is on his way out, only that Bernier is on his way in.
Why must it be a bad thing to have 2 good goalies?

People here are way to concerned with hurting Reimers feelings. He's a big boy and a professional. He seems like the kind of person that always views the positive in any situation...

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Until our goalie can control rebounds and catch the puck, I'm interested in making changes at that position.
I think this is the very reason why Bernier is being explored in fact.

The main difference in the Boston series was Rask verses Reimer when it came to the catching hand and rebound control.

Its also no secret that high glove is a known weakness of Reimer as the announcers constantly reference opponents shots targeting that area.

Reimer is a big goalie so he does cover the net well, but blocking the first shot and rebound control back into traffic is something that does occur, particularly if combined with not catching pucks cleanly.

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Jeff Blair made a good point this morning in that teams like to float Toronto's name to generate media buzz and drive up the asking prices for players on the trading block. Take everything you hear concerning the Leafs with a huge grain of salt.

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I absolutely hate when Toronto trades their high draft picks, as it makes my blood boil.

But the thought of a Reimer -- Bernier young tandem in Toronto does seem appealing.

Hopefully if we do get him, its not for our 1st round pick as the rumour suggests. Good teams are built from the goalie out so this could be a foundational move for Nonis.
Agreed, a Reimer/Bernier young tandem would be excellent. Both are young and still have work/proving to do but that is very appealing.

I would prefer not to move the 21st for him, but honestly I would consider it. I'm open to taking Fucale at #21, and I would rather have Bernier than Fucale I think (as Bernier is good now and will be good in the future). Our goaltending depth behind Reimer is rather weak.

I can definitely see both sides of the argument though. Reimer played very well last year so Bernier is not a pressing need, but having two goalies of that caliber would be awesome. Gives us some cushion in case of injuries or if one of them ends up busting.

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