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06-17-2013, 03:34 PM
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Bill weighs in on the goaltender options.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...tions/45/52157

During the Emery section-- he's right... and the Flyers had a goaltender who could move laterally quickly and was athletic. Bob. (I was okay with trading him because he was stuck behind Bryz before amnesty was around-- still hurts, however).
It hurts but the guy wanted out and management accommodated him with that wish. We still got good value at the time of the trade.

You can blame them for going with Bryz over him but you can't blame them for granting the guy his wish.

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It hurts but the guy wanted out and management accommodated him with that wish. We still got good value at the time of the trade.

You can blame them for going with Bryz over him but you can't blame them for granting the guy his wish.
The trade was essentially a forgone conclusion once they signed Bryz.

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Great post today..posted an excerpt in the rumors thread. The Flyers (Holmgren and Snider) need to practice patience!

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...llier/45/52189

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Great post today..posted an excerpt in the rumors thread. The Flyers (Holmgren and Snider) need to practice patience!

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...llier/45/52189
Melzer's perspective among his beat-writer colleagues is like a bottle of Perrier floating in a bayou.

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Melzer's perspective among his beat-writer colleagues is like a bottle of Perrier floating in a bayou.
Agreed... but maybe a sewage lagoon instead of a bayou?

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Bernier and the draft.

Edit: Thanks SS.

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You posted the link wrong.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...3#.UcnHg_lwdjQ

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06-25-2013, 11:50 AM
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That's pretty cool. Meltzer took a point that I made in my Draft Preview article and expanded upon it.

I don't know if he did it directly, but still.

Even though I had the Flyers selecting Ristolainen, there's a lot working against that in the Flyers' draft history.

The Flyers do not necessarily shy away from Europeans so much as they shy away from Europeans playing in European leagues at the time of the draft. This trend is also fairly evident early in the draft.

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That's pretty cool. Meltzer took a point that I made in my Draft Preview article and expanded upon it.

I don't know if he did it directly, but still.

Even though I had the Flyers selecting Ristolainen, there's a lot working against that in the Flyers' draft history.

The Flyers do not necessarily shy away from Europeans so much as they shy away from Europeans playing in European leagues at the time of the draft. This trend is also fairly evident early in the draft.
I can't believe Meltzer of all people went back ten years to try and show a pattern in the Flyers draft. According to many on here, it means nothing.

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I can't believe Meltzer of all people went back ten years to try and show a pattern in the Flyers draft. According to many on here, it means nothing.
It not so much trying to show a pattern, but instead it's trying to show what the Flyers shy away from.

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It not so much trying to show a pattern, but instead it's trying to show what the Flyers shy away from.
Agreed. Like defensemen.

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Bill talks drafting in general, defensemen drafting, and talks about Bryz, Winter, and the agent's claims against the Flyers.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...-Hits/45/52343

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I really hope they don't pick fucale. Not because I don't think he's good, but because the only reason he's projected to be a 1st rounder is because he's the best goaltender in the draft, but this a pretty weak class for goaltenders. Plus, they take a while to develop and I have to ask the question: is he really any better than Stolarz at this point? We might as well just let him develop instead of taking a guy with a high pick who won't be ready for longer than Stolarz most likely. We have more pressing needs. I think fucale is a good prospect, but I'd be pretty bummed if we picked him at 11.

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I would be livid.

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I really hope they don't pick fucale. Not because I don't think he's good, but because the only reason he's projected to be a 1st rounder is because he's the best goaltender in the draft, but this a pretty weak class for goaltenders. Plus, they take a while to develop and I have to ask the question: is he really any better than Stolarz at this point? We might as well just let him develop instead of taking a guy with a high pick who won't be ready for longer than Stolarz most likely. We have more pressing needs. I think fucale is a good prospect, but I'd be pretty bummed if we picked him at 11.
He's better than Stolarz for sure. The kid is REALLY good and he might not be that far away either.

So many things to fret about until Sunday.

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06-28-2013, 11:21 AM
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Bill talks drafting in general, defensemen drafting, and talks about Bryz, Winter, and the agent's claims against the Flyers.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...-Hits/45/52343
good article. many things that a lot of us have been saying for years about lack of patience and Holmgren finally admitted it.

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good article. many things that a lot of us have been saying for years about lack of patience and Holmgren finally admitted it.
It sounds like Holmgren has been reading the Flyers' boards lately...

-We said Bryzgalov was a mistake.
----He fixed it.
-We said we desperately needed PMDs.
----He got the best on the market cost effectively.
-We said we needed to be patient with our forwards.
----He's pretty much kept them untouchable so far. Hopefully that sticks.
-We said we needed defense in the draft but trust the Flyers to draft a forward.
----He certainly seems to be looking at the blueline first but has forwards as a fallback.
-We said we needed cheap goaltending on short-term contracts.
----He's not going after another Bryzgalov-esque contract; only younger, cheap guys or short-term vets.
-We said there was a risk that Read would price himself out of Philly.
----We seem to be cautiously shopping Read.


The rest of my checklist:
-Don't trade Coburn. See how this defense is when healthy before panicking.
-Don't squander Couturier's offense. Get him something at least slightly better than what he's had.
-Talbot is not a 3rd liner, nor a center.

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It sounds like Holmgren has been reading the Flyers' boards lately...

-We said Bryzgalov was a mistake.
----He fixed it.
-We said we desperately needed PMDs.
----He got the best on the market cost effectively.
-We said we needed to be patient with our forwards.
----He's pretty much kept them untouchable so far. Hopefully that sticks.
-We said we needed defense in the draft but trust the Flyers to draft a forward.
----He certainly seems to be looking at the blueline first but has forwards as a fallback.
-We said we needed cheap goaltending on short-term contracts.
----He's not going after another Bryzgalov-esque contract; only younger, cheap guys or short-term vets.
-We said there was a risk that Read would price himself out of Philly.
----We seem to be cautiously shopping Read.


The rest of my checklist:
-Don't trade Coburn. See how this defense is when healthy before panicking.
-Don't squander Couturier's offense. Get him something at least slightly better than what he's had.
-Talbot is not a 3rd liner, nor a center.
Pretty much agreed on all counts. I like talbot and what he brings, but he belongs on the 4th line, and on the wing, not the center. We need a 4th line faceoff specialist desperately. Adam Hall is ok, but we can probably do better.

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I feel like he did overpay a little bit for Streit. It would have been nice to get him for 3 years/$16 million, whch still would have been $1.75 million more than the Islanders offered.

Or if the 4th year was a deal breaker then make it an even $20 million and just frontload the cash as much as possible. Something like 7 + 6 + 4 +3.

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Pretty much agreed on all counts. I like talbot and what he brings, but he belongs on the 4th line, and on the wing, not the center. We need a 4th line faceoff specialist desperately. Adam Hall is ok, but we can probably do better.
I would try to trade Talbot + Meszaros to someone for a 2nd round pick. Or Two of Calgary's first rounders. LOL!

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It sounds like Holmgren has been reading the Flyers' boards lately...

-We said Bryzgalov was a mistake.
----He fixed it.
-We said we desperately needed PMDs.
----He got the best on the market cost effectively.
-We said we needed to be patient with our forwards.
----He's pretty much kept them untouchable so far. Hopefully that sticks.
-We said we needed defense in the draft but trust the Flyers to draft a forward.
----He certainly seems to be looking at the blueline first but has forwards as a fallback.
-We said we needed cheap goaltending on short-term contracts.
----He's not going after another Bryzgalov-esque contract; only younger, cheap guys or short-term vets.
-We said there was a risk that Read would price himself out of Philly.
----We seem to be cautiously shopping Read.


The rest of my checklist:
-Don't trade Coburn. See how this defense is when healthy before panicking.
-Don't squander Couturier's offense. Get him something at least slightly better than what he's had.
-Talbot is not a 3rd liner, nor a center.
Great post Chris. I concur.

Bill Meltzer is the Best Flyers writer and deserves at least his own appreciation thread! I approve this thread!!

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So is Talbot an enforcer then?

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So is Talbot an enforcer then?
He's a defensively sound forward on the 4th line, and he's a PKer. Nothing more; nothing less.

He's the guy that we wish was Laperriere.

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Good read up on Schenn and Reader.

Bill thinks that Read will get close to 3 million on his next cap hit, I actually IMO think it is slightly low. I was thinking around 3.5

He also mentions Schenn on a bridge deal as well at 2.5 for two years or 3 for 3 years. I think those numbers are pretty spot on from what we just saw Couts sign for.

EDIT: If Schenn does sign for 2.5 millio per year on a 2 year deal and Read for 3 million per year on a three year deal, we would have around 5 million to operate under this cap number next year. With the cap supposedly going up close to 70 million(I will use 69.4 because it is an even 5 million) to make the lineup

Hartnell(4.75)-Giroux(8.275)-Voracek(4.25)(just want to reiterate how much I love this deal) Total-17.275
Schenn(2.5)-Vinny(4.5)-Simmonds(3.975)Total-10.975
Talbot(1.75)Couts(1.75)-Read(3)-Total-6.5
Rinaldo(750K)-Laughton(1.106)-xxx(4th liner)-Total-2.531(Includes Rosehill)
Rosehill(675K)

Defense

Coburn(4.5)-Streit(5.25)-
Schenn(3.6)-Grossmann(3.5)
Pronger(4.9)-Gus(xxxx)
Lars(600K)

Total-22.35

Total hit-59.631

If it does go up to 69.5 million, we would have 10 million(with Pronger) to work with. I think next year we could see some movement. Either Coburn or Hartnell would be my best bests to move(would say Hartnell maybe first, especially next year) to make some room. I know Edmonton would be interested in both players, they need top 4 and also much needed grit in their top 6.

It will be an interesting summer if we do get Read and Schenner signed for those amounts. We would still need 2 goalies, two top 6 defenders(one more if Coburn is moved) and a 4th liner(easiest and cheapest to find.) Lots of work would go into that offseason I think.


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