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06-19-2013, 11:21 AM
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Better be knocking on a lot of wood, man.
He doesnt play hard enough to take a beating. sure anything can happen and there is SOME risk, but not as much as some make it out to be

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I am going to make a prediction. Sather works his way up to a top 60 pick.

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3 third rounders though.

A brief look at their third round draft pick history has to get you excited.

2011 Entry 72 3 Steven Fogarty
2009 Entry 80 3 Ryan Bourque
2008 Entry 75 3 Evgeny Grachev
2008 Entry 90 3 Tomas Kundratek
2006 Entry 84 3 Ryan Hillier
2005 Entry 66 3 Brodie Dupont
2005 Entry 77 3 Dalyn Flatt
2004 Entry 73 3 Zdenek Bahensky
2004 Entry 80 3 Billy Ryan
2003 Entry 75 3 Kenny Roche
2002 Entry 81 3 Marcus Jonasen
2001 Entry 79 3 Garth Murray
Some of them still have potential though, brah.

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06-19-2013, 11:23 AM
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He doesnt play hard enough to take a beating. sure anything can happen and there is SOME risk, but not as much as some make it out to be
Kaleta showed him you don't need to play hard to take a beating.

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Remember how high some fans were on Grachev?

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Some of them still have potential though, brah.
The only one that I see that can maybe get close/in the NHL is Bourque. I don't know what happened to Grachev.

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06-19-2013, 11:25 AM
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Kaleta showed him you don't need to play hard to take a beating.
and he only missed a few days.. Hes alot tougher than given credit for. its a risk, buy him out dont whatever but then we open another hole and who is signing for 3c money? Miller is better on the wing

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06-19-2013, 11:27 AM
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Same here. I think the screws will be put to McDonagh and Stepan.

McDonagh hasn't flashed enough of an offensive game to get $5M+, and Stepan played like a $5M+ centerman for about 30 games. Not enough to break the bank for these guys with a massive longterm commitment. I think $4M per for each of them sounds about right.
Slats handles rfa's as well as any GM in the league. I don't see him caving into any demands if they get out of hand. Dubinsky and Zherdev tried that nonsense. Coincidence they're both gone?

I recall a plethora of posters here assuming 5M+ on Staal's last contract. Different circumstances than McDonagh, but still. As silly as it sounds, I wonder if Ryan's PP minutes were sheltered for a reason.

I think both Ryan and Derek will get somewhere in the 3.5-4M range. I don't see a long term, 5M+ contract for either one of them. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but Slats track record would suggest less money and years than a lot of the numbers being projected in this thread.

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Well, the decision is whether it will be this year or next year. And I think you're mistaken, it's very much a hockey decision. As I showed, you can sign both Stepan and McDonagh to long term contracts and be fine, even with Richards next year. I don't think management is considering the buyout of Richards this year as foregone a conclusion as many here seem to believe.
You're absolutely insane if you don't think management is considering the buyout. Richards has already leaked the possibility publicly. You think that was accidental? How often do you hear a signed player comment on where he might like to play next year if he is amnestied?

Hasn't produced. Albatross contract. Has regressed tremendously. Even if he needs minor surgery next summer, we're ****ed.

Helen Keller would be able to see the writing on the wall. It's that obvious.

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no its not, because they can buy him out next year as well.. Now the question is what would the Rangers do if Richards returns to form this year going into next off season? That becomes a hockey decision. If you don't need the space, you can't buy him out on the VERY SLIM OFF CHANCE he gets innjured enough he cant be bought out. Also, who knows what he can do with a more offensive minded coach.
You're both incorrect. It is 100% is a financial decision. Not a hockey decision. I don't understand why it's so difficult to look past 1 season. The risk is nowhere near worth the reward.

Is Richards leading us to a cup next year?

Even if he comes in as a #1, and produces at a PPG clip, the long-term risk is far too devastating to consider.

And in case some of you guys are forgetting, this is a very physical game. Richards has lost his legs. His body is breaking down. You want to risk ****ing our organization for years and years, because Richards might play better?

Richards would be getting amnestied this summer even if he didn't have an abysmal year.

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Good Insider Trading on tsn.ca today, talked about Lundqvist and Richards whom McKenzie doesn't think get's bought out.

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Remember how high some fans were on Grachev?
I remember when he got traded.

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Alex Bourret, too.

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and he only missed a few days.. Hes alot tougher than given credit for. its a risk, buy him out dont whatever but then we open another hole and who is signing for 3c money? Miller is better on the wing
An inch to the side and he could have missed the rest of his career. The point is it's a risk, but I still think management is considering keeping him for next year.

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It's gonna be a wild couple days leading up to the draft and free agency, that's for sure.

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You're absolutely insane if you don't think management is considering the buyout. Richards has already leaked the possibility publicly. You think that was accidental? How often do you hear a signed player comment on where he might like to play next year if he is amnestied?
You completely misread what I said. I never said I "don't think management is considering the buyout." My words were "I don't think management is considering the buyout of Richards this year as foregone a conclusion as many here seem to believe" which is to say, I think there's a chance he doesn't get bought out.

Even Brooks mentioned it a while back:

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The change in coaching administrations could alter the Rangers’ decision regarding Brad Richards, who still is far more likely to be an amnesty buyout later this month than a candidate for the club’s first-line center slot when camp convenes in September, but who sure has a better shot at Broadway redemption than he did before coach John Tortorella was dismissed on Wednesday.

Not only would tension abate with the hiring of a new boss who most certainly won’t be like the old boss, the next coach all but certainly will be given input into the alternate captain’s immediate future. If it is at all possible, management and ownership would rather defer the decision on a buyout for a year instead of simply sending Richards away after two seasons — and what would amount to more than $44 million of the Garden’s money — of a nine-year deal that won’t expire until after the 2020-21 season.
I'm not saying I think it's a good idea to keep him or that I actually think they will. I'm saying it's silly to just assume they WILL buy out him when there's a very real possibility they will keep him for next year.

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Hagelin (Lindberg/Miller/Boyle) Callahan could potentially be the best 3rd line in the game. It is unfortunate though there is nobody to fill in their spots in the top 6 to make this possible.
Any time you slot bona fide second liners on the third line, it's a win. Maybe we can acquire a #1 and #1RW so we can slot Stepan and Nash down to the second line.

And Miller/Lindberg haven't done ****. Not sure how you can have the 'best' 3rd line in the league when the most important position on the ice is a giant maybe.

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You're both incorrect. It is 100% is a financial decision. Not a hockey decision. I don't understand why it's so difficult to look past 1 season. The risk is nowhere near worth the reward.

Is Richards leading us to a cup next year?

Even if he comes in as a #1, and produces at a PPG clip, the long-term risk is far too devastating to consider.

And in case some of you guys are forgetting, this is a very physical game. Richards has lost his legs. His body is breaking down. You want to risk ****ing our organization for years and years, because Richards might play better?

Richards would be getting amnestied this summer even if he didn't have an abysmal year.
Henrik Lundqvist would def disagree with this. If he was a ppg player, the Rangers are a favorite lol

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I'm saying it's silly to just assume they WILL buy out him when there's a very real possibility they will keep him for next year.
Richards played his last game as a NYR on May 21st.

His benching came for a reason. 1 point in 10 playoff games. -3. Sub .500 on faceoffs.

There is zero possibility that Richards is here next season. Zero.

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I would be extremely cautious with Callahan's next contract.

The vast majority of his offense comes on the power play (He might be our best forward on the pp). That has to be a consideration.
Say what?

Callahan career regular season stats:
229 points - 165 at ES, 64 on PP
121 goals - 81 at ES, 40 on PP
108 assists - 84 at ES, 24 on PP

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Henrik Lundqvist would def disagree with this. If he was a ppg player, the Rangers are a favorite lol
I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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I don't think you know what you're talking about.
right a hypothetical #1 center pushing stepan down to the 2 spot pushing brassard to 3c doesnt make us a favorite with our D and Hank. We werent favs last year BECAUSE Richards was horrible. Do u hate Richards or something?

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Richards played his last game as a NYR on May 21st.

His benching came for a reason. 1 point in 10 playoff games. -3. Sub .500 on faceoffs.

There is zero possibility that Richards is here next season. Zero.
I just think that kind of thinking is mistaken when it comes to this organization.

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Say what?

Callahan career regular season stats:
229 points - 165 at ES, 64 on PP
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108 assists - 84 at ES, 24 on PP

Last 3 seasons:
133 points - 93 at ES, 40 on PP
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Well, look at his goals. They're often equal in PP and ES and that's pretty ridiculous considering how much ES time he gets.

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Good Insider Trading on tsn.ca today, talked about Lundqvist and Richards whom McKenzie doesn't think get's bought out.
hey listen I will support BRich if he stays, heck if he can get back into form they have real good C depth. Its just such a risk

one poster put it right by saying its like saying we are not going to fire you yet. I mean does he not have to get bought out next yr ? Its a risk if he gets another concussion. At the same time he will have some motivation to do well.

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Richards played his last game as a NYR on May 21st.

His benching came for a reason. 1 point in 10 playoff games. -3. Sub .500 on faceoffs.

There is zero possibility that Richards is here next season. Zero.
richards is gonna be back next year

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I just think that kind of thinking is mistaken when it comes to this organization.
We will see how many players want to play for the Rangers with this kind of treatment.

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And when it came to faceoffs, Brassard was at 50% and all of our other centers were sub 50%. The Bruins crushed us in the dot, they're very good there.

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