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06-19-2013, 12:53 PM
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I think this might work for both teams......

Sean Couturier for Kevin Shattenkirk

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06-19-2013, 12:54 PM
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I don't see it.

Couturier needs to prove himself a little more, and Shattenkirk is a crucial part of the blues D.

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Where my Blues fans at?

*Prepares for the onslaught*

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if I am philly I do it easily

St. Louis might want a bit added on though

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Couturier and the 11th overall for Shattenkirk. Its an overpayment, regardless of if Couturier is a fit or not. Shatty is one of my favorite players so I think a lot of Flyers fans wouldnt like that deal.

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if I am philly I do it easily

St. Louis might want a bit added on though
It's not a matter of a needed addition, it's a whole shakeup. Blues don't want any part of Couturier, nor should any other team based on his early lack of production and the value he is bringing.

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This is totally, like 100%, without a shadow of doubt, just absolutely exactly what we've been looking for.

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I'd rather send an offer sheet.

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06-19-2013, 01:04 PM
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The Blues have no desire to mess with the defense they built. We have zero interest in this deal at all.

I am not going to trade a defenceman who has two 43 point seasons in his short NHL career for someone that is currently a 3rd line center. Yes Couturier has potential to be better but so does Shattenkirk and has shown it in the NHL. Once Couturier has scored over 40 points in the NHL it might make sense until then no.

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06-19-2013, 01:04 PM
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I'd rather send an offer sheet.
With what money that the Blues couldn't match?

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I like Sean Couturier, but couldn't do it straight up. I believe he has a high ceiling, but we have too many players that we are counting on "breaking out" as it is. I love our core but can someone please put the puck in the net more....

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I'd rather send an offer sheet.
You are aware there has been a grand total of one offer sheet that wasn't matched in the past fifteen years, right?

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I don't think the Flyers would make this trade right now. They should certainly re-visit it next off-season. Right now, we have Timonen, Streit, Coburn, Meszaros, Schenn, Grossmann, Gustafsson all ready to play as regulars. We will probably trade one of Meszaros or Coburn (more likely, Meszaros), but nonetheless we do not need Shattenkirk this year. Once Timonen retires, we will have more room and a greater need for Shattenkirk.

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You are aware there has been a grand total of one offer sheet that wasn't matched in the past fifteen years, right?
Have you seen the contracts Holmgren gives? St Louis needs to give new contracts to Shattenkirk, Pietrangelo and Stewart.

The Blues have an internal cap and can't afford all of the players if one gets a stupid offer sheet.

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Have you seen the contracts Holmgren gives? St Louis needs to give new contracts to Shattenkirk, Pietrangelo and Stewart.

The Blues have an internal cap and can't afford all of the players if one gets a stupid offer sheet.
And you know more about the finances than the Blues' own GM right? We won't have a problem getting everyone re-signed. I'm going to laugh when we get Pietrangelo signed before July 5.

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Straight up would be tough now that Streit was brought in cap-wise. Value favors Philly tho IMO. No from St. Louis

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Couturier and the 11th overall for Shattenkirk. Its an overpayment, regardless of if Couturier is a fit or not. Shatty is one of my favorite players so I think a lot of Flyers fans wouldnt like that deal.
Not a friggin' chance. Couturier is going to end up being a better player than Shattenkirk, who is good but not that good. Pass on trading Couts. Period.

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Have you seen the contracts Holmgren gives? St Louis needs to give new contracts to Shattenkirk, Pietrangelo and Stewart.

The Blues have an internal cap and can't afford all of the players if one gets a stupid offer sheet.
Just like there was no way that Nashville could match the Weber contract?
Or like San Jose signing Hjalmarsson to a $3.5M deal would keep Chicago from matching given that they still had so many other pieces to sign?

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It's not a matter of a needed addition, it's a whole shakeup. Blues don't want any part of Couturier, nor should any other team based on his early lack of production and the value he is bringing.
That's rediculous!!! If you said St.L needs a #1-2 C that TODAY is an upgrade to Berglund, then sure, Couts isn't that. To say no team SHOULD want any part of him is crazy. Just look at Jaden Schwartz:
He was drafted a year before Couts
He was #15 overall....Couts #8
1 year experience in NHL....Couts 2
This year NHL points...13....Couts 15
This year AHL points...19....Couts 28

I guess you think Schwartz has no value as well?

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06-19-2013, 01:33 PM
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Just like there was no way that Nashville could match the Weber contract?
Or like San Jose signing Hjalmarsson to a $3.5M deal would keep Chicago from matching given that they still had so many other pieces to sign?
I still can't believe Nashville payed one player $27 million in one year.

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We are not willing to break up our defense that we just finally put in place at the trade deadline makes us overvalue our players? We have specific needs if we are not addresses these needs makes us overvalue our players?

We are fine trading our players if we are filling a need upgrading our NHL roster. Most of the time the offers don't fill a single need for us. Come on use some common sense.
And as a Flyers fan, I agree with this. St.L has no reason to do this deal. They didn't trade for J-Bo, to then trade Shatty. Besides, this deal has been done to death already.

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06-19-2013, 01:36 PM
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That's rediculous!!! If you said St.L needs a #1-2 C that TODAY is an upgrade to Berglund, then sure, Couts isn't that. To say no team SHOULD want any part of him is crazy. Just look at Jaden Schwartz:
He was drafted a year before Couts
He was #15 overall....Couts #8
1 year experience in NHL....Couts 2
This year NHL points...13....Couts 15
This year AHL points...19....Couts 28

I guess you think Schwartz has no value as well?
I don't know if this is what he meant but if I ever said I don't have interest in Couturier it would more or less mean because I don't want to give up what philly would want for him.

Of course I would take him for free I would give up a prospect like Rattie, Jaskin and a 2nd ect. I just would never give up what Philly would want to get him. If we had a 1st this year I would give up a 1st plus as well but none of those things would convince Philly to move him. For the players it would take to get him from Philly I have no interest in him is what I hope he means. Honestly I think the only two players Philly would want from us in a trade for him is Shattenkirk or Pietrangelo which kills it for the Blues.

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I still can't believe Nashville payed one player $27 million in one year.
for 48 games

in fact...he got almost 1 million dollars per point he got!(28 points this year)

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That's rediculous!!! If you said St.L needs a #1-2 C that TODAY is an upgrade to Berglund, then sure, Couts isn't that. To say no team SHOULD want any part of him is crazy. Just look at Jaden Schwartz:
He was drafted a year before Couts
He was #15 overall....Couts #8
1 year experience in NHL....Couts 2
This year NHL points...13....Couts 15
This year AHL points...19....Couts 28

I guess you think Schwartz has no value as well?
Or maybe, just maybe, we are looking for an immediate upgrade and not trading for a player who could *potentially* be an upgrade. And then there are those of us who don't think Couturier's offensive game won't develop like many claim.

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for 48 games

in fact...he got almost 1 million dollars per point he got!(28 points this year)
They end up paying him basically nothing en a few years, so financially it's going to balance out as they will be making more then they spend in those years.

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