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06-19-2013, 01:55 PM
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Florida - Colorado (pick swap)

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- 1st overall
- Stefan Elliott
- 63rd overall

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- 2nd overall
- Dmitri Kulikov

Is this fair value? If not, what would Panthers fans be looking for to be comfortable with swapping picks + Kuli?

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06-19-2013, 01:59 PM
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So, if Florida gives up Kulikov, are they taking Jones?

If so, Colorado gets Mack and Kulikov for next to nothing.

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06-19-2013, 02:04 PM
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Moving up from 2 to 1 shouldn't be anything too complicated...both teams are getting who they want (presumably).

Wouldn't expect it to be anything more than the #2 plus a prospect/pick.

If you're trying to get the #1 from, say, 5th spot, then it's an entirely different value, since Colorado would be conceding one of those top 4 guys (jones, mack, drouin, barkov).

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Moving up from 2 to 1 shouldn't be anything too complicated...both teams are getting who they want (presumably).

Wouldn't expect it to be anything more than the #2 plus a prospect/pick.

If you're trying to get the #1 from, say, 5th spot, then it's an entirely different value, since Colorado would be conceding one of those top 4 guys (jones, mack, drouin, barkov).
I centered this trade around the Avs' interest in acquiring Kulikov, not just in terms of swapping the picks.

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I can't see Florida giving up anything substantial at all. At 2 they get Jones if the Av's pass and get one of the great forwards if they don't. Or they can still take one of the forwards if they wish and let Jones fall further.

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I think Tallon is just going to let it play out and see if Avs are bluffing, then take Barkov if MacKinnon isn't there anymore.

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Moving up from 2 to 1 shouldn't be anything too complicated...both teams are getting who they want (presumably).

Wouldn't expect it to be anything more than the #2 plus a prospect/pick.

If you're trying to get the #1 from, say, 5th spot, then it's an entirely different value, since Colorado would be conceding one of those top 4 guys (jones, mack, drouin, barkov).
The Avs don't want Jones anymore. They want Mackinnon. If we move from #1 to #2 were not getting exactly who we want(We likely take Barkov at #2 in this case).


It would probably take something like that for the Avs to move down now. And for what its worth, that's not a bad package for Kulikov. Elliott is a very promising OFD.

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No---flipping #2 for #1 should cost minimally for florida with the guarentee they are not taking Jones. Colorado would get Floridas 2nd round or a secondary prospect.

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The Avs don't want Jones anymore. They want Mackinnon. If we move from #1 to #2 were not getting exactly who we want(We likely take Barkov at #2 in this case).


It would probably take something like that for the Avs to move down now. And for what its worth, that's not a bad package for Kulikov. Elliott is a very promising OFD.
At this point, it doesn't appear that FLA moving from #2 to #1 is a possibility. If anything, if Avs take Mack, Fla could potentially drop to 4 and take whoever is left between Drouin, Jones and Barkov. This seems a lot more likely (if Nashville really has its eye set on one of those 3).

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From an Avs fan I would do this although it begs the question...who at #2? Jones? Drouin? Could get interesting.

This would be a solid deal for both teams IMO

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From an Avs fan I would do this although it begs the question...who at #2? Jones? Drouin? Could get interesting.

This would be a solid deal for both teams IMO
The only way Florida trades Kulikov is if they can guarantee they get Jones, which makes this whole proposal pointless...If Avs aren't taking Jones at #1, what purpose does this trade serve for Florida? (I.E. Why is Florida trading up to get Jones when Jones will be available at #2?)

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Out of Shatty/Elliot/Barrie, Elliot has the highest potential and has a decent chance of reaching it.

I'd do everything I could not to add Barrie + Elliot.

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I don't really see the point in Florida doing this unless I'm missing something.

If they move up to 1st, it'll be because they are loaded at D and they want MacKinnon. However, if they're trading up to 1st by trading Kulikov, they lose a big piece of their future defense in Kulikov and still take MacKinnon?

So their choice becomes MacKinnon + Elliott or Jones/Barkov/Droin + Kulikov.

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The only way Florida trades Kulikov is if they can guarantee they get Jones, which makes this whole proposal pointless...If Avs aren't taking Jones at #1, what purpose does this trade serve for Florida? (I.E. Why is Florida trading up to get Jones when Jones will be available at #2?)
this. its almost like logic went out the window ever since Sakic's comments were made public (not that there was a ton of logic on HF prior). if FLA is trading their future #1 dman, they need a #1 dman to replace him, hence Jones. But the basis of this trade is that COL isn't taking Jones. Thus, this trade is pointless for FLA.

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No thanks, Elliott is going to be something special and using him to acquire Kulikov is counter productive imo.

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No thanks, Elliott is going to be something special and using him to acquire Kulikov is counter productive imo.
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No thanks, Elliott is going to be something special and using him to acquire Kulikov is counter productive imo.
I'd thrown Elliott in a kulikov deal pretty easily.

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I'd thrown Elliott in a kulikov deal pretty easily.
He's a decent #2/3 right now, not a sure fire top pairing defender. And unless he absolutely hits that next level, I don't foresee Elliott being much worse in the next couple years. But I've also been a bigger Elliott fan than Barrie and been saying he just needs more time to find his game at the NHL level. His wrist shot is probably the best on our team and his offensive IQ is excellent.

We need to add Kulikov without subtracting Elliott, Barrie or Siemens. As unlikely as it may be once you remove those three from the table, that's the hand we've currently been dealt.

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He's a decent #2/3 right now, not a sure fire top pairing defender. And unless he absolutely hits that next level, I don't foresee Elliott being much worse in the next couple years. But I've also been a bigger Elliott fan than Barrie and been saying he just needs more time to find his game at the NHL level. His wrist shot is probably the best on our team and his offensive IQ is excellent.

We need to add Kulikov without subtracting Elliott, Barrie or Siemens. As unlikely as it may be once you remove those three from the table, that's the hand we've currently been dealt.
We can't have a top four of johnson, Siemens, Barrie,and Elliott. At some point well have to pick between Barrie and Elliott. They're just too similar.

I don't really have an opinion on which we should move.

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Fixed:
Florida
Duchene
Jones

Colorado
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Florida
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Jones

Colorado
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Kulikov
So basically Duchene for Kulikov?

Done!

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- 1st overall
- Stefan Elliott
- 63rd overall

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- 2nd overall
- Dmitri Kulikov

Is this fair value? If not, what would Panthers fans be looking for to be comfortable with swapping picks + Kuli?
I think we'll be fine just to pick where we are if we have give up that.

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If the Avs want Jones, and florida wants Mac, I would guess a 2nd round pick (or similar value). Colorado would just want the extra asset.

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No---flipping #2 for #1 should cost minimally for florida with the guarentee they are not taking Jones. Colorado would get Florida's 2nd round or a secondary prospect.
are you sure they don't want Jones. Maybe they want Tampa and Florida to think to get their forward they have to move up.

Make sense to get a extra pick or out of the process.

I have the feeling the Avs do want Jones but they feel since MacKinnon is generating so much interest get the player you want and an extra pick.

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- 1st overall
- Stefan Elliott
- 63rd overall

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- 2nd overall
- Dmitri Kulikov

Is this fair value? If not, what would Panthers fans be looking for to be comfortable with swapping picks + Kuli?
Avs fan here - I'd do that for sure.


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