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06-19-2013, 01:31 PM
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Letang to Philly would be hysterical.

Talbot, Gustafsson and 11th overall.
yikes, that's probably one of the worst Letang proposals in a while. the only decent piece is 11th overall and it's not enough for the Pens to move one of their best defensemen to their biggest rival. Talbot is overpaid for the role he'd have had on the Pens and Gustafsson is lousy.

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06-19-2013, 01:35 PM
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So build around Letang instead. Maybe the Pens could throw in another D depending on what else the Avs would add.
While Letang is obviously better than EJ by quite a bit do you honestly feel like the Avs would deal away their only defenseman (save from Hejda, but he doesn't fit in the teams long-term plans) who's capable of playing against other teams top lines for a player who's bound to be an UFA next offseason? That's a deal Colorado simply can't afford to make.

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06-19-2013, 01:36 PM
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I wouldnt mind this deal, really like Glencross but pens are going to ask for one of the other 2 first rounders you have.
I'd definitely send Pitt's 1st rounder back to them, assuming the Flames are allowed to talk to Letang beforehand about an extension, and he is willing to put up with a rebuilding team for 2-3 years. He's just 26, so it's not as though he's a vet who needs to go to a contender now.

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06-19-2013, 01:39 PM
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Letang For Yakupov and Shultz and a 1


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06-19-2013, 01:56 PM
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While Letang is obviously better than EJ by quite a bit do you honestly feel like the Avs would deal away their only defenseman (save from Hejda, but he doesn't fit in the teams long-term plans) who's capable of playing against other teams top lines for a player who's bound to be an UFA next offseason? That's a deal Colorado simply can't afford to make.
With all these proposals, I'm going on the assumption that he will re-sign. If he refuses to re-up with his new team I would think all bets are off in this deal.

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06-19-2013, 02:11 PM
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Maybe a slightly more "win-now" trade:

To MTL
Letang

To PIT
Markov
Dias
Kristo
#34

You get a legit PP QB in Markov, another d on a great contract who plays well with Markov on the PP and is solid 5 on 5. Plus a high end prospect in Kristo who might fit well and a high 2nd that could help stock the cupboard up.

Carolina was able to give a lot for Staal because they knew he would sign - to give a lot, you need to know you're going to get Letang long term.

If I'm Montreal, I'm not desperate for Letang, but when I player like him is potentially available, you gotta take a stab.

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06-19-2013, 02:13 PM
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With all these proposals, I'm going on the assumption that he will re-sign. If he refuses to re-up with his new team I would think all bets are off in this deal.
That's why it's so hard to pin-point his value.

But for the sake of this thread lets pretend that Letang agrees to an extension with the Avs and that Stastny is traded for a promising top 4 defenseman.

Would a deal like this interest the Penguins:

-McGinn - a cheap young winger with potential who can play on the line with Crosby, he's a pretty good skater, plays the power game, a beast on the forecheck, decent hands around the net

- top 4 defenseman aquired in the Stastny trade

- your choice of one of Pickard/Aittokallio/Paterson, all are highly promising goalie prospects with potential to turn out as capable NHL goalies

- additional 2014 draft pick with top 10 protection, if the Avs finish below the 10th spot the pick transfers to 2015 and becomes top 5 protected

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06-19-2013, 02:14 PM
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(This assumes Letang re-signs.)

One of 2 options from the :Sharks for Letang

1) Boyle, Nieto, Wingels
2) Our 1st, Wingels and Nieto

Or swap out Nieto or Wingels for Stalock or Sateri (or another goalie prospect)

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06-19-2013, 02:21 PM
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(This assumes Letang re-signs.)

One of 2 options from the :Sharks for Letang

1) Boyle, Nieto, Wingels
2) Our 1st, Wingels and Nieto

Or swap out Nieto or Wingels for Stalock or Sateri (or another goalie prospect)
Stalock is a UFA right now, so the Sharks will need to re-sign him first lol

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06-19-2013, 02:21 PM
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(This assumes Letang re-signs.)

One of 2 options from the :Sharks for Letang

1) Boyle, Nieto, Wingels
2) Our 1st, Wingels and Nieto

Or swap out Nieto or Wingels for Stalock or Sateri (or another goalie prospect)
Probably Boyle, Nieto, Wingels is what they would want. Boyle would be able to replace Letang for a few years to allow their good young Dman a few years to step into a bigger role. Boyle would also be cheaper.

Nieto is a fast top 6 scoring prospect and Wingels is a young 3rd/4th line checking forward.

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06-19-2013, 02:23 PM
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Would Pittsburgh consider a straight 1 for 1 swap for Alex Edler? Letang is likely the better player, but it is certainly close. Letang is no doubt better offensively (although Edler is no slouch either) where as Edler is more physical and is slightly better defensively. The value for Pittsburgh here is more or less in the contract. If Letang is asking for 7mil per year and Pittsburgh can't afford that, Edler is a comparable player at a comparable age signed longterm for 2mil less per season.

The advantage for Vancouver is three fold. First, it helps create a shake-up without sacrificing our defensive depth. Second, we are extremely deep on the left side and weak up the left; this trade would help correct that. And third, we could use a right handed PP QB to help solidify what seems to be a stale PP these past 2 years.

Just a thought, it could work out well for both teams under the right conditions. As a Canuck fan I wouldn't be willing to add much, and I would want to know that we could get Letang locked up before hand.
Actually Letang averages more hits per game over Edler on the past 5 seasons. Just because he is smaller doesn't mean he isn't as physical. If I'm Pens the deal starts at Edler and Gaunce

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06-19-2013, 02:23 PM
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Stalock is a UFA right now, so the Sharks will need to re-sign him first lol
I thought he was RFA. Oh well, they'll sign him.

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06-19-2013, 02:26 PM
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Penguins really wouldn't be able to take on Boyle or Markov's salaries next year.

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06-19-2013, 02:29 PM
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Letang to Philly would be hysterical.

Talbot, Gustafsson and 11th overall.
Whilst we wouldn't even entertain the thought of helping out Philadelphia by giving them a top pairing D man. That deal is horrible.

If we did do a deal with the Flyers which again, we wouldn't, then it'd be something like; 11th Overall, Voracek, Simmonds and Gotsisbhere (sp?)

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06-19-2013, 02:30 PM
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Penguins really wouldn't be able to take on Boyle or Markov's salaries next year.
Any interest in our 1st, Nieto, Wingels?

We could also trade a goalie prospect like Sateri or Stalock

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06-19-2013, 02:31 PM
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Penguins really wouldn't be able to take on Boyle or Markov's salaries next year.
We would have no problem eating some of Boyle's salary next year if needed.

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Any interest in our 1st, Nieto, Wingels?

We could also trade a goalie prospect like Sateri or Stalock
Those don't help the Penguins. They want to win now so losing their best Dman for prospects doesn't help them. Boyle (we keep 2mil) Nieto, and Wingels is much better for them since Boyle could replace what Letang does for a few years and would be cheaper.

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06-19-2013, 02:37 PM
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That's why it's so hard to pin-point his value.

But for the sake of this thread lets pretend that Letang agrees to an extension with the Avs and that Stastny is traded for a promising top 4 defenseman.

Would a deal like this interest the Penguins:

-McGinn - a cheap young winger with potential who can play on the line with Crosby, he's a pretty good skater, plays the power game, a beast on the forecheck, decent hands around the net

- top 4 defenseman aquired in the Stastny trade

- your choice of one of Pickard/Aittokallio/Paterson, all are highly promising goalie prospects with potential to turn out as capable NHL goalies

- additional 2014 draft pick with top 10 protection, if the Avs finish below the 10th spot the pick transfers to 2015 and becomes top 5 protected
Not really knowing much about McGinn, I find that package underwhelming, though it certainly would depend on the Dman involved.

One thing that appeals about EJ is his very reasonable contract.

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Does nobody listen to me at all, ever?

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Does nobody listen to me at all, ever?
Pollak listened to you and gave you a rumor. I would have stayed out of here had someone not posted a Letang to SJ offer.

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Boyle at 4M salary, Nieto and Wingels for an unsigned Letang would be what I'd offer.

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06-19-2013, 02:43 PM
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yikes, that's probably one of the worst Letang proposals in a while. the only decent piece is 11th overall and it's not enough for the Pens to move one of their best defensemen to their biggest rival. Talbot is overpaid for the role he'd have had on the Pens and Gustafsson is lousy.
Riiiiiight. This isn't XBOX.

How many suitors are willing to commit to Letang for $7 million over multiple years? Go through the list...... not many.

ANA - Nope. Just signed Getzlaf/Perry to mega deals... not paying Letang 7 bills.
BOS - Nope. Won't have the cap space.
BUF - Maybe. They have the cap space and chips to package but will Letang commit to them long-term?
CAL - Hell no. No way does Letang leave a perennial contender and agree long-term to a rebuilding team in Western Canada.
CAR - Yes. The have the pieces and good story to offer. Trade history with Pens.
CHI - Nope. No space to add a $7 million defenseman.
COL - Yes. They have the pieces and money but will they have to move the chips to get Letang? Not sure.
CLB - Maybe. They have some nice assets to offer but will Letang want to commit to them?
DAL - Yes. Although, I don't see Dallas giving up the pieces it would take to land Letang.
DET - Maybe. They could use Letang but would have to strip their farm to get him.
EDM - Maybe. They have the pieces but don't see Letang committing to them long-term.
FLA - Maybe. Again, the pieces are there but will Letang want to stay there?
LA - No cap or need with Doughty and Voynov.
MIN - No money after adding the monster deals with Parise and Suter.
MON - Subban and Markov with Beaulieu in the weeds. Won't spend $7 mil on Letang and/or give up a Subban to get him.
NSH - Nope. LOL
NJD - Nope. Money problems.
NYI - Yes. Pieces to trade, will spend and moving to Brooklyn.
NYR - Maybe. Have the pieces and will spend... but will they give up the pieces?
OTT - No. No need to lock up $7 million long-term on a Karlssonesque player when they already have a better version.
PHI - Unlikely. A big Pens/Flyers trade would be uncomfortable.
PHO - Nope. Have the talent to trade but financial troubles and uncertainty. No way Letang re-signs with them long-term.
SJ - Nope. Don't have the cap or the "cheap but quality" assets really.
STL - Nope. Will have a hard time re-signing Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk as it is.
TB - Yes. If they buyout Vinny they could afford Letang long-term. They have some nice assets.
TOR - Yes. Nice assets to trade and willingness to make a big splash.
VAN - Maybe. The biggest problem is the Canucks would need to deal expensive assets in return.
WSH - No. Caps have their own moneysuckers in Ovie, Backstrom, Green, etc.
WIN - No. Don't see Letang committing to a non-playoff team in the coldest market in the NHL for multiple years. Jets biggest strength is the blue line... if they go BIG it will be up front.

Logically speaking, there are 6 "yes" teams, 7 "maybe" teams.... and most of those "maybes" are stretches. It's not like the Pens will get a 20 team bidding war for Kris Letang (especially unsigned).... not happening.

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Boyle at 4M salary, Nieto and Wingels for an unsigned Letang would be what I'd offer.
That would be as much as I'd offer.

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Whilst we wouldn't even entertain the thought of helping out Philadelphia by giving them a top pairing D man. That deal is horrible.

If we did do a deal with the Flyers which again, we wouldn't, then it'd be something like; 11th Overall, Voracek, Simmonds and Gotsisbhere (sp?)
Good luck pulling that kind of value.

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Good luck pulling that kind of value.
Way to completely miss the point.

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