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06-19-2013, 05:17 PM
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Well who's been worse for this organization than Slats? Dolan is the only one I could see being above him. At least over the past 20-30 years.

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if you follow me on twitter or even listen to mouths radio show you know i broke Tort's being fired one week before it happened. Torts and Sather have been at each other personally behind the scenes for a few weeks and the coach was attacking sather and lack of personnel .. Sather is so full of sh## his eyes are brown
You may be on the money but he is hardly full of it for not making us privy to every detail.

Sather is either throwing torts under the bus or deflecting with cliches according to this board. Who cares how it happened? The important details are who is gone and who is coming in.

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Sather was the longest interim coach ever, then.
He said he would finish out the season, which is what happened. He evaluated the team, blew it up and laid the ground work for this current roster. And it was prior to the obvious lockout. Not sure where the issue is..

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This ******* is the worst thing that has ever happened to the organization.
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You may be on the money but he is hardly full of it for not making us privy to every detail.

Sather is either throwing torts under the bus or deflecting with cliches according to this board. Who cares how it happened? The important details are who is gone and who is coming in.
Sather's tenure preys on an attitude like that. Forget the the past 2,4,6,10,13 years. Whats important is the here and now. Give me a break.

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Same old BS. It's never Sather fault.

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Sather's tenure preys on an attitude like that. Forget the the past 2,4,6,10,13 years. Whats important is the here and now. Give me a break.
Does it? I don't think Sathers tenure has any connection to public attitude in any way.

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Does it? I don't think Sathers tenure has any connection to public attitude in any way.
Dolan has that same attitude, so in a way, it does.

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Sather's tenure preys on an attitude like that. Forget the the past 2,4,6,10,13 years. Whats important is the here and now. Give me a break.
His track record matters. Not his press conferences or the level of detail. Read again. I gave no forgiveness for failure. But the bulk of whining is over "lies" through the press, doublespeak regarding tortorella or his clichés. That is a ridiculous complaint. That was my commentary. If we are going to talk, let's talk about coaches, direction, free agents. Not if a gm lied during a presser... of course he did.

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"Preys". Haha. He waits until we don't look then he ruins the team to spite us.

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Dolan has that same attitude, so in a way, it does.
Fair enough, I guess.

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No. A bad organization is represented by your avatar
Both are bad organizations. Rangers not Mets bad though lol.

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06-19-2013, 07:00 PM
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"....But they don't say, 'I don't like the assistant coach, I don't like (for example, goaltending coach) Benoit Allaire. I'd tell them to get the f--- out of the room if they did that."

Really? If Henrik didn't like Allaire and said so would you really throw him out of the room?

Do you invite players into your office to hear what they say or to put words in their mouth?

The only reason that I see for this is to take the heat off the players because the truth came out too fast.

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The system was an issue, but don't think for a second with a different system you're going to start seeing us score 5 goals a game.

We still don't have enough top end talent to put pucks in the net, and that will continue to kill us until we address the issue.
Not the thread for this, and I'd like to address Sather's BS separately, but the desire of many of us to see a new system is not driven by some delusion that the team can score 4-5 goals every night. It's about reducing stress and pressure on the defenseman. It's about letting our all world goalie see the puck and do his job. It's about letting offensive minded players make plays and be confident, so when that big goal or PP goal is needed, it doesn't take a miracle to get it. It's about modernizing the approach in an effort to take the next step. And yeah, it's about entertainment, for me at least.

Sather is simply trying to save face here, it's pretty obvious. But what should we expect from him? Honesty? You mean that hallmark of American business culture?

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Not the thread for this, and I'd like to address Sather's BS separately, but the desire of many of us to see a new system is not driven by some delusion that the team can score 4-5 goals every night. It's about reducing stress and pressure on the defenseman. It's about letting our all world goalie see the puck and do his job. It's about letting offensive minded players make plays and be confident, so when that big goal or PP goal is needed, it doesn't take a miracle to get it. It's about modernizing the approach in an effort to take the next step. And yeah, it's about entertainment, for me at least.

Sather is simply trying to save face here, it's pretty obvious. But what should we expect from him? Honesty? You mean that hallmark of American business culture?
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Great post...opening up a little doesn't mean wide open pond hockey, but hard to have the discussion when everything has to be extremes

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I feel like I'm the only resident of this forum that's okay with Slats.

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Brian Burke gave Ron Wilson an extension before firing him.
Parting gift, a token of friendship even though you are about to axe the guy? Possibly.

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I feel like I'm the only resident of this forum that's okay with Slats.
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Redden is the stupidest post-lockout thing Sather has done.

-Tried to go with a "strength-up-the-middle" strategy with Gomez and Drury. Can't kill him for it.

-Richards was perfectly acceptable at the time of the signing. Almost part of a SCF equation. Again... can't kill him for it.

He's made some good trades, and has obviously abandoned his pre-lockout stack the team with stars approach. As far as I'm concerned, Sather handed Torts the 2nd most talented team in the league this season and Torts crapped the damn bed with his asinine approach to the roster. The front office has gotten some serious talent out onto the ice. Time to have a coach that can utilize it, kind of like Torts SAID he would. ("safe is death"... yeah... this squad was worse than Renney in that aspect by the end of his tenure)

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Outside of Nash and Richards (back when he could actually play), who can skate the puck into the offensive zone without dumping it in?

You have to play the style most conducive to success based on the personnel you have on the bench. Rangers have some talent, but it's a very shallow team. You don't enter the Kentucky Derby riding a clydesdale.

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Redden is the stupidest post-lockout thing Sather has done.

-Tried to go with a "strength-up-the-middle" strategy with Gomez and Drury. Can't kill him for it.

-Richards was perfectly acceptable at the time of the signing. Almost part of a SCF equation. Again... can't kill him for it.

He's made some good trades, and has obviously abandoned his pre-lockout stack the team with stars approach. As far as I'm concerned, Sather handed Torts the 2nd most talented team in the league this season and Torts crapped the damn bed with his asinine approach to the roster. The front office has gotten some serious talent out onto the ice. Time to have a coach that can utilize it, kind of like Torts SAID he would. ("safe is death"... yeah... this squad was worse than Renney in that aspect by the end of his tenure)
The problem with the Richards signing was that the owners were already beating the drum for a lower cap and lower player % of HRR along with the elimination of burying bad contracts in the minors...all of those things came true with the new CBA. Some team will get him at a salary more in line with his diminished skills after the buyout.

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Redden is the stupidest post-lockout thing Sather has done.
Redden might be the worst free agent signing in the history of the NHL. And that's not revisionist history. Most fans including me were horrified when it happened.

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I feel like I'm the only resident of this forum that's okay with Slats.
I stand with you.

This thread is supposed to be about the reasons why Tortorella got fired, and Sather's statement.

Instead, it becomes another Sather is the antichrist thread...

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The season was a minute long. Coaches hardly operate in a lame duck environment. So he got locked up early. We have huge, huge contract issues on the table including McD and Lundqvist. Plus a draft, a reduced cap, possible buyouts. All during a shortened summer. Is that good enough for "Why?". I could care less if Sather cleared a potential task prematurely at the expense of Dolan's savings.
This may be true except for the fact that Sather, who rarely speaks publicly or to the media, did just that at the end of the regular season/beginning of the postseason and supported Tortorella and essentially said his job was safe. I don't buy that Sather did that unless he truly believed that Torts was coming back and a suitable coach for the Rangers. I don't care about Dolan's savings either. He is trying to make himself look here and that he truly has a firm grasp and direction for this club.

And Sather NEVER acts prematurely/proactively, ever. The proof is in the pudding on that. He didn't hire Vigneault until Dallas was wooing him and applying pressure. Hell, as RB posted earlier today, he didn't compliance buyout Holik till the last possible moment. There are more examples of this kind of behavior throughout his tenure.

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Redden is the stupidest post-lockout thing Sather has done.

-Tried to go with a "strength-up-the-middle" strategy with Gomez and Drury. Can't kill him for it.

-Richards was perfectly acceptable at the time of the signing. Almost part of a SCF equation. Again... can't kill him for it.

He's made some good trades, and has obviously abandoned his pre-lockout stack the team with stars approach. As far as I'm concerned, Sather handed Torts the 2nd most talented team in the league this season and Torts crapped the damn bed with his asinine approach to the roster. The front office has gotten some serious talent out onto the ice. Time to have a coach that can utilize it, kind of like Torts SAID he would. ("safe is death"... yeah... this squad was worse than Renney in that aspect by the end of his tenure)
I agree that the Redden signing was awful and the Richards signing actually wasn't that bad but there's no chance in hell that this was the second best team in hockey. Team lacked serious depth. He didn't replace the depth they lost in the trade. It's also not Torts fault that Gaborik was slow and his shot was weak.

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