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06-19-2013, 11:29 PM
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When Pittsburgh wins...emulate Pittsburgh
When Detroit wins...emulate Detroit
When Chicago wins...emulate Chicago
When Boston wins...emulate Boston
When LA wins....emulate LA

Same crap different year.
Some people have been in favor of building a team like LA or Boston for years. Not everyone is a "fefan" who keeps saying everything is shiny and beautiful for our team.

Chicago... Boston... LA... all had points in common the year they won the cup: Tremendous C depth, a balanced D, and plenty of grit/toughness. At the moment, we have good C depth, but also a non-balanced D, and almost no grit/toughness/dirty-goal scoring ability.

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06-19-2013, 11:36 PM
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It doesn't matter how you want to look at it, the Bruins are a great team. They don't just play "cheap".

These guys play solid physical hockey, but they play as a team and they are really great to watch. I'm sorry, but I can only wish the Habs to look like this in the next couple of years.

I would take half the players on that team any day of the week.
I disagree.
Bruins are as cheap as it can get.

They are doing cheap as much as they can.
The only thing about the Bruins is that they are playing PO perfectly with the new rules where any cheap shot before or after the whistle are OK.

Just tell me one team among all teams who went in PO who can compare to Bruins.
Bruins are as cheap as it can get.

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Some people have been in favor of building a team like LA or Boston for years. Not everyone is a "fefan" who keeps saying everything is shiny and beautiful for our team.

Chicago... Boston... LA... all had points in common the year they won the cup: Tremendous C depth, a balanced D, and plenty of grit/toughness. At the moment, we have good C depth, but also a non-balanced D, and almost no grit/toughness/dirty-goal scoring ability.
Yeah no ****...team's with the least holes in their lineups win cups. Wow what a ****ing revelation.

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I want the Habs to look like the Habs. Not the Booins. This is Montreal. Winning with style. This is NOT a blue collar city like Boston. This is not a lunchpail city. This is a city with grace, style and excitement.

This is the essence of les Glorieux.

This love barf for the Booins sickens me. This thread is disappointing. Do you see Yankeefan sending love to Redsoxfan? What is this?

**** the Booins.
You have never really been to Boston.

A blue collar city? Lol.

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I want the Habs to look like the Habs. Not the Booins. This is Montreal. Winning with style. This is NOT a blue collar city like Boston. This is not a lunchpail city. This is a city with grace, style and excitement.
The Habs that used to win did not look like the Bruins. But not all the players were graceful. We had a mix. Not the same mix, mind you. Everyone sees this as two extremes. Getting a little tougher does not mean becoming someone else.

And what is wrong with blue collar, working folk. You know what Habs is short for? Last time we won the cup we had guys like Odelein and Leclair. Take a look at that first goal in cup winning game and see how Leclair gracefully pummelled the Kings defenseman like a classical pianist of royal descent to force a turnover in their zone.


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Yeah no ****...team's with the least holes in their lineups win cups. Wow what a ****ing revelation.
Wow, you're swearing. You must be tough and right about your point. How freakin' cool is that...

There are key elements to success in the playoffs. If you stopped drinking to kool-aid, you'd see what's different between those teams, and say, the one we have in Montreal.

They're tough, they're deep, and they're not always the ones who have the most skills/score the most goals, unlike your simplistic opinion suggests. LA finished 30th in the league last year for GF. It means goal scoring and raw skills is not the main factor in winning the Stanley Cup. Toughness, willingness/ability to battle through 20-25 very intense games, and cohesion goes a much longer way.

But I guess you and your "pro-signing Elias fanclub co" members won't agree with that view on hockey. It's ok. For some, banging their heads against a cement wall looks cooler than it does for others. Let's all keep complaining in choir about how the Stanley Cup Playoffs Hockey is not good/entertaining, because our management people have been too freaking stupid for too long to realize what the reality is turning into.

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I want the Habs to look like the Habs. Not the Booins. This is Montreal. Winning with style. This is NOT a blue collar city like Boston. This is not a lunchpail city. This is a city with grace, style and excitement.

This is the essence of les Glorieux.

This love barf for the Booins sickens me. This thread is disappointing. Do you see Yankeefan sending love to Redsoxfan? What is this?

**** the Booins.
Nobody hates more the Bruins than the one who realize how superior they've gotten to us in EVERY aspect of the game. Because unlike the others in denial, those who realize how things turned out in the last few years, realize that there's nothing we can do to stop them at this point. We can only hope our team will follow the same path and become a successful bunch.

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Some people have been in favor of building a team like LA or Boston for years. Not everyone is a "fefan" who keeps saying everything is shiny and beautiful for our team.

Chicago... Boston... LA... all had points in common the year they won the cup: Tremendous C depth, a balanced D, and plenty of grit/toughness. At the moment, we have good C depth, but also a non-balanced D, and almost no grit/toughness/dirty-goal scoring ability.
Excellent post.

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06-20-2013, 12:21 AM
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Wow, you're swearing. You must be tough and right about your point. How freakin' cool is that...
I bet this comment "But I guess you and your "pro-signing Elias fanclub co" members" makes you feel tough as well. Or how about this "If you stopped drinking to kool-aid"? I'm sorry it is you that that is the cool one.

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There are key elements to success in the playoffs. you'd see what's different between those teams, and say, the one we have in Montreal.
What kool-aid? What are you talking about?

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They're tough, they're deep, and they're not always the ones who have the most skills/score the most goals, unlike your simplistic opinion suggests. LA finished 30th in the league last year for GF. It means goal scoring and raw skills is not the main factor in winning the Stanley Cup. Toughness, willingness/ability to battle through 20-25 very intense games, and cohesion goes a much longer way.
They're not teams that have the most skill? What the hell are you talking about? Just in the last three years we've seen teams win cups with guys like Williams, Kopitar, Kane, Toews, Krecji, Hossa, Bergeron, Marchand, Doughty, Carter, Richards, Keith, Horton...these are all skilled and highly talented players.

Yeah toughness is important, but so is goaltending, good coaching, a balanced line-up, depth to replace injuries ala Boston in round 1, defensemen who can play 28 -30 minutes a game if need be, good faceoff men, good special teams. Reducing everything to toughness and willingness to battle is what is simplistic. Is Boston as good without their "toughness"? Maybe not, but they wouldn't be as good if the skill and depth suddenly goes out of their line up.

Good teams are good teams because they are well built and have a little bit of everything, which isn't a surprise to anyone. Again, the only thing that is simplistic in anyone's analysis is attributing all that success to one factor, which for you is consistently toughness. It's one factor, but it isn't the only factor. Making Montreal tough might make them better, but they still won't be a cup contender without fixing other holes in the lineup. No one is saying they don't need to get tougher, people are saying it is far from being the solution. Still many other factors.

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But I guess you and your "pro-signing Elias fanclub co" members won't agree with that view on hockey.
Who the hell wants Elias? What the hell are you talking about?

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It's ok. For some, banging their heads against a cement wall looks cooler than it does for others. Let's all keep complaining in choir about how the Stanley Cup Playoffs Hockey is not good/entertaining, because our management people have been too freaking stupid for too long to realize what the reality is turning into.
Is there even an argument in here?


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06-20-2013, 12:24 AM
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Nobody hates more the Bruins than the one who realize how superior they've gotten to us in EVERY aspect of the game. Because unlike the others in denial, those who realize how things turned out in the last few years, realize that there's nothing we can do to stop them at this point. We can only hope our team will follow the same path and become a successful bunch.
you sure are not one of those who hates them, you're probably one of their fan in disguise actually.

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06-20-2013, 12:26 AM
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Why do people assume management wants to stay soft? You can't ****ing change an entire roster in one calendar year.

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you sure are not one of those who hates them, you're probably one of their fan in disguise actually.
I don't think that's the case at all.

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Nobody hates more the Bruins than the one who realize how superior they've gotten to us in EVERY aspect of the game. Because unlike the others in denial, those who realize how things turned out in the last few years, realize that there's nothing we can do to stop them at this point. We can only hope our team will follow the same path and become a successful bunch.
Number 2 in G/G, number 4 in GA/G and number 1 in goaltending. Bergevin knows the essence of the formula but it takes time. Bruins took years to put that squad together. And yeah it wouldn't hurt for a few people to understand the differences between the Habs and Bruins.

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Number 2 in G/G, number 4 in GA/G and number 1 in goaltending. Bergevin knows the essence of the formula but it takes time. Bruins took years to put that squad together. And yeah it wouldn't hurt for a few people to understand the differences between the Habs and Bruins.
and it wouldnt hurt either to understand they didnt become what they are by trading away all their vets, it actually all started when they signed a 30 years UFA on july 1st...

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I don't think that's the case at all.
lemme guess, he just happen to know it all ?

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lemme guess, he just happen to know it all ?
His thinking they have a good team does not mean he likes them. Since you are privy to his private thoughts maybe you are the one who 'knows it all".

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His thinking they have a good team does not mean he likes them. Since you are privy to his private thoughts maybe you are the one who 'knows it all".
I do, that's how I know he's a B fan in disguise.

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Montreal has to become...Montreal again: talent, speed, toughness and depth. Montreal dors not emulate. Montreal creates emulation.
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Only silver lining I could see is the Bruins giving up assets to get Jagr and Rask value increasing so they have SCap problems.

But McDermid, Payne and a 2nd round will not affect the Bruins very much.
Especially considering their ability to hire players that they did not draft.

We are not near the Bruins for now.
With or without silver lining.
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You have never really been to Boston.

A blue collar city? Lol.
I guess Harvard and MIT are blue collars!

Just curious about the average salary and unemployment rate.

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What about winning faceoffs? An area we need to improve in regardless of whether we are tougher or not.

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The Bruins aren't better because they are tougher. They are better because they have 3 lines better than our top line.

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What about winning faceoffs? An area we need to improve in regardless of whether we are tougher or not.
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What about winning faceoffs? An area we need to improve in regardless of whether we are tougher or not.
the bruins have this many centermen in their top 9:

bergeron
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besides the fact that bergeron is pretty much jesus at winning faceoffs, if they get kicked out, another centermen will take his spot.

and we constantly discuss how we have to trade one of ours because we have 4 of them

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Faceoffs are not a priority, they don't impact the game muchvas has been explained many times.

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