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06-20-2013, 12:47 AM
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Ranger to Edmonton most likely because of the Dallas Eakins connection.
Theres no need to trade for a UFA.

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Usually there's more then a ten minute talk after a meeting when a trade gets done, unless they talked this trade out a whole ago. Maybe it's something about Eakins ?

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cause hes playing on the oilers. the team that finished in the bottom 10.
Come back when you've got a relevant argument bud.

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I meant Liles taking over(because Whitney is a UFA and leaving) as what Whitney was suppose to be, a veteran d-man to mentor the kids on defence.
How many years on his contract. Hed be a good 3rd pairing partner with Belov, but wouldnt want him if hes got more than 3-4 years left. Then hed be taking a roster spot from Marincin/Musil/Gernat

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Seen him play a bit (don't forget he played for NSH for a few years and we get leafs shoved down our throats every saturday night here in Alberta) and he's a bottom pairing Dman who's great to have on the PP.

I'll give you guys that he had a great playoffs, but he's not a top 4 D and he is most certainly not a top 2 D on the Oilers.
Franson played a whopping 6 games against Edmonton in the two years he was with Nashville.

He played sparingly, around 13-16 minutes a night in those 6 games.

So are you telling me that based on those 6 games, and a cursory glance at Leafs games on Saturday night over the last two years, that you feel confident you have an accurate grasp on current-day Cody Franson?

Because I have seen Franson play in over a hundred games with the Leafs. We analyze the crap out of our own players. In his time with the Leafs, despite a shaky start in his first season where he bounced in and out of the lineup, he has developed into an indisputable top-4 d-man with fantastic reach, increased physicality and a booming, accurate shot which makes him a threat on the PP. He formed a very good shutdown pairing with Fraser and gained the trust of the coaching staff in defensive situations. He has a great knack for shooting for tips and displays high hockey intelligence in offensive situations.

Don't even try and act like he isn't a top-4 D in this league. The Oilers would be lucky to have an all-purpose d-man like him.

Consider yourself educated. Get outta here with that "I know everything" crap.

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06-20-2013, 12:51 AM
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If the Oilers weren't happy with who was available when they pick at #7 I would hope the Flyers would call and inquire about moving up from 11 to 7. Maybe something like:

flyers 1st (11th OA) + 3rd (71st OA) for Edm 1st (7th OA). Edm moves back 4 spots (not a large drop back) and pick up a high 3rd in the process.

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cause hes playing on the oilers. the team that finished in the bottom 10.
so was Kessel a 3rd line winger last year?

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Probably just talking about boats and summer homes.

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If the Oilers weren't happy with who was available when they pick at #7 I would hope the Flyers would call and inquire about moving up from 11 to 7. Maybe something like:

flyers 1st (11th OA) + 3rd (71st OA) for Edm 1st (7th OA). Edm moves back 4 spots (not a large drop back) and pick up a high 3rd in the process.
but why? that is a pretty significant drop for a third rounder.

maybe an actual roster player?

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so was Kessel a 3rd line winger last year?
look, sam gagner is a good third line center on a good team. but he's an average second line centre.

but to say he's worth more than the 21st pick and colborne is ridiculous.

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06-20-2013, 12:59 AM
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Franson played a whopping 6 games against Edmonton in the two years he was with Nashville.

He played sparingly, around 13-16 minutes a night in those 6 games.

So are you telling me that based on those 6 games, and a cursory glance at Leafs games on Saturday night over the last two years, that you feel confident you have an accurate grasp on current-day Cody Franson?

Because I have seen Franson play in over a hundred games with the Leafs. We analyze the crap out of our own players. In his time with the Leafs, despite a shaky start in his first season where he bounced in and out of the lineup, he has developed into an indisputable top-4 d-man with fantastic reach, increased physicality and a booming, accurate shot which makes him a threat on the PP. He formed a very good shutdown pairing with Fraser and gained the trust of the coaching staff in defensive situations. He has a great knack for shooting for tips and displays high hockey intelligence in offensive situations.

Don't even try and act like he isn't a top-4 D in this league, most especially on the Oilers' laughable blueline.

Consider yourself educated. Get outta here with that "I know everything" crap.
Get off your high horse.
You were fast asleep for 100% of his games until he put on a blue and white jersey.
You're ignorant if you think I've never seen him play outside of Nsh vs Edm, and you're ignorant if you think western Canada isn't forcefed 90% of the Leafs regular season schedule as well.
Franson was a player that many Oilers fans have scouted high and low for a few years, before he was traded out east.

Franson scored a whopping 1 goal that wasn't on the PP this season, and he shot 20% in the playoffs and scored 3 goals in 7 games. Not to mention it was a shortened season. In other words, he's a bottom pairing guy who's great on the PP and played above his head in the post season.

Thanks for educating me though

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06-20-2013, 01:00 AM
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but to say he's worth more than the 21st pick and colborne is ridiculous.
Why? Colborne is career AHLer so basically that offer is Gagner <-> 21st overall. There is absolutely zero chance Oilers would make that deal. Hell, they probably would deal Gagner straight up only to a top-4 draft pick.

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06-20-2013, 01:01 AM
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look, sam gagner is a good third line center on a good team. but he's an average second line centre.

but to say he's worth more than the 21st pick and colborne is ridiculous.
Gagner is absolutely worth more than a late first and an AHL tweener.

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06-20-2013, 01:07 AM
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i wouldnt even trade the 21st straight up for gagner. not worth it. stop overvaluing him. hes a third line center at best.
How many 21 OAs put up similar numbers to Gagner? (even if not mind blowing)
Colbourne maxes out at a 3c

So 21st who may or may not turn out to be better and a bottom 6 prospect for a second line center

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but why? that is a pretty significant drop for a third rounder.

maybe an actual roster player?

???? Seriously??? It's four freaking spots. You're not talking about dropping from the 7th spot to the 21st spot (or wherever the Leafs are picking). It's four spots and a high 3rd is more than fair. The difference between 7th and 11th isn't worth much more than that. As for an actual roster player worth that difference, you'd be looking at a 4th liner or 7th dman, not anything exciting.

Again, this only would happen if the guys the Oilers had targeted at the top of their board are gone and they are "okay" with moving back four spots in the draft AND if the Flyers see someone they like and don't feel he'll be there at #11.

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look, sam gagner is a good third line center on a good team. but he's an average second line centre.

but to say he's worth more than the 21st pick and colborne is ridiculous.
I am not going to argue his trade value, because HF is rarely correct with player value.

I will say that that 3rd line C tied for 16th in C scoring this season.

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???? Seriously??? It's four freaking spots. You're not talking about dropping from the 7th spot to the 21st spot (or wherever the Leafs are picking). It's four spots and a high 3rd is more than fair. The difference between 7th and 11th isn't worth much more than that. As for an actual roster player worth that difference, you'd be looking at a 4th liner or 7th dman, not anything exciting.

Again, this only would happen if the guys the Oilers had targeted at the top of their board are gone and they are "okay" with moving back four spots in the draft AND if the Flyers see someone they like and don't feel he'll be there at #11.
Moving up from 11 to 7 is like moving from 7 to 5 and i would love to give a 3rd + 7 to get 5th but itd likely take a second

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You don't like Kypreos. Got it.

Now do you have anything to contribute about either the Leafs or Oilers?
heh was it Kypreos who convinced us that Iggy was going/had gone to Boston?

As for the speculation....

Kulemin and Gunnarson might be interesting for the right price.

Who knows, maybe Hemsky is going to Toronto!

Oh no! I didn't just say that, did I?

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look, sam gagner is a good third line center on a good team. but he's an average second line centre.

but to say he's worth more than the 21st pick and colborne is ridiculous.
Well, Colborne is 23 and Gagner is 23...
Colborne has one goal and Gagner has 91 goals...
And Colborne has 16 points and Gagner has 258 points...

And considering the fact that Gagner has carried the bust label on these boards before, Colborne would be considered a super-mega-mondo bust.

So it would appear that once again, an HF poster has become confused when valuating draft picks and potential prospects against actual NHL players.

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Nick Kypreos says that he saw Dave Nonis and Craig MacTavish "talking for a pretty good portion after their GM meetings".

I'm sure guys like Kypreos, Dreger and LeBrun see general managers talk at these events but there must be something to it if Nick is willing to mention it on air. There are rumblings also in Oilers nation that the team has a couple deals to announce after the Stanley Cup finals end. It's not clear whether they are expected to announce the signing of their own free agents or if either deal will be a trade acquisition. The Maple Leafs and Oilers have obviously been in touch due to the Dallas Eakins hiring but could that mean a trade is in the works?

We'll find out soon enough.

Source (video): http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/l...al-with-bozak/
They could have been discussing Paul Ranger, or which strip club to visit, or any number of things we could speculate on. Any guess is as good as the next.

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If MacTavish is even half serious about fixing the mess in Edmonton he's going to be after toughness, and he's going to be after defencemen. I think a sweet deal for both clubs would be something like this:

MacLaren
Gunnarsson
Kulemin
Grabovski
1st round pick

for

Eberle
1st round pick


The Leafs move up in the draft to grab a better prospect, and get a pretty good albeit expensive player who might be dynamite riding shotgun for Kadri.

The Oilers add depth up the middle, get a more meat and potatoes winger to replace Eberle, a top 4 defenceman who's still young enough to grow with the core of the team but provide instant credibility (Gunnarsson is a totally underrated defenceman) to the blue line rather than potential alone. In MacLaren they guy some legit toughness, size, and ability to play a role on the team.

If it's not anything as ambitious as this, it's probably something smaller involving former Eakins players like Mark Fraser who's a tough defenceman they could use or Matt Frattin, a big winger they could really use, but not especially tough.
You put in a good effort and there's lots of players Edmonton would want but this just isn't a good deal for the Oilers.

7th > Gunnarsson, Kulemin, McLaren
Eberle>21st, Grabovski

I like Grabovski but thats a bad contract and he isn't a type of player we need. The 7th overall part of the trade isn't bad value but none of the Toronto pieces are likely to be as good as the pick is. We lose the eberle part of the swap badly so chances are we give up the best two players in this deal for good but not great players.

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Why even trade Gagner? He's a 23 year old with poise, skill, and lots of experience(not in the playoffs btw) but that's not that easy to find these days. If they really want to trade the 7th selection, trade it for Gardiner and Torono's pick and MAYBE throw Hemsky in there as well.

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Theres no need to trade for a UFA.
actually the Leafs do not own Ranger's rights. HE signed an AHL deal with their minor league team. While he did play in the organization, I do not think he signed an nhl deal

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???? Seriously??? It's four freaking spots. You're not talking about dropping from the 7th spot to the 21st spot (or wherever the Leafs are picking). It's four spots and a high 3rd is more than fair. The difference between 7th and 11th isn't worth much more than that. As for an actual roster player worth that difference, you'd be looking at a 4th liner or 7th dman, not anything exciting.

Again, this only would happen if the guys the Oilers had targeted at the top of their board are gone and they are "okay" with moving back four spots in the draft AND if the Flyers see someone they like and don't feel he'll be there at #11.
What about a 4th and a 5th?

instead of a third.

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You don't like Kypreos. Got it.

Now do you have anything to contribute about either the Leafs or Oilers?
You think the Leafs are in on every trade. Got it.

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