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06-19-2013, 09:22 PM
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I was just thinking "We REALLY need more centers."
We probably will after Holmgren starts wheeling and dealing.

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06-19-2013, 09:24 PM
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Dustin Leed ‏@D_LEED 1m
And the latest: heavy interest in NYR's Brad Richards if he's bought out. #Flyers


Maybe they are trying to bluff the Rangers into not buying him out...

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06-19-2013, 09:30 PM
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With apologies to Carchidi from an earlier post of mine:

Dustin Leed ‏@D_LEED 1m
And the latest: heavy interest in NYR's Brad Richards if he's bought out. #Flyers


With a new coach coming in I could see them possibly holding onto him for another year. He still put up 34 points in 46 games last year despite having a disappointing season.

Anyone know if he's ever played on the wing before?

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06-19-2013, 09:31 PM
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Well I don't own a crystal ball so I can't say for certain but it's not like Ryan's had any major injuries and he's still relatively young. In fact I think he could do better if he moved out of Anaheim. He's usually playing on the second line without Getzlaf & Perry and when he does play with them it's out of position on the other side but again I don't know that for certain just my feeling.

Obviously I don't have another method but to me using past players is silly because every player is different.

For the record I don't want to trade for Ryan because of the cost and I feel like there's bigger needs right now but I just feel like some of you guys are really undervaluing him and overvaluing our guys.
I actually think that Ryan would at least maintain that 30 goal streak playing on the first line with Giroux full time for a few more years. Putting him on Giroux's wing with Harntell or Schenn on the other side would be dangerous. Giroux would be the best passer and most creative player he has ever played with, not to diminish what getzlaf and perry have done.

Schenn-Giroux-Ryan
Harntell-Couts-Voracek
XXX-Laughton-Simmonds

or

Hartnell-Giroux-Ryan
Simmonds-Schenn-Voracek
Laughton-Couturier-XXX (shutdown line with offensive potential).

could both be amazing lines going forward but I would prefer the first one

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06-19-2013, 09:37 PM
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Richards isn't quite as bad as people tried to make it sound. Briere was far, far worse.

That said, I'm not interested AT ALL unless he comes below $4m and for one year and only to play on the wing. Anything different, and I will be furious.

EDIT: I agree with the above. They'll give Richards another year to get his **** together. He's only a year removed from 66 points.

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06-19-2013, 09:49 PM
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If Schenn stays at center I wonder if we could get Mason Raymond on a 1 year deal for 2.5 and resign gagne for 2.5 for 1 year

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Raymond-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Couts-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
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Mason
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06-19-2013, 10:04 PM
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If Schenn stays at center I wonder if we could get Mason Raymond on a 1 year deal for 2.5 and resign gagne for 2.5 for 1 year

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Raymond-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Couts-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Streit-Schenn
Gus-Grossmann
Meszaros-Gervais

Mason
UFA
Raymond on the second line?

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06-19-2013, 10:38 PM
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If Schenn stays at center I wonder if we could get Mason Raymond on a 1 year deal for 2.5

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Cleary-Schenn-Simmonds
Raymond-Couts-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Streit-Schenn
Gus-Grossmann
Meszaros-Gervais

Mason
UFA
How about... above.... add Cleary. Raymond to 3rd line.

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06-19-2013, 10:51 PM
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^^^ Guys, Matt Read is the 2nd line winger you're looking for.

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06-19-2013, 10:52 PM
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If Schenn stays at center I wonder if we could get Mason Raymond on a 1 year deal for 2.5 and resign gagne for 2.5 for 1 year

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Raymond-Schenn-Simmonds
Gagne-Couts-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Streit-Schenn
Gus-Grossmann
Meszaros-Gervais

Mason
UFA
Assuming that should be Coburn
I don't know anything about Raymond, but that aside I dont mind that lineup. Would like at least one "tougher" guy on coots line though

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06-19-2013, 10:55 PM
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Assuming that should be Coburn
I don't know anything about Raymond, but that aside I dont mind that lineup. Would like at least one "tougher" guy on coots line though
Yes that should have been coburn. And replacing gagne with a bigger guy would be a good idea

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06-20-2013, 06:15 AM
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Dont know if i grab richards. Would only do it for a cheaper 1 year deal which i doubt he gets.

That being said though, the team did like him when he was an UFA. If hea bought out I think they will take a long look:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Brunner-Richards-Hartnell
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
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06-20-2013, 06:28 AM
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Dont know if i grab richards. Would only do it for a cheaper 1 year deal which i doubt he gets.

That being said though, the team did like him when he was an UFA. If hea bought out I think they will take a long look:

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Brunner-Richards-Hartnell
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo
He really didn't have that bad of a regular season. The playoffs are a different story however. Idk, like you said a cheap 1 year deal would be ok I guess. At the same time, that would mean Schenn has to now be developed as a winger, which is fine, but they really have to stop rotating him back and forth between that and center if they want to develop him properly.

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06-20-2013, 07:02 AM
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Would love to add brad Richards I think his decline was exaggerated and he still has plenty in the tank. Bobby Ryan is an unnecessary move at this juncture, however once he's a flyer ill be very happy

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06-20-2013, 07:06 AM
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If the flyers get brad Richards and since hartnell is 19 can he be 18 so I can get some more useful miles out of the $350 jersey I bought. Lol.

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06-20-2013, 07:11 AM
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With a new coach coming in I could see them possibly holding onto him for another year. He still put up 34 points in 46 games last year despite having a disappointing season.

Anyone know if he's ever played on the wing before?
I'd be more than happy to add Richards, assuming the deal is reasonable length and amount.

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06-20-2013, 07:50 AM
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All this talk about Raymond.

His feet are too fast for his head and hands. Being from BC, I've had the misfortune of watching too much Canucks. I don't see anywhere he can contribute to this lineup. I definitely would be disappointed to add him.

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06-20-2013, 08:23 AM
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If Richards is bought out, and is willing to take say $3mil per year, then it is a no brainer. He doesn't need to be considered the #1 guy here like he does in New York.

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Richards-Read
Laughton-Couturier-Simmonds
Gagne-Talbot-Rinaldo

I could get excited for that, If we trade read then mcginn gets thrown in somewhere

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06-20-2013, 08:25 AM
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Sigh. Brining Richards to the fold will just continue to delay the development of our young centers. Couts and Schenn are in their third years. It's time for them to make that jump.

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06-20-2013, 08:33 AM
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Sigh. Brining Richards to the fold will just continue to delay the development of our young centers. Couts and Schenn are in their third years. It's time for them to make that jump.
I agree. On offense we should be looking for young wingers who will be veterans by the time we are ready to be a true cup contender and who can grow with our young core

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06-20-2013, 08:38 AM
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Sigh. Brining Richards to the fold will just continue to delay the development of our young centers. Couts and Schenn are in their third years. It's time for them to make that jump.
I'd think they would try to move Richards to the wing. Putting a playmaker like him on a line with Couturier might actually stimulate some of the offensive potential we've been waiting for. The best Couturier has ever looked offensively was when he was on a line with Voracek, he needs someone to help create space for him.

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06-20-2013, 08:42 AM
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I agree. On offense we should be looking for young wingers who will be veterans by the time we are ready to be a true cup contender and who can grow with our young core
Agree. I hope we can land a guy like Brunner or Filppula. The well dries up after that in free agency. I don't trust a guy like Brad Boyes and I sure as hell don't trust the durability of Horton.

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Thats why I want to put Schenn on Girouxs left wing and have a line up like this

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds/Read
Harntell-Couts-Voracek
XXX-Laughton-Read/Simmonds

As much as a lot of people hate the idea of trading for Ryan, he is the better acquisition. Also im not sure why everyone thinks we cant retain Read. If he is asking for 4 or less then he could be retained. If he wants more he definitely is not worth. But at 4 or less it is a debate

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06-20-2013, 08:50 AM
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I'm torn on Schenn playing the wing. I feel like his skill is maximized at center. It's a hard decision when you have three good centers. Also PL should never in his right mind break up Voracek and Giroux. That's a deadly duo. Voracek takes pressure off of G. Teams now have to account for Voracek instead of put all the coverage on Giroux.

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I'd think they would try to move Richards to the wing. Putting a playmaker like him on a line with Couturier might actually stimulate some of the offensive potential we've been waiting for. The best Couturier has ever looked offensively was when he was on a line with Voracek, he needs someone to help create space for him.
Richards is too soft to be playing wing full time. He needs to be at center to maximize his skillset. He's just not a good fit here.

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