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06-20-2013, 08:39 AM
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just a guess, something around Hemsky and Liles
Could be. I wouldn't be surprised as Toronto could use another top 6 winger and Edmonton needs defense. However, at the same time it could be something around Grabovski for Horcoff +. If Toronto is actually targeting Weiss and with Kadri as our second line center, Grabovski doesn't fit into Carlyle's system as a third liner. Horcoff's contract is terrible, but he could be a good third line center for the Leafs.

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06-20-2013, 08:40 AM
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Yes because washed up players who have become analysts could never spout BS right
I know, right? Why isn't this guy playing in the NHL. He is only 47.

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06-20-2013, 08:44 AM
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The crux of these discussions in my mind from a Nonis/Leaf point of view (I am an oiler fan). Is that they must just love a certain player they feel will be there at 7. Thus they are not saying, 'we will give up gardner for the 7th pick in the draft. They are saying we will give up gardner only if Elias Lindholm happens to be there and we feel that lindholm (or nurse or monahan, take your pick) is going to be a tremendous player.

As Leaf fans have said however, the Leafs did well enough last year that they are not in rebuild mode. The talks between the GM's could easily be about any one of a number of players from each team.

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06-20-2013, 08:48 AM
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The crux of these discussions in my mind from a Nonis/Leaf point of view (I am an oiler fan). Is that they must just love a certain player they feel will be there at 7. Thus they are not saying, 'we will give up gardner for the 7th pick in the draft. They are saying we will give up gardner only if Elias Lindholm happens to be there and we feel that lindholm (or nurse or monahan, take your pick) is going to be a tremendous player.

As Leaf fans have said however, the Leafs did well enough last year that they are not in rebuild mode. The talks between the GM's could easily be about any one of a number of players from each team.
Sasha Barkov will not fall to #7. That's the one player the Leafs need the most.

I'll be very disappointed if the Leafs trade for the 7th pick because it will likely cost Gardiner and we'll have to wait 2-3 years for whoever we pick to make it to the NHL. None of our top picks really get a chance to break into the NHL in the first year.

The 7th pick in the draft holds a lot of value, but I'm just hoping that there is either nothing brewing between the Leafs/Oilers or it is a player transaction.

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06-20-2013, 08:55 AM
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leafs havent had a goalie since how long? we had to deal with toskala, monster, and raycroft. we finally get a goalie how is dare i say it respectable and you want to trade him so we can replace him with a young goalie with upside but even more unproven then reimer? also, what makes you think reimer is an upgrade on dubnyk? imo reimer = dubnyk in terms of ability. dubnyk might actually be better considering edmontons defensive situation.

if reimers is "only" able to achieve a 924 save percentage and a 2.46 goals against and its still not good enough for you then you have impossible expectations of what a goalie should provide. im not calling reimer elite by any stretch but at the very least he is a serviceable average to slightly above average starting goalie who is young and cheap and highly likeable.

bottom line, i cant see reimer being moved unless a significant upgrade is brought in to replace him.
Yep Reimer has been great. I would say his is a top 15 goalie in the league. You know who is better than him? Price, Lundquist, Rask, Anderson, Miller. Do you see a problem with this? If we don't get Bernier than Philly or the Isles will and that will add one more team to the list.

The problems with Reimer stem from his natural underlying athletic ability and are not going to get better. Positionally, mentally he is A+ and at the top of his game. We need better.

Leafs are not going to get better without taking some risks.

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I can see the Oilers taking a guy like Kulemin, Leafs get some cap and salary space freed up. Kulemin could be a nice stop gap fit to play opposite Yakupov. Whatever might be being discussed, I bet it would be minor. Kulemin for one of the Oiler's 2nd round picks? I would love to get Gunnarsson, but think the Leafs value him quite a bit.
Haha good luck with that, not getting Kule for a 2nd rounder.

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LOL @ sam > colborne + 1st. Thats a joke. Hes 3rd line on a good team....
C'mon man... Colborne isn't even an nhl'er on a decent team

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i wouldnt even trade the 21st straight up for gagner. not worth it. stop overvaluing him. hes a third line center at best.


C'mon, you're the ones who give the rest of us Leafs fans such a bad rep

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06-20-2013, 08:57 AM
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Question for a Marlies fan.

Other then Hamilton. Who did Eakins 'go to' a lot on the Marlies?

Could see a minor deal involving a player Dallas thinks is NHL ready.

Have a feeling Dallas is involved in EDM signing Hamilton to a 2-way in the offseason.

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06-20-2013, 09:04 AM
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gardiner for 7 seems fair
I wouldn't do it from a Leafs perspective.

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Question for a Marlies fan.

Other then Hamilton. Who did Eakins 'go to' a lot on the Marlies?

Could see a minor deal involving a player Dallas thinks is NHL ready.

Have a feeling Dallas is involved in EDM signing Hamilton to a 2-way in the offseason.
Zigomanis

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06-20-2013, 09:14 AM
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I wouldn't do it from a Leafs perspective.
There'd have to be somebody they really liked still available in the draft. That does sound like a 10 minute conversation, preparations if someone slips through so if it comes up on the draft floor a deal can be finalized pretty quick.

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06-20-2013, 09:15 AM
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There'd have to be somebody they really liked still available in the draft. That does sound like a 10 minute conversation, preparations if someone slips through so if it comes up on the draft floor a deal can be finalized pretty quick.
Who though? What players other than Seth Jones (who Im admittedly not very high on) could come in and impact the leafs right away? IT makes zero sense to trade a top 4 dman for a player who may not be ready for another year or two despite the fact that the team is in win now mode.

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06-20-2013, 09:16 AM
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Ranger to Edmonton most likely because of the Dallas Eakins connection.
ChuckWoods has already debunked that whole thing. If Ranger plays in the NHL next year, it's going to be in Toronto.


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gardiner for 7 seems fair
Gardiner for Monahan.... ehhhh

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just a guess, something around Hemsky and Liles
JM Liles is a healthy scratch in TO

Hemsky is not

no thanks from the Oilers POV

if Monahan or Lindholm is at #7....I'd be tough to trade it to TO for Gardiner or whoever, I think think the Oilers lack size down the middle (Monahan) and two-way ability (Lindholm)

passing on these guys would hurt

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if its Gardiner + our 1st this year for the #7th pick like it's speculated on the Oilers board, then it would be a highway robbery for them.
Dave Nonis isn't an idiot.

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I wouldn't even do Gardiner for the 7th overall pick in a straight swap.

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Question for a Marlies fan.

Other then Hamilton. Who did Eakins 'go to' a lot on the Marlies?

Could see a minor deal involving a player Dallas thinks is NHL ready.

Have a feeling Dallas is involved in EDM signing Hamilton to a 2-way in the offseason.
Greg Scott who signed in europe,will acton and holzer I believe and mike zigo

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I can almost guarantee one thing.

There will be a player that played for the Marlies last year, that suits up for the Oilers next year.

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C'mon, you're the ones who give the rest of us Leafs fans such a bad rep
dude, i'm not in anyway saying that colborne is better than gagner, but in actuality he's (gagner) way better. gagner >> colborne. no question about it.

but if you add our first rounder it changes. colborne + 21st > gagner.

that's how i see it. our first rounder has value despite what edm fans say...

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Please don't trade Gardiner for the 7th overall pick. It'll be a mistake

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At #7 there will be very good centres still available. And while I think we can get a good potential #1 centre I don't think it's wise trading a developed player like Gards for a player that will take a few years to develop.

We would have to take the hit for another year or two, possibly missing the playoffs again, to wait for the younger guys to come up:

-Rielly, Percy, Biggs, etc and if we pick Monahan.

It just doesn't work for me.. Unless if EDM sends something else to entice me we have no deal.

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I can almost guarantee one thing.

There will be a player that played for the Marlies last year, that suits up for the Oilers next year.
Would not be surprised to see Zigomanis replacing Horcoff's role after he gets bought out

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JM Liles is a healthy scratch in TO

Hemsky is not

no thanks from the Oilers POV

if Monahan or Lindholm is at #7....I'd be tough to trade it to TO for Gardiner or whoever, I think think the Oilers lack size down the middle (Monahan) and two-way ability (Lindholm)

passing on these guys would hurt
Living in Alberta I get to watch A LOT of Edmonton.
You NEED D fact, Leafs need top 6 RW also a fact. Not saying it happens but it makes sense.

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Living in Alberta I get to watch A LOT of Edmonton.
You NEED D fact, Leafs need top 6 RW also a fact. Not saying it happens but it makes sense.
Why do we need a top 6 RW? Kessel and Lupul seem to be two top 6 RW to me...

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I can almost guarantee one thing.

There will be a player that played for the Marlies last year, that suits up for the Oilers next year.
Yeah nice bold moves upgrading the oilers bottom 6 by picking up other teams AHLers. What you say is probably correct. I just don't think it's smart.

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Why do we need a top 6 RW? Kessel and Lupul seem to be two top 6 RW to me...
Really? Lupul plays mostly with Kessel when healthy and when he does he plays LW JVR is also LW so yes this team needs a top 6 RW

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