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06-20-2013, 09:59 AM
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Here is my Take

Eakins for 100% sure has a player or 2 from Marlies he likes for Edmonton..

Thats likely the chatter..

7th is a player who will not make the NHL in 2013/2014 to trade a rising star for a delayed "potential" star is not a good trade..

Gards no..
Franson maybe..

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06-20-2013, 10:01 AM
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D'Amigo and Holzer are two potential depth players that I could see Eakins wanting.

D'Amigo will have a hard time cracking the Leafs roster as long as Carlyle is the coach. He isn't good enough to jump into a top 9 spot, doesn't play center and with Carlyle insisting on having two fights on the wing on his 4th a lot of the time I believe he'll need to move to another team to get his shot in the NHL.

Holzer has played his best under Eakins but struggled a lot under Carlyle. Eakins might feel he can better utilize him then the Leafs could. Holzer could be a good depth dman for the Oilers at the right cost.

Picks or other prospects is what the Leafs would expect in return.

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06-20-2013, 10:04 AM
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Who though? What players other than Seth Jones (who Im admittedly not very high on) could come in and impact the leafs right away? IT makes zero sense to trade a top 4 dman for a player who may not be ready for another year or two despite the fact that the team is in win now mode.
Doesnt have to be a move for immediate help if they think Gardiner is redundant with Reilly ready to move in. If it takes a couple years for whoever they get at 7 to step in and really be effective but he ends up being as good or better than Kadri while their blueline doesnt suffer then it's a win-win. Lindholm is supposedly a high end talent at center and he might be available at 7.

I agree it'd be hard to give up Gardiner but it'd be hard for the Oilers to pass on a Lindholm or a Monahan. It all comes down to what your scouts feel about certain players, your team depth not just your valuation of a single player, and your feeling on how it will all play out in the future.

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06-20-2013, 10:04 AM
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D'amigo will likely make the Leafs this year and has progressed very nicely every year since he was drafted...

Not sure why they would trade him

Holtzer sure..

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Holzer for Rajala

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06-20-2013, 10:09 AM
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dude, i'm not in anyway saying that colborne is better than gagner, but in actuality he's (gagner) way better. gagner >> colborne. no question about it.

but if you add our first rounder it changes. colborne + 21st > gagner.

that's how i see it. our first rounder has value despite what edm fans say...
And so does Gagner, despite what leaf fans say...

He obviously isn't worth the moon but Gagner would never be traded in that type of deal, for picks and prospects. My bet is, if he does go, it would be in a package as a sweetener. Gagner isn't worth too much on his own (more than Colburn + 21 OA imo) but he could be the piece that gets added to a big deal to get it done.

You are being completely offside valuing him though, to say he's soft and weak is cutting him short, watch the kid play, gives 110% every shift, he's all heart, he'll even fight for his team mates often. As for faceoffs, he's improved, was 44% this year. So for every 100 draws he looses 8 more than your best center, Bozak. Big deal, that doesn't take his value down as drastically as your insinuating.

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06-20-2013, 10:10 AM
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Relax this is a minor league deal it just makes sense

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06-20-2013, 10:17 AM
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Relax this is a minor league deal it just makes sense
if it was a minor league deal they probably would have announced it.

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06-20-2013, 10:18 AM
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if it was a minor league deal they probably would have announced it.
they were likely just chatting casually.

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Hemsky + 7th overall for Gardner + Fratten + 21 overall.... BOOK IT

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06-20-2013, 10:21 AM
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"The bottom line is Jake's a puck-moving NHL elite-level defenceman."

Carlyle said this just over a month ago. Why is he sour on Gardiner again?
I don't know, why did Gardiner spend so much time mulling the in AHL post lock out ?

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06-20-2013, 10:22 AM
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gardiner makes the most sense. PRV might be a good fit in toronto.
PRV will not be a centerpiece in a deal for Gardiner.

I don't know why people think he is available in any way shape or form without a young stud coming back our way.

Edmonton's #7 pick is too far down the order for us to consider packaging Gards + 21 (guys like Lindholm will probably be off the board)

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Hemsky + 7th overall for Gardner + Fratten + 21 overall.... BOOK IT
This is horrendous for the Leafs. Gardiner alone is probably worth something in the area of the 7th OV, Hemsky wouldn't fetch 1st + Frattin from us.

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06-20-2013, 10:23 AM
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I don't know, why did Gardiner spend so much time mulling the in AHL post lock out ?
You probably don't follow hockey that closely so here you go

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...to-nhl-season/

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06-20-2013, 10:24 AM
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I don't know, why did Gardiner spend so much time mulling the in AHL post lock out ?
Had no choice needed to get his game back from a concussion thats common knowledge

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06-20-2013, 10:25 AM
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D'amigo will likely make the Leafs this year and has progressed very nicely every year since he was drafted...

Not sure why they would trade him

Holtzer sure..
D'Amigo will have a hard time fiting on a Carlyle team though.

He doesn't add versatility by being a center, he isn't good enough offensively to play ahead of Kessel, Kulemin, Frattin, JVR, Lupul. The number 6 winger need to bring some offence or be a shutdown guy (and if he's being used in defensive zone faceoffs he needs to be able to take faceoffs if necessary like Komarov).

Carlyle uses two bruisers on the 4th line a lot in Orr and McLaren.

Unless D'Amigo becomes adds another dimension to his game like faceoff ability, fighting, being a pest I don't think he has a role with a Carlyle team.

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06-20-2013, 10:26 AM
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Sorry dude, the value isn't there and the Oilers aren't looking for a 5/6 RHD.
Franson would be the 2nd best defenceman in the Oilers organization...

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06-20-2013, 10:30 AM
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You probably don't follow hockey that closely so here you go

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...to-nhl-season/
I'd love to link to you the umpteen thousand articles that Pension Plan Puppets was posting about it.
Your very own bloggers.
Not to mention all the the twitter whining... if I had a dollar for every tweet I read complaining about Kostka playing over Gardiner...


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06-20-2013, 10:41 AM
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I agree with many posters here and think that the Eakins connection will bring some players from Toronto to Edmonton. Though I do not believe it will be any of the Toronto Maple Leafs players. Gardiner for a pick is a pipe dream, same goes for Franson.

My guess is Colborne. He's NHL ready now (we'll see how good he is this year) and has size that Edmonton desparately needs and is a Center. Also Eakins knows Colborne well and trusts him. He's also from Alberta...it just makes sense.

I hope the Leafs keep him though. I have a good feeling about Colborne.

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Yes because washed up players who have become analysts could never spout BS right
He's very well connected around the league. You not liking him doesn't change that fact.

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I'd love to link to you the umpteen thousand articles that Pension Plan Puppets was posting about it.
You're very own bloggers.
Not to mention all the the twitter whining... if I had a dollar for every tweet I read complaining about Kostka playing over Gardiner...
Every Leaf fan complained because we all know how good Gardiner is, Carlyle for whatever reason is hellbent stubborn on playing certain guys.

When you have Kostka / Fraser playing 22+ mins a night with Gardiner watching from the bench the coach is being an asshat.

Once Gardiner was inserted into the lineup the entire series shifted. He was our best D in the series along with Franson.

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Or it could mean he's speculating and considering the fact that the Maple Leafs and Oilers are two huge fanbases, people will flock to his Twitter/website to see what it's all about.


He gets plenty of attention as one of the analysts on a very popular daily hockey show so he hardly needs to drum up attention.

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gardiner for 7 seems fair
Fair to who? No one with s ound mind. Gardiner is a top 4 guy with #1 potential and elite offensive skillset. #7 pick? Crapshoot.

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06-20-2013, 10:45 AM
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Colborne is a possibility actually

What would be coming the other way however

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06-20-2013, 10:49 AM
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Ranger and kulemin for gagner signing

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Colborne is a possibility actually

What would be coming the other way however
The only way it addresses both team's needs is if Colborne is used in a move up scenario to acquire a Center the Leafs like and the Oilers use their pick to move down and get an NHL ready center with size to augment their young and tiny forward group yet still get a good prospect in this deep draft.

So my guess is that a potential draft day trade including our 21st overall + Colborne (and maybe something else like a D man) for the Edmonton 7th.

Just my guess though. I don't see edmonton wanting to hang on to a 7th overall pick as it won't help them for 2-4 years. They have so many high picks already that they need to augment their team with NHL ready players int he right age group otherwise they'll continue to stagnate.

Just my opinion though.

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