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06-20-2013, 07:04 AM
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Nino isn't asking for a trade.
Honestly I think Nino is doing everything but asking for a trade. he never comes up in anything positive news, its always did not report, or threw a hissy fit..etc I am not doubting the kid hockey skills, just maybe the fact he has become a distraction for a team that did very well last year. Honestly with a goalie(bernie))) i think they might have knocked out the penguins. At this point would you not swap nino plus something maybe second rounder or a b prospect for bernier??

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06-20-2013, 07:11 AM
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Since there is all this value for us trade cammi and tanguay next year why didnt you guys get the value this year?

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06-20-2013, 07:52 AM
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You can downplay him not going to camp, but for a kid that hasn't made too many good impressions on people, it says something about his drive. Personally, I wouldnt give anything for him. Every year there are busts, if you can't spot this one, you might be blind to them. Too many negatives so early in a career.

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06-20-2013, 07:59 AM
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Elaborate? How is Nino a proven head case?
Just ignore that guy, he always makes ridiculous posts.

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Not a fan of his entitled attitude. Maybe that will change on a differant team. Most i'd offer is Omark and Hairtikanen.

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06-20-2013, 08:58 AM
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To NY Islanders:

#22 pick 2013 draft


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Danny Kristo + #71 pick 2013 draft


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Nino Niederreiter



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06-20-2013, 09:09 AM
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Can I see a quote from Nino showing this "hissy fit attitude" that everyone keeps spewing on about?

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06-20-2013, 09:17 AM
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Nino is one of the Islanders top prospects, if he were to be dealt, ii would be for another team's top prospect (Like Kassian/Hodgson), or in a package to bring in a legitmate NHLer.

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06-20-2013, 09:49 AM
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Nino is one of the Islanders top prospects, if he were to be dealt, ii would be for another team's top prospect (Like Kassian/Hodgson), or in a package to bring in a legitmate NHLer.

There is no way Nino is worth anything close to Hodgson at this point.

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06-20-2013, 10:06 AM
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So pick #38 or #52?

Buffalo did well with the last "headcase" they took on in Hodgson
There is a difference between "wanting more ice time" and having your camp harass for ice time. Botchford stated when he was having coffee with Gilman/Gillis that the phone would ring and it'd be the Hodgson camp talking about ice time...

Not only that, but he's abysmal on the defensive side of the game. It may be more easily worked around in the East but in the West it just is too tight. To put it in perspective opponents would average 3.64 Goals Against per 60 Minutes 5 on 5 vs Hodgson, while he would score 2.9 Goals for per 60 Minutes 5 on 5 (which is impressive I will admit). He is 24th most scored against forward in the league out of 665 players.


I can admit if Hodgson cleans up his defensive game, this becomes a lopsided trade for the Sabres. However if Kassian becomes even half the player Bertuzzi was, well... then that's a different story.

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06-20-2013, 10:19 AM
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The Islanders will get the best value, IMO, from a player in a similar position.

A high draft choice who is struggling or requesting a trade but still shows all the same upside as Nino. A guy like Alexander Burmistrov or something. It's a matter of finding the right fit so taht everyone can come home thinking that they won.

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06-20-2013, 10:30 AM
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Honestly I think Nino is doing everything but asking for a trade. he never comes up in anything positive news, its always did not report, or threw a hissy fit..etc I am not doubting the kid hockey skills, just maybe the fact he has become a distraction for a team that did very well last year. Honestly with a goalie(bernie))) i think they might have knocked out the penguins. At this point would you not swap nino plus something maybe second rounder or a b prospect for bernier??
To me, this situation is like Vish staying in Europe because he had a personal matter or Nabby not wanting to report because of his own situation. Minor player stuff that get easily resolved between the player and the team. But, in the meantime the interweb slows to a crawl with hysterical threads about how the Isles are screwed along with the requisite PlayStation trade proposals.

In reality, there is basically nothing happening here. Nino just finished a major international tournament, and opted not to attend an OPTIONAL prospect camp. I have seen no evidence that anybody in the organization is irked and all the silly hysterics aside, nobody here has a vague clue. Heck, I doubt anybody here even has a vague sense of how the Isles determine who comes to prospect camp.

I do believe that Snow et all are annoyed with Nino's agent and the drama last summer. But, I see no real evidence that this current situation is anything at all. It is certainly not the case that Nino is anymore likely to be traded today than yesterday.

Whether it makes sense to trade him for Berneir is an entirely different issue. That would be a hockey decision .

He is certainly NOT getting moved for packages of meh vets, late picks, etc.


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Too me, this situation is like Vish staying in Europe because he had a personal matter or Nabby not wanting to report because of his own situation. Minor player stuff that get easily resolved between the player and the team. But, in the meantime the interweb slows to a crawl with hysterical threads about how the Isles are screwed along with the requisite PlayStation trade proposals.

In reality, there is basically nothing happening here. Nino just finished a major international tournament, and opted not to attend an OPTIONAL prospect camp. I have seen no evidence that anybody in the organization is irked and all the silly hysterics aside, nobody here has a vague clue. Heck, I doubt anybody here even has a vague sense of how the Isles determine who comes to prospect camp.

I do believe that Snow et all are annoyed with Nino's agent and the drama last summer. But, I see no real evidence that this current situation is anything at all. It is certainly not the case that Nino is anymore likely to be traded today than yesterday.

Whether it makes sense to trade him for Berneir is an entirely different issue. That would be a hockey decision .

He is certainly NOT getting moved for packages of meh vets, late picks, etc.
Well said Darth. I think people are making a mountain over a molehill to justify trying to fleece the Isles of a valuable asset.

If there is any story, it will be revealed at Training Camp. Until then, I go by what we know and that he's back in his home country of Switzerland and he's doing everything in his power to prepare and win a spot on the NHL roster next season.

If the Isles do decide to trade him, I would think it would be in a package deal to bring in an impact positional player.

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I mentioned this on page 1 but didn't get much response, but what about

Columbus
Nino Niedereitter

New York
Ryan Johansen

Kids picked in the same draft at #4 and #5.

Both off to slowish starts to their NHL careers.

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I mentioned this on page 1 but didn't get much response, but what about

Columbus
Nino Niedereitter

New York
Ryan Johansen

Kids picked in the same draft at #4 and #5.

Both off to slowish starts to their NHL careers.
I am guessing Johansen has slightly more value

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I mentioned this on page 1 but didn't get much response, but what about

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Nino Niedereitter

New York
Ryan Johansen

Kids picked in the same draft at #4 and #5.

Both off to slowish starts to their NHL careers.
Isles are pretty strong up the middle, but at least there is value to this one.

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There is no way Nino is worth anything close to Hodgson at this point.
Did you read my post? I wasn't proposing Hodgson for Nino right now, I was using the Hodgson/Kassian deal as an example of what type of trade Nino would be involved in.

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I mentioned this on page 1 but didn't get much response, but what about

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New York
Ryan Johansen

Kids picked in the same draft at #4 and #5.

Both off to slowish starts to their NHL careers.
Good value but Isles are deepest down the middle (Tavares, Strome, Nelson, Nielsen, Cizikas... someone is obviously being shifted to wing at some point). Need a top line wing (which Nino might be) or a shutdown D. Nino for Bernier would also be a good starting point but I think Nino only gets traded in a package with a first rounder...

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Did you read my post? I wasn't proposing Hodgson for Nino right now, I was using the Hodgson/Kassian deal as an example of what type of trade Nino would be involved in.
If the Isles want to trade Nino, I would think he would be packaged with other assets (1st rounder?) to acquire an impact positional player. Otherwise, I see no point in dealing him by himself.

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The Islanders will get the best value, IMO, from a player in a similar position.

A high draft choice who is struggling or requesting a trade but still shows all the same upside as Nino. A guy like Alexander Burmistrov or something. It's a matter of finding the right fit so taht everyone can come home thinking that they won.
Ryan Ellis or Jon Blum?

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Ryan Ellis or Jon Blum?
That might work. Haven't seen much of them but if either projects as a top 4 shutdown D the Isles would definitely listen.

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this is one of the worst trade proposals value wise that I have ever seen...

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If the Isles want to trade Nino, I would think he would be packaged with other assets (1st rounder?) to acquire an impact positional player. Otherwise, I see no point in dealing him by himself.
I also mentioned a package deal in my previous post. That is more likely to happen than a swap, but we have seen Nino for Bernier talked about.

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this is one of the worst trade proposals value wise that I have ever seen...
Agreed.

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