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06-20-2013, 11:34 AM
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He served his time, did everything this organization asked for him and deserves to be bought out and allowed to play else where.

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06-20-2013, 11:35 AM
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Unless the Leafs plan on going right to the cap it makes no sense. He went through waivers last year but that was with 2 years at full salary. If he(Komi) feels a team will still take him in the NHL and the Leafs are holding him back then have his agent shop around. The Leafs can now trade him and eat half his salary - win/win/win - The Leafs get some cap room($2.25), Komi gets a shot at again in the NHL and new team gets a fairly cheap look at him for 1 year.

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Komi has zero value and needs to be bought out. that 3.5 caphit is needed with the cap going down.

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06-20-2013, 11:42 AM
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Thought he'd have a bounce back season

Anyway, the buyout makes sense. IIRC this is the last year teams get to use up to two "free" buyouts. May as well use it on the worst contract on the team. Brings nothing to the Leafs we don't already have, eats up 4.5mil and doesn't even play on the big team.

Other than Komi, there aren't really any candidates on the Leafs to be bought-out.


And before it gets brought up, trading for a player and buying him out for 20mil might seem like a good way to get a few picks, but realistically I don't think MLSE would be too happy with that approach.

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06-20-2013, 11:48 AM
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What doesn't make sense is those of you who thought we would acquire Lecavalier and DiPietro and buy them out for some assets on the side. A move like that would cost MLSE just over 80 million dollars. Get real guys

Buying him out was a gentleman's act to see if he can find work elsewhere in the NHL.

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06-20-2013, 11:49 AM
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]Komisarek has no value. Not claimed for free on waivers and he was bad for the Marlies.[/B]
You can't bury players anymore. The cap hit stays for the most part.

He's the only player that fits the compliance buyout and he will be bought out no matter what.

He's done as a Toronto Maple Leaf.
That's true , in fact he has a negative value. We could trade a 3rd + Komi to a team for a 7thin return. They make an asset for taking him to the year. I'd rather give up a 3rd and not waste an am buyout on a player with a single year left.

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06-20-2013, 11:58 AM
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This makes zero sense and would be a mistake given he has 1 year left and to use 1 of our 2 buyouts on him

This would mean its less likely were bringing in an expensive contract with assets

This would be a lost opportunity to get a great prospect for nothing but cash which according to everyone were overflowing with and willing to spend it...This actually says the opposite if true
Actually when you remove $4.5 mil of dead weight and recover that amount with no cap consequences due to compliance buyout, it actually makes it more likely we're bringing in an expensive contract.

You free up cap space because you need it, not when you don't.

Who really knows who that might be, but that $4.5 mil might be earmarked for Clarkson or Weiss, or whomever else might be available to reinvest in.

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06-20-2013, 12:22 PM
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This $4.5 million is worse than Jeff Finger...what were our pro scouts thinking???

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Who said he is getting bought out?

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06-20-2013, 12:43 PM
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Komisarek has no value. Not claimed for free on waivers and he was bad for the Marlies.

You can't bury players anymore. The cap hit stays for the most part.

He's the only player that fits the compliance buyout and he will be bought out no matter what.

He's done as a Toronto Maple Leaf.
Agreed 100%

This notion of "wasting" a compliance buy-out on Komisarek is ridiculous. We don't get to hold onto them forever and use one down the road...

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06-20-2013, 12:52 PM
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I'm sure Nonis has tried trading him, but if rumors of us taking on salary or going after Clarkson and Weiss are true, we likely needed the cap space before July 5th.

Either way, it's not worth getting upset over since the return would have likely been a late round pick at best.
Pretty much.

Lots of people here talk about us acquiring similar guys, Horcoff for example, and have the other team chip in assets. Yet we seem to think that people will give up assets for our garbage as opposed to asking for the same thing we'd expect to get picking up a guy like Horcoff.

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06-20-2013, 01:02 PM
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To be honest, I think Komi is the only candidate. Otherwise, we can utilize our buyout options in transactions to help bail out other teams in exchange for assets.

The notion of using buyouts on Grabo and Liles is ludicrous. These guys can still contribute effectively at the NHL level, and although their salaries seem bloated at the moment, they are both capable of bouncing back with solid seasons next year. I would keep Liles and Grabo as trade bait down the road.
Firstly - I don't think this is a credible rumour - just something being hammered by the media - but with no foundation to it.

I think using it on Komi is stupid. If you ate $1mill of his contract - I'm sure you could move him to a cap floor team where they'd only have to pay $2.5 to get a $4.5 cap hit. If not - just wait the year, and try to move him at the deadline to team needing depth & experience.

I think the only real candidate for buy we should have would be Grabo - but the smart money is on waiting a year to see if he can improve his numbers before using it.

Liles could be moved - one way or another - it doesn't make any sense to use one him.

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06-20-2013, 01:06 PM
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The NHL provided teams 2 X compliance buyouts for just such a purpose as getting out of a contract mistake like Komisarek.

If you look up compliance buyout in the dictionary, it would have Komisarek's picture as a reference.

This one would fall under the rather obvious category as to one of Nonis upcoming moves, baring some unforeseen circumstance arriving. IMO

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06-20-2013, 01:06 PM
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With salary cap trading, we can do a deal where we ate 2 million of his contract much alike the lombardi deal.

2.5 cap hit is good value for komisarek as a 5th D. 7th rounder or future considerations is good enough. Unless 2million prevents us from signing a top free agents, we don't absolutely need to buy out komi

He was pretty solid for the 10 games he played with RC until his "secret" fiberglass in eye injury. I think the coach just soured on him and he's been benched since.

The amnesty buy out is a tool that we can leverage for 2014. Grabo/Liles/Dipietro. Take on a team's player for picks/prospects and use our fat stack to pay bills that other teams don't want to pay.


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06-20-2013, 01:11 PM
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With salary cap trading, we can do a deal where we ate 2 million of his contract much alike the lombardi deal.

2.5 cap hit is good value for komisarek. 7th rounder or future considerations is good enough.

He was pretty solid for the 10 games he played with RC until his "secret" fiberglass in eye injury. I think the coach just soured on him and he's been benched since.

The amnesty buy out is a tool that we can leverage for 2014. Grabo/Liles/Dipietro. Take on a team's player for picks/prospects and use our fat stack to pay bills that other teams don't want to pay.
What if teams don't want to give up picks and buyout themselves?

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06-20-2013, 01:12 PM
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Also, does anyone know what the compliance buyout looks like on MLSEs books?

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Also, does anyone know what the compliance buyout looks like on MLSEs books?
It'll be the number in Red.

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It'll be the number in Red.
No ****. I'm asking about cap hits.

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No ****. I'm asking about cap hits.
There are no cap hits for Compliance Buyouts.

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If the Leafs were not to use the compliance buyout, and instead a regular buyout of Komisarek, then the organization would have the following tied up in buyout cap hit.

2013-2014
Armstrong: $1,000,000
Tucker: $1,000,000
Komisarek: $2,166,667
Total Cap Hit: $4,166,667

2014-2015
Komisarek: $1,166,667
Total Cap Hit: $1,166,667

For this upcoming season, the Leafs would have cap room of $60,133,333 if the Leafs were to use regular buyout on Komisarek. However, if the Leafs do not use any buyout on Komisarek, then the Leafs would have $57,800,000 cap room for this upcoming season.

It's safe to say that Komisarek will be bought out to save $2,333,333 of cap space for the team to be able to sign players to fill the roster. Seeing Komisarek is dead cap space it makes sense for the Leafs to at least explore the regular buyout if they want to use the two compliance buyouts to gain assets from other teams.

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06-20-2013, 01:22 PM
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There are no cap hits for Compliance Buyouts.
As I thought. Wanted to check.

I'd say it makes zero sense to eat some of his cap hit in order to get a late round pick. We'd be much better off with the additional cap room this year/offseason

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What if teams don't want to give up picks and buyout themselves?
lol that's an obvious question? Ofcourse teams can buy out themselves and pay no picks.

BUT does the owner want to pay the bill. For example: Dipietro buyout is $24 million dollars. Does the islanders want to pay 24 million dollars or give up a prospect or a pick and pay $2.5 million for Komi.

Another alternative is that we get pronger from the flyers and they get komi. pronger is never going to play again and flyers get a serviceable Dman.

trading komi for picks for overpriced contract is probably going to be a rich man-poor man's trade. Let's face it, we got franson because Nashville didn't want to pay lombardi. Not every team thrives on a fanbase that pays for overpriced tickets and subpar hockey for a decade. A lot of the small market teams lose money and if they don't make the playoffs or put on a good on-ice product, they're done.


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I'm sure Nonis did try and trade Komisarek and I find it a bit surprising no one would take on his contract considering that he only has 1 year left. However if they use this extra salary cap space hopefully Nonis will spend it the right way.

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I'm sure Nonis did try and trade Komisarek and I find it a bit surprising no one would take on his contract considering that he only has 1 year left. However if they use this extra salary cap space hopefully Nonis will spend it the right way.
Exactly. I'm sure Nonis is pleased to just erase that 4.5 off our cap and put it to good use this summer.

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