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06-20-2013, 11:51 AM
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Actually that's better than never. We may all die before the Leafs win the Cup.
Some people simply lack the patience to build a winner.

Year 1 for Nonis was mostly clean-up and recovery.

This is Nonis first draft, first UFA season and I expect as the article implies he is anxious to mold this team into a winner eventually. Sounds like he has numerous irons in the fire and waiting for things to unfold in the next few weeks.

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06-20-2013, 12:02 PM
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Sorry but theres a lot wrong with this post. Horcoff is 35 coming into next season and has had injury problems. If people thought Grabo is overpaid for no production, I can only imagine the hate Hemsky would get over here. The guy hasn't had a full season since 2005. He put up 71 points in 2007 and has declined ever since. All for getting rid of Grabo because he doesn't "fit". You want defence but want to get rid of one?

Horcoff's cap hit is 5.5
Hemsky cap hit is 5

Grabovski cap hit is 5.5
Liles cap hit is 3.8

The deal handcuffs the Leafs. We take on more salary just to get rid of a guy who will probably put up better numbers than both? How do we even win this deal or even get better in the process and sign these free agents to "good deals" if we're being handcuffed by those 2? Grabo is younger than both guys and put up similar numbers to Hemsky if not better and isn't injury prone. People hate Grabovski, they'd never stop talking about how Hemsky or Horcoff suck.
This...I agree 100%...
If we are to make deals, shouldn't they put us in a better position...
Neither of these palyers do...

I'd rather move Grabovski/Liles for some midround picks...at least we'd benefit from the cap savings...

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06-20-2013, 12:18 PM
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Good. I wouldn't mind if we acquired Hemsky and Horcoff from Edmonton if we could give them Grabovski and Liles in return. Nonis also has some work to do on trying to get Weiss and Clarkson to sign here on decent deals and acquire some depth on defense, our fourth line and possibly goaltending.

Although Grabovski is an obviously better and more valuable player than Horcoff at this stage, I really don't think he fits with this team going forward. He isn't a 3rd line player in Carlyle's system and Horcoff brings veteran leadership, can win faceoffs and plays a good defensive game. Hemsky would be a nice addition to our top 6, but I'm not sure he can stay healthy long enough to be effective. This may seem like a poor move for Nonis to make, but I think it would make the team better this season.

JvR-Weiss-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Hemsky
Kulemin-Horcoff-Clarkson

That top 9 looks pretty good.
Don't want ANYTHING to do with Hemsky. I get the feeling Horcoff will be a compliance buy out. If that happens, then I wouldn't be totally upset signing him for 1.5 mil.

I really get the feeling too that Bozak has played his last game for the leafs. And I really hope we're able to move Grabo & Liles, and I wouldn't be upset if we got a 1B for Reimer.

I wouldn't mind this as a lineup next year, haven't crunched numbers or anything though

JVR-Weiss/Stastny-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Kulemin-xxxxx-Frattin
Orr/McLaren-McClemment-Torres?

Phaneuf-Gunnar
Gardiner-Franson
Fraser-Scuderi
Holzer

Reimer
Bernier/Backstrom/Smith/even Scrivens

edit: Just found out Torres extended with Sharks, so nix that

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06-20-2013, 12:26 PM
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I worry about that myself. Horton seems injury prone and has some hatred for Phaneuf. Is it a good fit? Seems unlikely.
I would be surprised if Horton left Boston to come to Toronto or any other team for that matter. He spent 5 miserable seasons in FLA and he's got a chance to win a couple more cups in Boston if he stays. Unless someone offers him ridiculous term and money, I don't think he goes anywhere.

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06-20-2013, 12:27 PM
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Don't want ANYTHING to do with Hemsky. I get the feeling Horcoff will be a compliance buy out. If that happens, then I wouldn't be totally upset signing him for 1.5 mil.

I really get the feeling too that Bozak has played his last game for the leafs. And I really hope we're able to move Grabo & Liles, and I wouldn't be upset if we got a 1B for Reimer.

I wouldn't mind this as a lineup next year, haven't crunched numbers or anything though

JVR-Weiss/Stastny-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Kulemin-xxxxx-Frattin
Orr/McLaren-McClemment-Torres?

Phaneuf-Gunnar
Gardiner-Franson
Fraser-Scuderi
Holzer

Reimer
Bernier/Backstrom/Smith/even Scrivens

edit: Just found out Torres extended with Sharks, so nix that
Agreed, Hemsky would be in RC's doghouse before the season even began. If you think Kessel was soft, you'd love Hemsky... a softer Tim Conolly if that is even possible...

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06-20-2013, 12:45 PM
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I would be surprised if Horton left Boston to come to Toronto or any other team for that matter. He spent 5 miserable seasons in FLA and he's got a chance to win a couple more cups in Boston if he stays. Unless someone offers him ridiculous term and money, I don't think he goes anywhere.
Boston will have a say in whether he's brought back as well.

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06-20-2013, 12:51 PM
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The part I love from this article is that Nonis sees the value in waiting until after the draft before committing any money to guys like Bozak & MacArther (who seem to be his "Plan B" ). It seems like he feels he will be able to definately upgrade our team in the next 2 weeks - so I'm stoked.

My bet for Nonis' plan is:

a) create cap space - either with a compliance buy out, and / or moving a body at the draft (ie: Liles) for litte return

b) Try to make a deal or two on draft week-end - either a) take on a horrible contract to buy out from another team in exchange for assets, or b) a solid hockey deal - moving from a position of strengh for a position of need or c) getting a guy on the cheap because of anothers team need to shed $$ (see: Statsny)

c) Assess who is available on July 5th (which will change after buy-outs) to see what reasonable upgrades we can make.

d) See what's left, and THEN start resigning our guys based on what the team looks like

He has a solid plan - and I for one think we'll be a step or two closer to contender status by July 10th

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Boston will have a say in whether he's brought back as well.
Yes, Boston will have a say. They will welcome Horton back no problem after he posted 19 points in 20 games (and counting) in these playoffs. Not including his performance two years prior when the Bruins won the cup Horton posted 17 points in 21 games, so it's safe to say he will be given an offer from Boston.

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Also ... apparently Nonis has been having a lot of talks with Edmonton ... while everyone assumes EDM would demand Gardiner or Reilly - I personally think a guy like Franson / Gunnar would suit their needs better as they would want a top 4 D entering his prime, not wanting to wait for more development. The pressure is on MacT to win now.

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06-20-2013, 01:37 PM
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Good. I wouldn't mind if we acquired Hemsky and Horcoff from Edmonton if we could give them Grabovski and Liles in return.
Hell no, that's brutal.

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Let's just hope that Nonis plans on making the right moves. I'm sure we all remember a few years ago when Brian Burke said how July 1st was his draft day and I believe that's when he signed Colby Armstrong, well we remember how great his Leafs career turned out to be. Plus the night before free agency started he also traded for Kris Versteeg and he didn't even last a full season with the Leafs before he getting traded to the Flyers.

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Also ... apparently Nonis has been having a lot of talks with Edmonton ... while everyone assumes EDM would demand Gardiner or Reilly - I personally think a guy like Franson / Gunnar would suit their needs better as they would want a top 4 D entering his prime, not wanting to wait for more development. The pressure is on MacT to win now.
Between Franson and Gunnarson I would rather have Nonis try and trade them Gunnarson, because I don't want the Leafs lossing Franson's shot from the blue line.

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06-20-2013, 01:43 PM
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My hopes for Nonis this summer, simple.

Improve the team without trading young guys with potential (GARDINER!!)

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I think this will be a good off season. Plus it seems there is a deal In place with the oilers. In Nonis we trust

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Between Franson and Gunnarson I would rather have Nonis try and trade them Gunnarson, because I don't want the Leafs lossing Franson's shot from the blue line.
I agree, Gunnarsson is steadier but whenever I see Franson on the powerplay I get that Bryan McCabe feeling. Maybe him and Gardiner could develop some more chemistry and become Kaberle-McCabe version 2.0

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I would be surprised if Horton left Boston to come to Toronto or any other team for that matter. He spent 5 miserable seasons in FLA and he's got a chance to win a couple more cups in Boston if he stays. Unless someone offers him ridiculous term and money, I don't think he goes anywhere.
I dont imagine the Leafs would be on Horton's prefered destinations and I agree he is likely willing to take slightly less cash to remain in Boston. A team like Edmonton will probably offer him a big package to sign. He fits the bill of what they are looking to do, surround young players with some grit and leadership.

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06-20-2013, 02:18 PM
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To Tor

Yakupov
7th overall
Horcoff
Hemsky

To Edm

Gardiner
21st overall
2nd pick 2013
Matt Finn
JML

Toronto then buys Horcoff and keep hemsky for one more year


JVR Kadri Kessel
Yakupov Grabovski Lupul
Kulemin Joe Colborne Hemsky
Orr Mcclement Frattin


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To Tor

Yakupov
7th overall
Horcoff
Hemsky

To Edm

Gardiner
21st overall
2nd pick 2013
Matt Finn
JML

Toronto then buys Horcoff and keep hemsky for one more year


JVR Kadri Kessel
Yakupov Grabovski Lupul
Kulemin Joe Colborne Hemsky
Orr Mcclement Frattin

First of all, Edmonton wouldn't do that trade

Second of all,

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If Bozak wants too much, is there any possibility that the Leafs can trade for Sam Gagner from the Oilers? What would it take to get him? Gagner is going to want (I'm guessing) 4.5-5M per season. I think most people would pay that to him over Bozak.

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If Bozak wants too much, is there any possibility that the Leafs can trade for Sam Gagner from the Oilers? What would it take to get him? Gagner is going to want (I'm guessing) 4.5-5M per season. I think most people would pay that to him over Bozak.
Wouldn't Edmonton just sign him as a UFA if the Leafs don't?

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Wouldn't Edmonton just sign him as a UFA if the Leafs don't?
I didn't mean trade Bozak for Gagner.

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just don't think another small centre like gagner is the answer. plus he sucks at faceoffs

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Yes, Boston will have a say. They will welcome Horton back no problem after he posted 19 points in 20 games (and counting) in these playoffs. Not including his performance two years prior when the Bruins won the cup Horton posted 17 points in 21 games, so it's safe to say he will be given an offer from Boston.
another hockeydb warrior. Too bad Boston has no money for Horton. No way he re-signs there

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Would rather keep Gunnarsson than franson.

Franson is a specialist in the offensive zone. He has bad mobility, subpar puck movement and terrible in his own zone. We already have Gardiner and Rielly who will be better than Franson as Offensive Dmen.

Gunnarson is a good puck mover and a solid defender in his own zone. We need more of these not less.

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Hope we go after Horton.
I think I heard its pretty positive Horton wants to stay in Boston, and they are willing to pay him the money.

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