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06-20-2013, 01:42 PM
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Great trade for Oiler Nation!!

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06-20-2013, 02:12 PM
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I am guessing Johansen has slightly more value
I would agree, but like you said, slgihtly.

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Isles are pretty strong up the middle, but at least there is value to this one.
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Good value but Isles are deepest down the middle (Tavares, Strome, Nelson, Nielsen, Cizikas... someone is obviously being shifted to wing at some point). Need a top line wing (which Nino might be) or a shutdown D. Nino for Bernier would also be a good starting point but I think Nino only gets traded in a package with a first rounder...
I know the Isles are deep down the middle.. but Johansen played pretty much all of his shifts this year on the RW (but he did also take the most faceoffs of any Blue Jacket this year).

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06-20-2013, 02:19 PM
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To me, this situation is like Vish staying in Europe because he had a personal matter or Nabby not wanting to report because of his own situation. Minor player stuff that get easily resolved between the player and the team. But, in the meantime the interweb slows to a crawl with hysterical threads about how the Isles are screwed along with the requisite PlayStation trade proposals.

In reality, there is basically nothing happening here. Nino just finished a major international tournament, and opted not to attend an OPTIONAL prospect camp. I have seen no evidence that anybody in the organization is irked and all the silly hysterics aside, nobody here has a vague clue. Heck, I doubt anybody here even has a vague sense of how the Isles determine who comes to prospect camp.

I do believe that Snow et all are annoyed with Nino's agent and the drama last summer. But, I see no real evidence that this current situation is anything at all. It is certainly not the case that Nino is anymore likely to be traded today than yesterday.

Whether it makes sense to trade him for Berneir is an entirely different issue. That would be a hockey decision .

He is certainly NOT getting moved for packages of meh vets, late picks, etc.
I agree with most of what you said, But honestly the only news I really ever hear about islanders is that of nino's. Then again I am in Canada lol where is he on your prospects/assets?? I realize he is close to be playing with the big club permanently I just think if you can swap him for Bernier the Islanders would be further ahead. But thats a whole other thread...

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06-20-2013, 02:45 PM
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That might work. Haven't seen much of them but if either projects as a top 4 shutdown D the Isles would definitely listen.
Ryan Ellis a top 4 shutdown D?

Didn't even look him up, let alone know anything about him did you?

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06-20-2013, 02:54 PM
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Ryan Ellis a top 4 shutdown D?

Didn't even look him up, let alone know anything about him did you?
I admitted as much and was open to hearing more. Is there something wrong with that?

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06-20-2013, 03:07 PM
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The Nino situation right now is essentially this…

You spent a lot of your savings buying a ton of shares of a stock at $10/share. The company looks like it’s going to take off and may be worth $100/share in a few years. However in the short term some earnings reports came out a bit sour and now the stock is worth about $4/share. You still believe in the company as they are going to launch a great new product in a year or two and that is when things should take off.

Since most of your savings are tied up here do you sell your shares now and take a 60% loss, or do you hang on for the potential big gain in about two years? In fact might you even buy MORE stock in the company now that the price is lower…

For me to trade Nino now would be a significant loss. Instead the Islanders should “buy more stock” in Nino by doing whatever possible to develop Nino and help him reach his full potential, which I believe is great.

So far the Islanders themselves are mostly to blame for Nino’s stock being low. You dangled a full year in the NHL to a 19 year old when he was years from being ready and now you wonder why their seems to be an “attitude problem.” It’s like setting up a 15 year old with a Victoria’s Secret model for a year and then she moves away. You think it’s easy for him to adjust to dating girls like Veronica from algebra now? The kid doesn’t want to be traded as much as he foaming at the mouth to be BACK in the NHL.

Nino is 20 now. Not too many 20 year olds having good success in the NHL. He needs to mature both mentally and physically, but there is serious potential there and I believe in the kid. In this world where we have our hands glued to our iPhones can we please let the kid mature the way most kids do? I promise both Nino and the Isles will be better off for it a few years down the line.

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06-20-2013, 03:30 PM
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I admitted as much and was open to hearing more. Is there something wrong with that?
He's like 5'10" and more like a powerplay quarterback specialist as his only thing.

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a 2nd + a prospect?

he hasn't proven anything at the NHL level

If he had, he would be staying with the Islanders.

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a 2nd + a prospect?

he hasn't proven anything at the NHL level

If he had, he would be staying with the Islanders.
If all the Islanders get in trade offers are similar to trade proposals here I am pretty certain he will be staying wit the Islanders

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06-20-2013, 03:55 PM
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If all the Islanders get in trade offers are similar to trade proposals here I am pretty certain he will be staying wit the Islanders
which is fine

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06-20-2013, 04:07 PM
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I think Nino could be had, but like others only if it is going to impact a needed position. Bernier would be perfect in my opinion. It is just a matter of what the Isles have to add (and maybe it is a 2 king -multi Isles deal with a pick) but to trade Nino, the Isles have to benefit or he can come in and compete again.

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06-20-2013, 04:31 PM
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He's like 5'10" and more like a powerplay quarterback specialist as his only thing.
Thanks, all I was looking for. HF mentioned top 4 upside but we need size instead of PP QBs.

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a 2nd + a prospect?

he hasn't proven anything at the NHL level

If he had, he would be staying with the Islanders.
You know whos done less in the NHL?

The 2nd round pick and the prospect you would propose...

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06-20-2013, 05:18 PM
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This guy's value has dropped from his 5th overall selection, but he's still got considerable value.

I was a little cautious about him, but have thought about it more, and he would be a great addition to Calgary. Plus I think he'd be willing to move here to play with former teamate and countryman Sven Beartschi.

Do the Isles have any interest in vets? Tanguay, Cammalleri, Sarich, or Stempniak would be on the table.

Also, Calgary's two other 1sts. The 22nd overall, in this year's deeper draft, could net a good replacement for Nino.

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06-20-2013, 05:23 PM
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This guy's value has dropped from his 5th overall selection, but he's still got considerable value.

I was a little cautious about him, but have thought about it more, and he would be a great addition to Calgary. Plus I think he'd be willing to move here to play with former teamate and countryman Sven Beartschi.

Do the Isles have any interest in vets? Tanguay, Cammalleri, Sarich, or Stempniak would be on the table.

Also, Calgary's two other 1sts. The 22nd overall, in this year's deeper draft, could net a good replacement for Nino.
Works for me. Sven Bartschi for Nino.

Maybe Picks or Prospects to even it out.

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This guy's value has dropped from his 5th overall selection, but he's still got considerable value.

I was a little cautious about him, but have thought about it more, and he would be a great addition to Calgary. Plus I think he'd be willing to move here to play with former teamate and countryman Sven Beartschi.

Do the Isles have any interest in vets? Tanguay, Cammalleri, Sarich, or Stempniak would be on the table.

Also, Calgary's two other 1sts. The 22nd overall, in this year's deeper draft, could net a good replacement for Nino.
I agree. I think Calgary and NYI would make good trading partners in this case.

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06-20-2013, 05:35 PM
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These deals for lower picks and prospects are all lame. Honestly, I would much rather the Isles just keep Niederreiter. Either he straightens-out or he busts. Same can be said for the picks and prospects they acquire. Moreover, additional picks and prospects won't do anything for the Isles anyway... they are already going to be hitting contract limits with their prospect glut.

People may deem (correctly or incorrectly) that Niederreiter's value is low. But they are incorrectly assuming that he HAS to be traded. If anything, Garth Snow has specific examples where he has shown that he WILL NOT trade a player when it is assumed that he must or should (ie Vishnosvsky and Nabokov).

Will Neiderreiter be traded? I dunno. But I can't see him being dealt just for the sake of being dealt... since Snow has never done such a thing. If anything, I see Neiderreiter being packaged for an accomplished mid-twenty something or old.

Personally, I would hope that he is one of several components for Bobby Ryan. Hopefully, the ducks would see Neiderreiter as a good fit with the rest of their Swiss presence.

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Sven Baertschi, Nino Niederreiter. Two really difficult names to spell right. I looked up both to get it right. If they were ever traded for eachother, there are going to be a crazy amount of misspelled headlines.

I don't know about Calgary fans, but I'd do a Sven-Nino swap.

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I heard that NYI didn't even invite Nino to their prospects camp this year and that he requested a trade.

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I heard that NYI didn't even invite Nino to their prospects camp this year and that he requested a trade.

I heard that Taylor Hall requested a trade to the NYI.

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I heard that Taylor Hall requested a trade to the NYI.

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Works for me. Sven Bartschi for Nino.

Maybe Picks or Prospects to even it out.
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Sven Baertschi, Nino Niederreiter. Two really difficult names to spell right. I looked up both to get it right. If they were ever traded for eachother, there are going to be a crazy amount of misspelled headlines.

I don't know about Calgary fans, but I'd do a Sven-Nino swap.
This is like a bad game of telphone. No one suggested a Sven for Nino swap. The Flames would not do that. My point was the Flames want Nino to play with Sven.

Sven has a great attitude about the Flames and absolutely killed it at the end of the season. He looks like he may challenge for the Calder.

Nino seems to have a bad attitude towards the NYI and has yet to accomplish anything at the NHL level.

Calgary is not moving Sven, unless a Yakupov level prospect is coming back. Let's put it that way.

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This is like a bad game of telphone. No one suggested a Sven for Nino swap. The Flames would not do that. My point was the Flames want Nino to play with Sven.
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Right, and I'm sure the Isles would like Sven to play with Nino.

We'll send some expensive vets in the deal, maybe along with some picks, and we'll call it a trade.

We don't really have a player who is due to make 7 million next year, and hasn't scored above 20 goals since 2009. But, I'm sure we can dig up some assets to make this work.

Perhaps Dipietro? You do need goaltending.

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Terrible for the Islanders. Harti has signed in KHL.

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Right, and I'm sure the Isles would like Sven to play with Nino.

We'll send some expensive vets in the deal, maybe along with some picks, and we'll call it a trade.

We don't really have a player who is due to make 7 million next year, and hasn't scored above 20 goals since 2009. But, I'm sure we can dig up some assets to make this work.

Perhaps Dipietro? You do need goaltending.
Sounds good, do you have any 'owskis?

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