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06-20-2013, 03:24 PM
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To Tor

Yakupov
7th overall
Horcoff
Hemsky

To Edm

Gardiner
21st overall
2nd pick 2013
Matt Finn
JML

Toronto then buys Horcoff and keep hemsky for one more year


JVR Kadri Kessel
Yakupov Grabovski Lupul
Kulemin Joe Colborne Hemsky
Orr Mcclement Frattin


I don't think Edmonton is that stupid

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06-20-2013, 03:33 PM
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My hopes for Nonis this summer, simple.

Improve the team without trading young guys with potential (GARDINER!!)
and how would that be simple?

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06-20-2013, 03:35 PM
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My hopes are an upgrade on defense, an upgrade on Bozak while re-signing him for a 3rd line C role and getting rid of Grabovski pretty much.

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06-20-2013, 03:40 PM
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just don't think another small centre like gagner is the answer. plus he sucks at faceoffs
Ah Okay. I didn't know he sucked at faceoffs.

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06-20-2013, 03:48 PM
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To Tor

Yakupov
7th overall
Horcoff
Hemsky

To Edm

Gardiner
21st overall
2nd pick 2013
Matt Finn
JML

Toronto then buys Horcoff and keep hemsky for one more year


JVR Kadri Kessel
Yakupov Grabovski Lupul
Kulemin Joe Colborne Hemsky
Orr Mcclement Frattin

going with kadri grabo colborne mcclement will mean no playoffs. + oilers dont do this trade anyways.

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06-20-2013, 03:57 PM
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Would rather keep Gunnarsson than franson.

Franson is a specialist in the offensive zone. He has bad mobility, subpar puck movement and terrible in his own zone. We already have Gardiner and Rielly who will be better than Franson as Offensive Dmen.

Gunnarson is a good puck mover and a solid defender in his own zone. We need more of these not less.
I agree completely. I also have a feeling (in honesty, based on absolutely nothing but a gut feeling) that Gunnar would be easier to sign for less than Franson - I feel like Franson is going to want to break the bank after taking a bridge contract last year.

With Phaneuf, Reilly, and Gardiner in the pipeline, and guys like Finn, Percy, and Blacker - I think we can afford to move Franson while his value is high now. I can see something along the lines of Franson + Scrivens being of interest to the Oilers, but I have no idea what we'd be getting back. They wouldn't give us any of their top young core - so we'd be looking at guys like Gagner and Pajaarvi (sp?). I'm not sure either fills a need for us.

That leaves the #7 pick - but what else would we have to throw in? I'm not sure Franson, Scrivens and #21 is enough - but if we added one of Finn / Percy / Blacker - would that get it done? It would give Edmonton the assets they're looking for to improve immediately and for the future (young top 4 D, young back up goalie, and another solid D prospect + a solid prospect at #21) -but I think they'd ask for more in exchange for a Monahan / Linholm / Nichushkin ....

Now - if we could pry the Iles #15 pick and use that instead of #21 giving the Oilers a shot at Horvat - THAT might do it.

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06-20-2013, 04:29 PM
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going with kadri grabo colborne mcclement will mean no playoffs. + oilers dont do this trade anyways.
Agreed on all fronts.

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06-20-2013, 04:33 PM
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Good. I wouldn't mind if we acquired Hemsky and Horcoff from Edmonton if we could give them Grabovski and Liles in return. Nonis also has some work to do on trying to get Weiss and Clarkson to sign here on decent deals and acquire some depth on defense, our fourth line and possibly goaltending.

Although Grabovski is an obviously better and more valuable player than Horcoff at this stage, I really don't think he fits with this team going forward. He isn't a 3rd line player in Carlyle's system and Horcoff brings veteran leadership, can win faceoffs and plays a good defensive game. Hemsky would be a nice addition to our top 6, but I'm not sure he can stay healthy long enough to be effective. This may seem like a poor move for Nonis to make, but I think it would make the team better this season.

JvR-Weiss-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Hemsky
Kulemin-Horcoff-Clarkson

That top 9 looks pretty good.
i dont want horcroft or hemsky from the ilers if it cost us gardiner or reilly or are no 1 pick
deal with the oilers for one of their young studs ......RNH FITS OUR BILL

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06-20-2013, 04:48 PM
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Hope we go after Horton.
Better than Clarkson that's for sure.

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My hopes are an upgrade on defense, an upgrade on Bozak while re-signing him for a 3rd line C role and getting rid of Grabovski pretty much.
Seems like a good summary of the realistic needs of this team.

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Horcoff can remain the Oil's anchor.

Hemsky would be ok...if he can stay healthy.
Ok, really isn't good enough for this team.

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06-20-2013, 04:58 PM
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Better than Clarkson that's for sure.
Better player for sure, but who's the better fit?

Having Horton and Lupul would likely mean we spend half the season without 2nd line wingers.

Clarkson is a good 2nd line winger, which is all we need. He'll also bring a huge amount of grit, which is something else we need. He will also make a lot of room for Kadri, which seems like a perfect match.

Obviously, I don't want to pay him a huge contract, but that goes without saying. If both Horton and Clarkson get reasonable contracts, I would prefer Clarkson. Horton should get 1.5-2.0 more than Clarkson.

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06-20-2013, 05:39 PM
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If our prospect depth on defense is truly strong, I would not mind waiting a couple seasons to let Rielly, Gardiner, Finn, Percy, Granberg to develop and fill out our defense.

If they aren't able to fill the gaps, I would question Morrisons ability to pick out talent.

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06-20-2013, 05:42 PM
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Are we actually seriously discussing acquiring Horcoff? come on.

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06-20-2013, 06:14 PM
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Are we actually seriously discussing acquiring Horcoff? come on.
Edmonton board has planted an agent amongst our midsts to convince us to take Horcoff.

Don't care for Hemsky either tbh.

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06-20-2013, 06:16 PM
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I agree completely. I also have a feeling (in honesty, based on absolutely nothing but a gut feeling) that Gunnar would be easier to sign for less than Franson - I feel like Franson is going to want to break the bank after taking a bridge contract last year.

With Phaneuf, Reilly, and Gardiner in the pipeline, and guys like Finn, Percy, and Blacker - I think we can afford to move Franson while his value is high now. I can see something along the lines of Franson + Scrivens being of interest to the Oilers, but I have no idea what we'd be getting back. They wouldn't give us any of their top young core - so we'd be looking at guys like Gagner and Pajaarvi (sp?). I'm not sure either fills a need for us.

That leaves the #7 pick - but what else would we have to throw in? I'm not sure Franson, Scrivens and #21 is enough - but if we added one of Finn / Percy / Blacker - would that get it done? It would give Edmonton the assets they're looking for to improve immediately and for the future (young top 4 D, young back up goalie, and another solid D prospect + a solid prospect at #21) -but I think they'd ask for more in exchange for a Monahan / Linholm / Nichushkin ....

Now - if we could pry the Iles #15 pick and use that instead of #21 giving the Oilers a shot at Horvat - THAT might do it.
I also don't see Franson as a core piece of this team but I think we need him for at least another season.

After that though he could be a guy who gets moved because he earns to much relative to his role once Gardiner/Riellyand even Finn develop a bit further and will be great PP options to play along with Phaneuf.

Franson doesn't kill penalties, is a 3rd pairing dman 5 on 5 but is very good on the powerplay. His numbers should get him a big raise but he won't be able to earn it if he's not getting PP time.

Nashville felt confident they could move him because Josi, Ellis, Blum would easily fill the PP void. We can feel confident that Gardiner, Rielly, Finn can fill the void but those players just need a bit more time.

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06-20-2013, 06:25 PM
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Franson was great in the playoffs, he's our biggest D either on the current active roster or in the system, and his clapper from the point is a huge attribute for our team. I think we need to keep him around for awhile. Him and Gardiner could start developing some serious chemistry, at least on the powerplay. And if none of that convinces you, just remember how badly Ron Wilson hated him.

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With Phaneuf, Gardiner, Franson and Liles all offensive-minded defencemen (not to mention Rielly waiting in the weeds), I gotta believe that at least one of them will be moved.

Liles would appear to be the most likely (via buyout or otherwise), but it really would not surprise me to see any of them traded (minus Phaneuf) for the right return. I might be a little taken aback should Franson be dealt due to our lack of RHD, but again it depends on what's coming the other way.

I sincerely hope that the Leafs do not move their 1st round pick for an established player - this organization has been burned far too many times with that. I am not against moving up in the draft (provided it is worthwhile, i.e. more than 4 or 5 spots), but I'm completely fine with staying at 21.

If there's one thing that I'd like to see more of, it's drafting, developing, and showcasing our homegrown talent. Insane to think that the last player drafted by the Leafs who led the team in scoring was Damphousse in 1990-91. I believe the only other team that's even remotely close to that feat is the Flames (Stillman, 1998-99). As I've said before, the Leafs really need to stop constantly looking to other teams for their core players/leaders and use the draft to acquire them and create their own identity from within. Seeing guys like Kadri and Reimer play major roles in the teams' turnaround certainly was a good step forward this year, but it needs to continue. There's my rant for the month...hopefully haha.

Nevertheless, it will interesting to see what Nonis does and how much of his own stamp he puts on this team over the next few weeks/months.


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I would much much rather still have Burke running the show. i miss that big lug already, i just feel uneasy with Nonis at the helm. He just seems so timid and reluctant to really go hard after what he wants, whatever that is

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I like Horcoff as a FA signing.

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I would much much rather still have Burke running the show. i miss that big lug already, i just feel uneasy with Nonis at the helm. He just seems so timid and reluctant to really go hard after what he wants, whatever that is
I feel the same way. There is a real chance for Nonis to make a huge impact here, I hope he does`nt blow that opportunity. I`d feel way better if Burke was in charge. All it will take though is for Nonis to pull off some something good and my feelings will change. Hope he hits a homerun, I know Burke would be swinging for the fences!!

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Imagine ownership allows a huge buyout of another teams big contract. He could drive up the offers from Tampa, Islanders and possibly Philly to try and really get a good return.

"I'd really love to buy out vinny for you. But Islanders are offering me the 15th and strome, you'll have to up your offer"

just me gettig excited. Lol

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With Phaneuf, Gardiner, Franson, Liles, and Gardiner all offensive-minded defencemen (not to mention Rielly waiting in the weeds), I gotta believe that at least one of them will be moved.

Liles would appear to be the most likely (via buyout or otherwise), but it really would not surprise me to see any of them traded (minus Phaneuf) for the right return. I might be a little taken aback should Franson be dealt due to our lack of RHD, but again it depends on what's coming the other way.

I sincerely hope that the Leafs do not move their 1st round pick for an established player - this organization has been burned far too many times with that. I am not against moving up in the draft (provided it is worthwhile, i.e. more than 4 or 5 spots), but I'm completely fine with staying at 21.

If there's one thing that I'd like to see more of, it's drafting, developing, and showcasing our homegrown talent. Insane to think that the last player drafted by the Leafs who led the team in scoring was Damphousse in 1990-91. I believe the only other team that's even remotely close to that feat is the Flames (Stillman, 1998-99). As I've said before, the Leafs really need to stop constantly looking to other teams for their core players/leaders and use the draft to acquire them and create their own identity from within. Seeing guys like Kadri and Reimer play major roles in the teams' turnaround certainly was a good step forward this year, but it needs to continue. There's my rant for the month...hopefully haha.

Nevertheless, it will interesting to see what Nonis does and how much of his own stamp he puts on this team over the next few weeks/months.
Liles will be shipped out this off-season because he lost the opportunity to utilize his best ability which is on the PP to Franson. My prediction is to Edmonton for 56th overall (Ducks pick) who need a PP replacement to fill the minutes that Whitney played this year.

Next off-season though Franson is probably moved because Gardiner will be that much further developed and Rielly should be with the big club.

As Gardiner, Phaneuf, Rielly generate offence from the D group we'll need to allocate cap space to a solid defensive dman more than someone like Franson who leaves a lot to be desired in that area.

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Imagine ownership allows a huge buyout of another teams big contract. He could drive up the offers from Tampa, Islanders and possibly Philly to try and really get a good return.

"I'd really love to buy out vinny for you. But Islanders are offering me the 15th and strome, you'll have to up your offer"

just me gettig excited. Lol
If Nonis can actually pull something like this off, that would be huge for the Leafs. To use OUR money, and not the Leafs assets to significantly improve this team would be a homerun for sure!!!

Go Nonis go!!!

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Surprising how little talk Bryan Bickell gets. Chicago is probably the team that will have difficulty retaining it's players even with the 2 compliance buyouts. Suppose they buyout Olesz and Frolik, that leaves them with 6.6M to divide between Bickell, Leddy and a backup goalie. Anything with a cap-hit north of 4M should do it.

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