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06-20-2013, 02:55 PM
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Brière will never ever sign with MTL

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Sign him 3 years 12m ?

He would look very good on this line:

Galchenyuk-Eller-Briere

Or :

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Briere

He is small, but a clutch player, so I don't care.

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06-20-2013, 03:08 PM
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Briere will be a valuable piece to whatever team gets him. Ridiculously productive in the playoffs and a guy opponents hate because he's a diving little *******.
He also lets a ridiculous amount of goals get scored on him during the playoffs. Which is Briere's thing. For a long time he's been an awful 5 on 5 player because he has no defense. Clutch scoring in this case goes along with anti-clutch, spends more of his game in the defensive zone than his healthy in the playoffs.

Briere is a PP specialist you can hide as a winger somewhere in the top nine.

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06-20-2013, 04:16 PM
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Only way I sign Briere is if DD is floated off to an island somewhere far away.

I don't even need Briere, I just really want DD as far away from this team as possible.

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06-20-2013, 04:21 PM
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Only way I sign Briere is if DD is floated off to an island somewhere far away.

I don't even need Briere, I just really want DD as far away from this team as possible.
Agreed. Briere is equally bad during the regular season(and we finished 2nd WITH DD) but he won't go invisible mode in the playoffs like DD.

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Agreed whole-heartedly; Marchand is at least twice the real punk than Subban is alleged to be. I honestly only have one conclusion about why Subban has so many detractors and it disgusts me too much to voice it.
You mean racism? Nah, this sport is controlled and operated by a diverse group of individuals representing numerous cultures who embrace innovation and new ideas.

Ask any white person over 50, they will tell you.

Just look at Op/Ed segment Coaches Corner, they aren't even worried about pronouncing names properly or getting country names correct. That's just faux Political Correctness and who wants that?

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06-20-2013, 04:57 PM
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The KHL's Avangard Omsk has reportedly offered a contract to Sergei Kostitsyn, who is still under contract with Nashville.
The Avangard's GM claims that he's talked with Predators GM David Poile, who is reportedly okay with Kostitsyn leaving for the KHL. Predators coach Barry Trotz criticized Kostitsyn's lack of offensive production in 2013. His brother Andrei Kostitsyn, played in the KHL in 2012-13 after a brief stint with the Nashville Predators.

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06-20-2013, 05:05 PM
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The KHL's Avangard Omsk has reportedly offered a contract to Sergei Kostitsyn, who is still under contract with Nashville.
The Avangard's GM claims that he's talked with Predators GM David Poile, who is reportedly okay with Kostitsyn leaving for the KHL. Predators coach Barry Trotz criticized Kostitsyn's lack of offensive production in 2013. His brother Andrei Kostitsyn, played in the KHL in 2012-13 after a brief stint with the Nashville Predators.
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Brad Méchant is still a fan favorite in Boston. Am I right?

Personally, I wouldn't put my face anywhere near his unless I were wearing a visor or racquetball lenses.

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I dont want Briere here at all. He chose to go to Philly instead of his own people. The money was better for the Habs and he still turned his back on his people. I don't want him here, I don't want him in Quebec.
Let him live with the devil and sup with his minions for all eternity.

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06-20-2013, 05:18 PM
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I'd rather have Brière than Gionta, but surely not both, especially with Desharnais on board.

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06-20-2013, 05:31 PM
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I'd rather have Brière than Gionta, but surely not both, especially with Desharnais on board.
No way I'd take Briere ahead of Gionta.

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06-20-2013, 05:35 PM
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No way I'd take Briere ahead of Gionta.
Brierre has more talent, but I know what you mean...I would rather keep Gionta also...

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06-20-2013, 05:42 PM
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Brierre has more talent, but I know what you mean...I would rather keep Gionta also...
Briere has more flash to his game. I wouldn't call that more talent.

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06-20-2013, 05:45 PM
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No way I'd take Briere ahead of Gionta.
Why is that ? Brière is a much better hockey player...

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06-20-2013, 05:56 PM
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Why is that ? Brière is a much better hockey player...
No way in hell

Gionta matches his offense and is a better all around player and leader.

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Briere has more flash to his game. I wouldn't call that more talent.
Briere has a heck of a lot more talent than Gionta...

Gionta is better defensively.. but a huge part of it is because Gionta makes the safe low percentage plays. By low % I mean both offensively and defensively. He gets into the O zone and he 99/100 he shoots from wherever he has a clear lane to the net. It's safe in that it results in fewer turnovers and we get a faceoff in the offensive zone but offensively it doesn't mean much.

But ultimately, the proof is in the pudding. When Gionta was an UFA we overpaid like crazy to get him and that meant 5M. No other team was close to paying that for him, not even the devils. Lou told him to go cuz that was the best he was gonna get.

In the meantime, Briere got a much higher deal for much longer.

Not to mention that Briere is a point per game player in the playoffs.

That said, I don't want him, and don't care much about him. But he is much better than Gionta in nearly every way except defensively.

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No way in hell

Gionta matches his offense and is a better all around player and leader.
Wow... Gionta matches Briere offense ? Gionta is a freakin' black hole offensively. He has the offensive imagination of a rodent.

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Gionta : 61 pts in 95 playoffs games
Briere : 109 pts in 108 playoffs games

Points aren't everything, but nearly everything points to Briere being MILES ahead offensively. Your own eyes, the salary they got on the market, the points...


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06-20-2013, 06:02 PM
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I dont want Briere here at all. He chose to go to Philly instead of his own people. The money was better for the Habs and he still turned his back on his people. I don't want him here, I don't want him in Quebec.
Let him live with the devil and sup with his minions for all eternity.
may be he realized that turning his own back on his own people was a mistake. perhaps, his people can give him another chance and learn to love him, like only his people can love.

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06-20-2013, 06:06 PM
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Briere has a heck of a lot more talent than Gionta...

Gionta is better defensively.. but a huge part of it is because Gionta makes the safe low percentage plays. By low % I mean both offensively and defensively. He gets into the O zone and he 99/100 he shoots from wherever he has a clear lane to the net. It's safe in that it results in fewer turnovers and we get a faceoff in the offensive zone but offensively it doesn't mean much.

But ultimately, the proof is in the pudding. When Gionta was an UFA we overpaid like crazy to get him and that meant 5M. No other team was close to paying that for him, not even the devils. Lou told him to go cuz that was the best he was gonna get.

In the meantime, Briere got a much higher deal for much longer.

Not to mention that Briere is a point per game player in the playoffs.

That said, I don't want him, and don't care much about him. But he is much better than Gionta in nearly every way except defensively.

Wow... Gionta matches Briere offense ? Gionta is a freakin' black hole offensively. He has the offensive imagination of a rodent.
And there is the crux of the matter. For a winger that brings offense, Gionta is very very strong on defense.

For a center that brings offense. Briere is hilariously terrible at defense. Massive, humungous liablity that means you have to manage his minutes like crazy otherwise when you put him out on the ice you'll be losing no matter how much he scores.

Gionta is the single forward the Habs have had in recent history who would play consistently be out there on hard minutes at win. Plekanec can be that but he hasn't always had the necessary linemate support.

Is playoff scoring is a mirage. Its the same as the regular season. Sure he put up a bunch of points, that doesn't mean he also ddin't get his ass beat overall


Defense is talent too. Especially the ability to out play your opponent. Briere has what looks like talent, but its such a liability that its rarely worth it.

Briere is essentially everything bad anyone has ever said about Cammalleri's on ice ability made manifest. The key distinction being that Cammalleri is a winger, so you its not so bad that he needs to be carried by a center while Briere is a center, a job that comes with certain responsibilities.

Briere isn't his playoff highlight real. Or his point totals. Those are highly misleading when talking about his worth. There is a bigger picture about how he manages to score so much. And when you get right down to it, on the ice, Gionta wins his minutes consistently while Briere frequently loses.

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06-20-2013, 06:07 PM
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No way I'd take Briere ahead of Gionta.
Since Gionta joined the Habs:

Gionta: 222 games - 79g-54a-133pts 0.60ppg
Briere: 256 games - 82g-104a-186pts 0.73ppg

Playoffs:

Gionta: 20 pts in 26 games
Briere: 52 pts in 45 games

Apart from the history of him not signing in Montreal the last time, and the fact that he can be ****ing annoying (which is actually a good thing if he's on your team), I think he's the better player. He'd be a decent upgrade on Gionta if we can ship Brian elsewhere and sign him to a 4-5mill/year, 2 year contract. And maybe the Montreal crowd can light a fire up his ass so that he performs even more.

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Forthe second time briere hates mtl

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I dont want Briere here at all. He chose to go to Philly instead of his own people.

He did what most hockey players do. He is under no obligation to play for the Habs or represent any culture. It was not some terrible betrayal.

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06-20-2013, 06:19 PM
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And there is the crux of the matter. For a winger that brings offense, Gionta is very very strong on defense.

For a center that brings offense. Briere is hilariously terrible at defense. Massive, humungous liablity that means you have to manage his minutes like crazy otherwise when you put him out on the ice you'll be losing no matter how much he scores.

Gionta is the single forward the Habs have had in recent history who would play consistently be out there on hard minutes at win. Plekanec can be that but he hasn't always had the necessary linemate support.

Is playoff scoring is a mirage. Its the same as the regular season. Sure he put up a bunch of points, that doesn't mean he also ddin't get his ass beat overall


Defense is talent too. Especially the ability to out play your opponent. Briere has what looks like talent, but its such a liability that its rarely worth it.

Briere is essentially everything bad anyone has ever said about Cammalleri's on ice ability made manifest. The key distinction being that Cammalleri is a winger, so you its not so bad that he needs to be carried by a center while Briere is a center, a job that comes with certain responsibilities.

Briere isn't his playoff highlight real. Or his point totals. Those are highly misleading when talking about his worth. There is a bigger picture about how he manages to score so much. And when you get right down to it, on the ice, Gionta wins his minutes consistently while Briere frequently loses.
The way you put it paints a picture that is completely inaccurate.

To make it more accurate I'd say :

For a winger who brings offense, Gionta is bad at bringing offense. But he will not hurt you either.

For a center that brings offense, Briere is one of the best in the league and is a proven ppg playoffs performer. He is terrible defensively and needs to be sheltered however.

There is a reason there was infinitely more interest in Briere than Gionta when both became UFAs despite Briere's shortcomings.

You can hide Briere's flaws. When you're trailing Briere can help you. On the PP Briere can help you. There are plenty of players who can play conservatively and can play a more defensive role when the situation requires it. Not many can bring the offense Briere brings.

Briere has often been a main component in team that went to the ECF and further. Gionta was not a main cog on the devils he was a support player. You are undervaluing Briere's playoffs scoring.

But I really don't like his rat face and I don't feel like going to bat for him. I just hate him so that was my last post on this subject, carry on with the Danielle hate.

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06-20-2013, 06:29 PM
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The thing about Briere is he has been injured a lot recently and he is getting older. He still looks fourteen, but he aint. I would kind of worry about him declining. And his numbers have been worse the past couple seasons. But, yeah, overall Briere has been an awesome player. I only hate him when we play against Philly. Other than that, I like Briere.

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may be he realized that turning his own back on his own people was a mistake. perhaps, his people can give him another chance and learn to love him, like only his people can love.
its like saying sorry only when you get caught

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