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06-20-2013, 04:22 PM
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nino niederreiter + 2nd round pick for michael cammalleri + 28th overall

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06-20-2013, 04:23 PM
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nino niederreiter + 2nd round pick for michael cammalleri + 28th overall
We don't have a 2nd this year

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06-20-2013, 04:26 PM
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I will politely urge my fellow Isles fans NOT to respond to this thread. Please.

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06-20-2013, 04:49 PM
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Gross. No thanks

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I think the OP misspelled "6th" for "28th", yes?

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This is so bad for the Isles...

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06-20-2013, 04:54 PM
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Post this proposal in the other useless Niederreiter thread located on this very board. Bobbling up in down as we speak. It should fit in with the quality offers their too.

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Holy Islander fans, seriously........a late first and a top 6 winger for a prospect who hasnt made the jump and a second......but it's garbage for you guys......as a Flames fan I dont see a need to do it anyways, but just wow.

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06-20-2013, 05:21 PM
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I think the OP misspelled "6th" for "28th", yes?
Ah yes, the great El Nino, who managed to acquire roughly .67 points-per-game in the AHL. The champion who nearly hit 1.5 points-per-game in his draft+1 year in the CHL. The offensive dynamo with 3 points in 64 NHL games.

Saviour of the Islanders, franchise forward to end all franchise forwards! Surely he must be worth at least 6th overall in addition to a piddly established top 6 forward. The mere thought of a lesser return is a grave insult to the storied Islanders franchise.

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06-20-2013, 05:24 PM
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I think the OP misspelled "6th" for "28th", yes?
Nino no longer holds the value of a top 10 pick, paritcularly in this deep draft.

You'd probably be able to get the 22nd and another asset from Calgary, but no one is giving you anything close to the 6th.

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Ah yes, the great El Nino, who managed to acquire roughly .67 points-per-game in the AHL. The champion who nearly hit 1.5 points-per-game in his draft+1 year in the CHL. The offensive dynamo with 3 points in 64 NHL games.

Saviour of the Islanders, franchise forward to end all franchise forwards! Surely he must be worth at least 6th overall in addition to a piddly established top 6 forward. The mere thought of a lesser return is a grave insult to the storied Islanders franchise.
Winner winner chicken dinner!

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Holy Islander fans, seriously........a late first and a top 6 winger for a prospect who hasnt made the jump and a second......but it's garbage for you guys......as a Flames fan I dont see a need to do it anyways, but just wow.
Nino was drafted 5th overall, had a good year in the AHL and is only 20 years old.

Cammalleri is 31, getting paid 7 million and only has a year left on his contract.

You dont trade away a young 5th overall pick for a year of an overpaid top 6 player.

Nino and 2014 3rd for Tanguay, 22nd overall and 2014 2nd is something id do.

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Nino no longer holds the value of a top 10 pick, paritcularly in this deep draft.

You'd probably be able to get the 22nd and another asset from Calgary, but no one is giving you anything close to the 6th.
Calgary has no chance of getting Nino.

Cammy, coming off four consecutive season with under 20 goals and being paid 7 million, is a candidate for a compliance buyout.

Junk assets like Stempiak etc and all the other flotsam and jetsom you posted about in the other thread are not going to get any attention from any other team either.

The reality is, Flames are at the very early stages of a what will likely be a long, painful rebuild and you're not pick pocketing good young players from the Isles or any other team.

So, my suggestion would be to move on beyond all this silliness.

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I think the OP misspelled "6th" for "28th", yes?
Haha although I don't think this trade proposal has any legs at all, our 6th isn't going anywhere.

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Nino was drafted 5th overall, had a good year in the AHL and is only 20 years old.

Cammalleri is 31, getting paid 7 million and only has a year left on his contract.

You dont trade away a young 5th overall pick for a year of an overpaid top 6 player.

Nino and 2014 3rd for Tanguay, 22nd overall and 2014 2nd is something id do.

Generous of you, as a Habs fan, to trade Nino for a player the Isles wouldn't take on waivers.

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06-20-2013, 05:39 PM
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Calgary has no chance of getting Nino.

Cammy, coming off four consecutive season with under 20 goals and being paid 7 million, is a candidate for a compliance buyout.

Junk assets like Stempiak etc and all the other flotsam and jetsom you posted about in the other thread are not going to get any attention from any other team either.

The reality is, Flames are at the very early stages of a what will likely be a long, painful rebuild and you're not pick pocketing good young players from the Isles or any other team.

So, my suggestion would be to move on beyond all this silliness.
Well...you obviously have some kind of obsession with Nino, but let's get something straight:

1) Cammalleri had 20 goals last season. That is not under 20. The season before last he had 19 goals and before that he had 26. He also had 16 goals in 26 playoff games during that time.

2) This year, despite playing on a blown up team, he was on pace for 24 goals. There was a lockout, the season was shortened, so you'd expect smaller goal totals.

3) Stempniak is not a junk asset. 32 points in 47 games. He's got one more year at 2.5 mil, which is a great small contract.

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If Nino sucks so bad.... why does everyone want him?

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Well...you obviously have some kind of obsession with Nino, but let's get something straight:

1) Cammalleri had 20 goals last season. That is not under 20. The season before last he had 19 goals and before that he had 26. He also had 16 goals in 26 playoff games during that time.

2) This year, despite playing on a blown up team, he was on pace for 24 goals. There was a lockout, the season was shortened, so you'd expect smaller goal totals.

3) Stempniak is not a junk asset. 32 points in 47 games. He's got one more year at 2.5 mil, which is a great small contract.
He has not replicated his last contract year of 2008-09 that had him over 80+ points.
The Islanders are not a franchise that is going to pay 7m/year for a 45+ Point player.

His performance in the 2009-10 playoffs was unreal and he is a point per game player in the playoffs, why he can not keep that pace in the regular season is beyond me.

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Besides the fact that the Islanders aren't going to trade Nino for a song, they would have absolutely no interest in Cammalleri. The absolute last thing the Islanders need is a small, left handed LW.

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If Nino sucks so bad.... why does everyone want him?
The Flames have special interest in him as he has a history with Sven.

Also, no one said he sucks. People are saying he is no longer worth a top 10 pick. The offers are consisting of a 20-30 pick plus a roster player, which is still considerable value.

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How miserable must you're existence be to be a Flames fan?


This thread is depressing, I kinda feel bad you all got laughed at for this trade. Id do it. Yes mister Flames fan. Id do it. Id trade a top 5 pick powerwinger for your 7m floaty guy who was mad good back when doritos was just a nacho and not a taco. Thats a damn good trade.


How about Sven Baetschi for Lubomir Viznovsky? Guy lead the league in points from defense 2 years ago. Lets go hog wild.

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The Flames have special interest in him as he has a history with Sven.

Also, no one said he sucks. People are saying he is no longer worth a top 10 pick. The offers are consisting of a 20-30 pick plus a roster player, which is still considerable value.
My statement goes beyond this thread. Every day there's another proposal that equates to one teams spare parts for Nino, and of course the Islanders add a draft pick to it most of the time for the other teams troubles. Then when Islander fans say no, we get clowns saying things like we think he's our saviour. It's loony tunes

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The Flames have special interest in him as he has a history with Sven.

Also, no one said he sucks. People are saying he is no longer worth a top 10 pick. The offers are consisting of a 20-30 pick plus a roster player, which is still considerable value.
7m salary, 6m caphit, roster player who fills not a single need for the Islanders.

Thank good sir for showing me the light. A Good Roster Player (wait, you didn't even add Good, its just Roster Player. Maybe it can be great or fabulous) is Mike Cammellerri the really expensive undersized guy whose worn out his welcome on several teams and offers nothing the Isles need.

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He has not replicated his last contract year of 2008-09 that had him over 80+ points.
The Islanders are not a franchise that is going to pay 7m/year for a 45+ Point player.

His performance in the 2009-10 playoffs was unreal and he is a point per game player in the playoffs, why he can not keep that pace in the regular season is beyond me.
1) No one disputes that Cammalleri is overpaid. It's only for a year though. He'll be worht a 1st at the deadline.

2) "45+" point player.....he's played well above that pace. He's suffered some minor injuries, which have limited him to 67 games or less over the last 4 years. I guess teachinically you're right in that he does score more than 45 points...but I guess Crosby is a 45+ PPG player too.

3) Cammalleri has been playing on awful teams, which is why his regular season point total does not reflect his playoff total. Besides, a player how performs well in the playoffs but disappears in the regular season is worth far more than a player who does the oppossite.

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1) No one disputes that Cammalleri is overpaid. It's only for a year though. He'll be worht a 1st at the deadline.

2) "45+" point player.....he's played well above that pace. He's suffered some minor injuries, which have limited him to 67 games or less over the last 4 years. I guess teachinically you're right in that he does score more than 45 points...but I guess Crosby is a 45+ PPG player too.

3) Cammalleri has been playing on awful teams, which is why his regular season point total does not reflect his playoff total. Besides, a player how performs well in the playoffs but disappears in the regular season is worth far more than a player who does the oppossite.
So why are the Isles trading a top 5 pick powerwinger for him? Cause he's a Roster PLayer and for one year we can have the luxury of paying him 7m?

Id rather pay Jagr 7m for year and not give up Nino. Or save the Flyers some buyout dough and through them a pick for Briere. Or cash out a wad of singles and fill a kiddie pool with it.

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