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06-20-2013, 07:05 PM
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4th + Josi for 1st + 2014 1st
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They aren't moving Josi.

I still am curious if they'd be interested in 4th + Watson + Ekholm though.
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Your choice of Blum/Ellis/Ekholm + 4th overall + young roster forward?

If that's too little I'd easily pony up our 1st next year.
No way they move Josi as Lonewolfe said, I'd love that deal though.

It's funny how #1 for #4 deals are discussed the least, notice how it's even mostly ignored here?

While it actually makes the most sense, there are rumors Colorado is very interested in Barkov, as they had one or two extra interviews with him as well.

I like the two deals suggested by Lonewolfe and Soundgarden the best, it's simple it gets us the guy we are after and some help in areas we're seriously lacking. To be honest those are the most realistic as well, but that's probably why they are not talked about as much.

Not nearly as much to argue over or be wowed by. I'd like to hear more from Nashville fans as well on what they would realistically give up to move into #1.

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06-20-2013, 07:07 PM
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What about this:

To Colorado:
7th Overall
Paajarvi
Musil
Gernat
Belov
Yakupov

To Edmonton:
1st Overall (again lol)
Siemens

This way when Colorado picks at 7, they still have one of the following 4 players to pick:
Nurse (could replace Siemens as a defensive prospect)
Nichushkin (fast PWF)
Monahan (TWF with scoring and playmaking ability)
Lindholm (TWF with offensive upside)
Yeah, I think I could handle that.

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06-20-2013, 07:14 PM
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What about this:

To Colorado:
7th Overall
Paajarvi
Musil
Gernat
Belov
Yakupov

To Edmonton:
1st Overall (again lol)
Siemens

This way when Colorado picks at 7, they still have one of the following 4 players to pick:
Nurse (could replace Siemens as a defensive prospect)
Nichushkin (fast PWF)
Monahan (TWF with scoring and playmaking ability)
Lindholm (TWF with offensive upside)
This is funny, I love how he slips Yakupov in at the end there. Almost missed it. If Edmonton offered this I'd laugh all the way to the bank with Yakupov, MPS, and Nurse.

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06-20-2013, 07:23 PM
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4th + Weber

done deal

I guess the Avs could add, but still. Colorado's second and third picks?
So you suggest the 4th pick in the draft AND one of the best, if not the best, defensemen in the league- for the right to draft a guy you HOPE turns into a top 10 Dman one day......that makes sense!

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06-20-2013, 07:25 PM
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So you suggest the 4th pick in the draft AND one of the best, if not the best, defensemen in the league- for the right to draft a guy you HOPE turns into a top 10 Dman one day......that makes sense!
It was a Oiler's fan that suggested it to be fair, please don't put this one on Avs fans lol.

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06-20-2013, 07:35 PM
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This is funny, I love how he slips Yakupov in at the end there. Almost missed it. If Edmonton offered this I'd laugh all the way to the bank with Yakupov, MPS, and Nurse.
Yeah, no doubt!

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06-20-2013, 07:36 PM
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All of that just for the 1st OA??
Yeah; you have to put up a pretty hefty offer on the table to make them move it.

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06-20-2013, 07:44 PM
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-Top 6 W (preferably LW)
-Top 4 LHD (preferably top pairing)

These are immediate needs. Taking either Drouin or Jones takes care of one of these. A year from now the center position could become a need if Stastny and O'Reilly are no longer on the team. So taking MacKinnon first overall would solidify a 1C + 2C tandem with Duchene for years to come and allow the team to explore filling the other needs via trade (Stastny & O'Reilly) or FA.
Patrik Elias, Andy Greene and 2013 2nd Round pick for 1st Overall?

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06-20-2013, 09:35 PM
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They aren't moving Josi.

I still am curious if they'd be interested in 4th + Watson + Ekholm though.
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Your choice of Blum/Ellis/Ekholm + 4th overall + young roster forward?

If that's too little I'd easily pony up our 1st next year.
Yes? No?

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06-20-2013, 10:04 PM
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Brock Nelson
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15th Overall
3rd Rounder '13
1st Rounder '14 (option to switch with isles)


1st overall
1st rounder '14
So why do we do this?

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06-20-2013, 10:21 PM
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Yes? No?
I guess there are not that many Nashville fans on HF or something.

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06-20-2013, 10:24 PM
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I guess there are not that many Nashville fans on HF or something.
I'm the one who offered the 2nd deal.

It might seem like a lot, but I'd be willing to do what it takes(realistically) to get Mack. This could be our only chance to draft this high for a while.

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06-21-2013, 12:23 AM
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I'm the one who offered the 2nd deal.

It might seem like a lot, but I'd be willing to do what it takes(realistically) to get Mack. This could be our only chance to draft this high for a while.
If the rumors are true that Colorado likes Barkov as much as they do. All the sure fire #1 centers could be off the board by #4 as well.

I'd much rather play against Drouin than Barkov on a regular basis. If Colorado took Barkov, then FLA took Mack, TPA Jones, Drouin would be #4. Even if Colorado takes Mackinnon, Barkov could go #2 or #3 if Florida or Tampa really want a center.

You sure you can't give up Josi? lol

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06-21-2013, 01:02 AM
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2nd overall and Kulikov for first overall?
Crazytalk!

The 1st and 2nd overall basically has the same value, because the difference between the prospects is next to nothing. The only good thing with 1st overall is that you get to pick first.

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What about this:

To Colorado:
7th Overall
Paajarvi
Musil
Gernat
Belov
Yakupov

To Edmonton:
1st Overall (again lol)
Siemens

This way when Colorado picks at 7, they still have one of the following 4 players to pick:
Nurse (could replace Siemens as a defensive prospect)
Nichushkin (fast PWF)
Monahan (TWF with scoring and playmaking ability)
Lindholm (TWF with offensive upside)
Edm gets hosed. Yakupov was just taken 1st overall last year and they add the 7th overall which could be monahan/lindholm plus they still add

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Im wondering what would be price for Montreal

Gallagher + ?

Also what do u think would be highest pick Montreal would get for Gallagher alone?He is pretty decent young stud so I guess hes worth TOP10 pick this year if they move him

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Lets not get too ahead of ourselves.

No I wouldn't do that deal even without Siemens.
Bold = that is actual current reality. McD is THAT good. Which basis justifies my offer.

Underline: so it's not for you, fair enough.

While Hedman is an overall better asset w/more speed + harder shot, level of McD defensive skill is superior. Ballpark close assets. Hedman was #2 overall.

So what is this about McD not ballpark value for 1 overall, esp. when he is a known commodity with continuing upside?

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What about this:

To Colorado:
7th Overall
Paajarvi
Musil
Gernat
Belov
Yakupov

To Edmonton:
1st Overall (again lol)
Siemens

This way when Colorado picks at 7, they still have one of the following 4 players to pick:
Nurse (could replace Siemens as a defensive prospect)
Nichushkin (fast PWF)
Monahan (TWF with scoring and playmaking ability)
Lindholm (TWF with offensive upside)

Oilers counter deal:

Yakupov
RNH
Hall
Eberle
7th pick
New downtown arena

For

COL 1st OVR
Siemens

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this thread bahahahaha

None of you know anything.

We go through this every year,


YOU ALL OVERVALUE PROSPECTS THAT HAVENT PLAYED A LICK IN THE NHL


This isn't nhl13 with guaranteed progression. Stop wasting valuable Ted Leonsis pixels

When one of the top5 picks this year is traded for 'just' two 1st round (15-30) picks , y'all will shut up, until next year of course

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this thread bahahahaha

None of you know anything.

We go through this every year,


YOU ALL OVERVALUE PROSPECTS THAT HAVENT PLAYED A LICK IN THE NHL


This isn't nhl13 with guaranteed progression. Stop wasting valuable Ted Leonsis pixels

When one of the top5 picks this year is traded for 'just' two 1st round (15-30) picks , y'all will shut up, until next year of course
How about you back up the talk and provide an example?


I've got one. Colorado said to to all three of Calgarys first round picks, including 6th overall. Oops. I think you're the one who knows nothing.

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this thread bahahahaha

None of you know anything.

We go through this every year,


YOU ALL OVERVALUE PROSPECTS THAT HAVENT PLAYED A LICK IN THE NHL


This isn't nhl13 with guaranteed progression. Stop wasting valuable Ted Leonsis pixels

When one of the top5 picks this year is traded for 'just' two 1st round (15-30) picks , y'all will shut up, until next year of course
Thread title: what would it take to get 1st overall?

This has nothing to do with the top 5. Could buffalo get Carolina's 5th by giving up their 8th and 16th? Absolutely.

As has already been said, three firsts for the first overall has already been declined by co. Sounds like you're the one that doesn't know what you're talking about. Two late firsts doesn't come CLOSE to the value of a first overall.

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Of course it does. If Colorado wants a different look that's their prerogative. And none of you know it, offering up weber and firsts for a player that hasn't played 1 game in the NHL, if evidence of that.

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No way they move Josi as Lonewolfe said, I'd love that deal though.

It's funny how #1 for #4 deals are discussed the least, notice how it's even mostly ignored here?

While it actually makes the most sense, there are rumors Colorado is very interested in Barkov, as they had one or two extra interviews with him as well.

I like the two deals suggested by Lonewolfe and Soundgarden the best, it's simple it gets us the guy we are after and some help in areas we're seriously lacking. To be honest those are the most realistic as well, but that's probably why they are not talked about as much.

Not nearly as much to argue over or be wowed by. I'd like to hear more from Nashville fans as well on what they would realistically give up to move into #1.
Well, every trade will include the #4 overall, so let's start there.

The Preds then can add to it and give you:

a. Half of a full, NHL experienced D corp. (select 3 from Gill, Bartley, Blum, Brennan, Ekholm*). Avs: Wait, you say, that's the BOTTOM half of a full corp and "experienced" is being used a bit generously.... plus you left out Ellis, you tool.

In fairness, Ellis probably is our best chip (that might be let go. Forget Forsberg, Josi) and I'm not sure Poile would move him with Housley coming in to teach him to be brilliant. But let's try:
b. Ellis alone. Avs: Too tiny, unproven, etc. etc.

Ok, then try:
c. Ellis plus one young roster forward (Beck/Spaling/Smith). Avs: Not enough, Rip off, Need more.

Ok, then try:
d. Ellis plus young roster forward plus a prospect drafted 2nd round or later (Leipsic, Aberg, Budish).
Avs: Stop pushing Ellis onto us.

Ok, then try:
e. Blum plus TWO young roster forwards (Beck/Spaling/Smith) OR Blum and Ekholm plus ONE young roster forward.
Avs: We need a draft pick too!

Ok, then try:
f. Delete any one player and take a 3rd from this year or a 2nd from next year.

To me, that is the general top end range of offers for the Preds to move from #4 to #1- healthy, fairly attractive, fairly expensive (fairly likely to make some Pred fans scream) but maybe not enough to wow the Avs.

Avs probably would have to believe in some real good upside in Ellis/Smith/Beck/Blum/Ekholm that is definitely possible but definitely not yet proven. I and most Preds fans are confident that a couple of those players will pay off big time but.... which ones? Big debate even among the most fervent of Pred's faithful.

It would be a great move to #1 but #4 aint bad... thus the willingness of the Avs fans to consider it. If the price gets too high, Preds probably stay put and pick one of the top 4 players in the draft.

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Of course it does. If Colorado wants a different look that's their prerogative. And none of you know it, offering up weber and firsts for a player that hasn't played 1 game in the NHL, if evidence of that.
That was offered by one poster that (I believe) wasn't a fan of either team and was immediately shot down by everyone.

The value of the first overall is extremely high. If it was worth a couple of first rounders it'd be moved every year. When's the last time a first overall was traded for anything other than another top 5 pick?

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Of course it does. If Colorado wants a different look that's their prerogative. And none of you know it, offering up weber and firsts for a player that hasn't played 1 game in the NHL, if evidence of that.
Clearly you have no concept of value if you think two late 1sts gets you a top 5 pick. That is just as badly lopsided, just in the opposite direction.

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