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06-20-2013, 04:16 PM
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Don Cherry will not be happy about this.

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06-20-2013, 04:20 PM
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Yeah shields are cowardly... Who needs their face intact anyway.
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06-20-2013, 04:25 PM
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Hopefully they implement removable visors, or fighting is basically gone. Oh well, that's not why I wath hockey, although it is one enjoyable aspect of it. I see where they're coming from and I wouldn't want to see a serious injury come from a head hitting the ice during a fight.

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06-20-2013, 04:27 PM
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Dumb rule. Some of the best fights lately involve guys removing their buckets before they "go."


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06-20-2013, 04:37 PM
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If they add this rule the instigating with a visor rule will likely be gone from the rule book.

One of the things to note is they have this rule in the OHL where you cannot remove your own helmet. So likely they'll remove each others helmets and then start throwing. It won't kill fighting as much as anyone thinks.

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06-20-2013, 04:40 PM
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stupid rule...

Now we will just have more broken hands..

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06-20-2013, 04:40 PM
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This is just an underhanded attempt to eliminate fighting altogether

they just made visors mandatory...grandfathered in. Eventually everybody will wear with cowardly shield

the rule is you can't fight with a visor, but you can take your helmet off

So now if you can't fight with a visor, and can't take your helmet off...guess what. NO FIGHTING!
There is no rule that says you can't fight with a visor. You can't INSTIGATE a fight with a visor. Big difference.

Here's the rule: 46.6 Face Protection - If a player penalized as an instigator of an altercation is wearing a face shield (including a goalkeeper), he shall be assessed an additional unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

Should the player (including a goalkeeper) who instigates the fight be wearing a face shield, but removes it before instigating the altercation, the additional unsportsmanlike conduct penalty shall not apply.

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06-20-2013, 04:41 PM
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If they add this rule the instigating with a visor rule will likely be gone from the rule book.

One of the things to note is they have this rule in the OHL where you cannot remove your own helmet. So likely they'll remove each others helmets and then start throwing. It won't kill fighting as much as anyone thinks.
I can only imagine. Players drop gloves, then proceed to take each others helmets off gently, back up, then start to fight. Loophole!

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06-20-2013, 04:42 PM
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stupid rule...

Now we will just have more broken hands..
I'd rather have a broken hand than a broken skull. I apparently have very stupid priorities.

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06-20-2013, 04:43 PM
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no

by the way, stupid rule in a stupid league.....
Fighting is sort of stupid. No other NA professional league allows its players to fight. Why should the NHL be special? Bad role modeling for younger viewers IMO. But i understand the need because players can't control their cheapshotting.

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thats what I do the majority of the time........

It's sad when the AHL is more entertaning than the big league......
AHL is not more entertaining...but that's my opinion. No wait, it's probably true. Ask 10 hockey fanatics, they would probably say the same thing as me.

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And so it begins.

Fighting is beginning to be eliminated...
Wrong. See below.

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another step towards figure skating. sad day.
This wasn't an exaggeration of a post at all...

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How many man games were lost due to injuries sustained by a fight participant hitting his hand on his opponents helmet?
So basically what you're saying is hands trump brains?

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It's a horrible thing, rats will be running around cutting peoples tendons and sucker-punching everyone. Horrible.
This is the problem. The NHL needs to cut down on cheap shots. Fix this by installing more cameras at each rink that cover every inch of the ice and problems are solved.

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This is the league eliminating fighting without eliminating fighting. Mandatory visors and now this crap? Go **** yourself NHL.
Well that escalated quickly.

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When do they implement the Nerf puck?
LOL. Post of the thread.

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Burkie, is that you?
I was gonna say...

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it is.
No it's not. Fighting doesn't belong in any professional league. It's stupid and pointless and sets bad examples for young viewers.

However, I can understand why fighting is still in the NHL. Players have to police themselves because other players can dangerously end other players careers with dirty hits and sometimes cheapshots too.

If only the NHL was better at disciplining its players, this wouldn't be an issue...

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The fact that people seem more worried about the fact that their could be less fighting than the health of the players worries me.
Yup.

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Really? We're talking about guys who play a sport that often has serious repercussions for professional's long term health, that's part of why they get paid such obscene amounts of money to play a game. It only seems normal that people would be more focused on the entertainment value of the league than these multi-millionaire's long term health.
FYI, the average NHL player makes less money per annum than any other North American Sport.

In order, you have the highest average league player salary to lowest average league player salary:

NBA
NFL
MLB
NHL

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I expect to see the new visor-mandated helmets coming with a button that you can press to remove your visor quickly
That would be gold. Genius idea. Great post.

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They can just say they're trying to ban fighting right? Just cut the ********. And this sounds like something the NHLPA should have a say in, IMO.

The ************* of the NHL continues.
So then the NFL, MLB, NBA are all bunch of ******* and the NHL is becoming like them, right?

The absurdity of that comment is just glaring.

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Simple answer:

MAGNETS!
Another great idea. However what happens when a player gets hit really hard and the force of that hit throws the magnetic visor off the helmet?

Great idea though.

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This is just an underhanded attempt to eliminate fighting altogether

they just made visors mandatory...grandfathered in. Eventually everybody will wear with cowardly shield

the rule is you can't fight with a visor, but you can take your helmet off

So now if you can't fight with a visor, and can't take your helmet off...guess what. NO FIGHTING!
Simple. Get rid of the visor instigator rule. If they don't, well we have our answer then.

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Don't care much for fighting personally, but there seems to be lack of logic here.

Everyone should wear a visor
You get a penalty for fighting with said visor
You can't take off your helmet, so you are stuck with the visor, which you have to wear, which goes against the other rule.
Lack of logic indeed. Remove the penalty for fighting with a visor and we're fine. Otherwise the NHL is banning fighting without explicitly saying that they're banning fighting.

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So, they should just forgoe their health for the pleasure of the fans? Sorry but that's wrong.
Agreed.

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fighting with helmet = penalty
starting a fight with visor = penalty
visors being grandfathered in = no fighting

will they make visors detachable so they can just rip those off before a fight?
They should. Would make it smart. But the NHL is far from smart...

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06-20-2013, 04:45 PM
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fighting with helmet = penalty
starting a fight with visor = penalty
visors being grandfathered in = no fighting

will they make visors detachable so they can just rip those off before a fight?
Actually visors being grandfathered in = fighting being grandfathered out

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06-20-2013, 04:48 PM
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Actually visors being grandfathered in = fighting being grandfathered out
Visors have been mandatory in junior hockey for as long as I can remember (literally). There are still fights in junior hockey.

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Visors have been mandatory in junior hockey for as long as I can remember (literally). There are still fights in junior hockey.
But fighting with your visor is illegal now. And taking off your helmet is too.
So they have to wear their helmet which has their visor attached to it when fighting.

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I don't really care that much. I'm against fighting (especially staged) so... not a bad rule, I guess?

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Isn't there a 2min penalty for fighting with a visor? Seems contradictory.

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They need a softer puck and softer ice. Would cut down on more injuries

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But fighting with your visor is illegal now. And taking off your helmet is too.
So they have to wear their helmet which has their visor attached to it when fighting.
There is a penalty for instigating a fight with your visor. Not fighting with it. That penalty will be scrapped as well:

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 22h

Further to the new 2 min penalty for fighting with a helmet off; league will scrap the penalty for fighting with a visor on...

https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/...24168625037312

So no, fighting with your visor will not be illegal.

Again, as I said, they have the same rule in junior hockey. They still fight in junior hockey. ALL that will happen is either they will just start throwing, or they will remove each others helmets and fight.


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Obviously both players will both take their own helmets off. Penalties even out. If the other player doesn't want to oblige with the 'hats off at the dinner table rule' you don't go to dinner.

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06-20-2013, 08:29 PM
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The 30 GMs involved with passing this are:

Anaheim - Bob Murray (former player)
Boston - Peter Chiarelli (former player)
Buffalo - Darcy Regier (former player)
Calgary - Jay Feaster
Carolina - Jim Rutherford (former player)
Chicago - Stan Bowman
Colorado - Greg Sherman
Columbus - Jarmo Kekalainen (former player)
Dallas - Jim Nill (former player)
Detroit - Ken Holland (former player)
Edmonton - Craig MacTavish (former player)
Florida - Dale Tallon (former player)
Los Angeles - Dean Lombardi (former player)
Minnesota - Chuck Fletcher
Montreal - Marc Bergevin (former player)
Nashville - David Poile (former player)
New Jersey - Lou Lamoriello (former player)
NY Islanders - Garth Snow (former player)
NY Rangers - Glen Sather (former player)
Ottawa - Bryan Murray (former player)
Philadelphia - Paul Holmgren (former player)
Phoenix - Don Maloney (former player)
Pittsburgh - Ray Shero (former player)
St. Louis - Doug Armstrong
San Jose - Doug Wilson (former player)
Tampa Bay - Steve Yzerman (former player)
Toronto - Dave Nonis (former player)
Vancouver - Mike Gillis (former player)
Washington - George McPhee (former player)
Winnipeg - Kevin Cheveldayoff (former player)

That's 25/30 who are former players, and they run the gamut as far as when they played. Lou Lamoriello played back in the early 1960s, and Steve Yzerman just retired a few years ago. All these other guys played sometime in between, whether in the minors riding the buses or as NHL All-Stars.

So if the NHL GMs, 80% of whom have a hell of a lot of experience in the game, decide that steps are going to be taken to phase out fighting, then I guess questioning their intestinal fortitude is a bad idea. I'd venture to say that someone who played 1,000 NHL games knows a hell of a lot more about the realities of both life in hockey and life after hockey than someone whose toughest physical activity is carrying two beers up a flight of stairs at a game.

But what would I know...some of the people on here clearly know more about toughness than Craig MacTavish playing 1,300 total games without a helmet.

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This is extremely stupid...to put it mildly... Next thing you know they'll give two minutes for fighting while wearing skates...

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Someone should make a removable visor.
A friend of mine has actually been working on a retractable visor that would allow for players to flip their visor back even with their glove on.
http://www.flipvisor.com/

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Per LeBrun's twitter. Still prending approval from the NHL BoG.

So...

1) Penalize players for removing their helmets when fighting.
2) Penalize players for starting fights while wearing visors.
3) Grandfather in visors for all NHL players.
How the hell does this make sense? What if a rookie starts a fight? He's going to get an extra two for starting a fight with a visor?

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How the hell does this make sense? What if a rookie starts a fight? He's going to get an extra two for starting a fight with a visor?
If he instigates a fight against someone without a visor, then yes, he will get an extra two.

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98% of the players want to keep fighting in the game, and the percentage of fans is probably higher than that. No matter what the league says, they are just trying to save money by protecting themselves from the same lawsuits that are ****ing over the NFL. They won't fully remove fighting because the enormously huge majority of people are for it.


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