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10-15-2006, 07:47 AM
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No need to panic yet. If our team looked like this in April I would be worried, but were just halfway through October. We are only about 5% into season with 95% of games left. The offence hasnt been perfect yet, but Canadiens have missed only two points out of possible eight even with their sub-par play.

Take pride Habs are playing good team defence and we have the best penalty killers in the league, theres our strenght now. The team looks like image of its coach, which leads me to believe this is where Carbonneau has been focusing first - besides turning Habs into top team in faceoffs aswell. 5 on 5 offence should be his next area to work on.

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10-15-2006, 08:12 AM
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I keep wondering if we should have let rebeiro go. He had a goal and two assists last night and was named the first star. Personally I don't like the guy to much but I think he is a more skilled player than pleks. Also if one of our centers goes down to injury we are in trouble, especially if it is Koivu.

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No need to panic yet. If our team looked like this in April I would be worried, but were just halfway through October. We are only about 5% into season with 95% of games left. The offence hasnt been perfect yet, but Canadiens have missed only two points out of possible eight even with their sub-par play.

Take pride Habs are playing good team defence and we have the best penalty killers in the league, theres our strenght now. The team looks like image of its coach, which leads me to believe this is where Carbonneau has been focusing first - besides turning Habs into top team in faceoffs aswell. 5 on 5 offence should be his next area to work on.

Good post, good things ARE happening, you might add Latendresse into the mix. Carbo is teaching HIS experiance. Asking the team to play a good two-way game. The Carbo PK system,The Carbo face-offs, asking Latendresse to focus on his defence play first, while Tender gets his head up to NHL speed, because that is exactly where Tender's learning curve is right now.

A bit more on Tender, He is learning, every game. You can see that he is not quite up to the pace of the game, you can see he is working as hard as he can on his position play. But you can also see he has NOT YET even tried to IMPOSE his will on the play.
Carbo has not turned him loose to play his power forward game.
The wonderful thing is, Latendresse is so willing to take instruction from the coaches. These instructions will pay off BIG TIME later.
The better Tender learns these lessons now the better POWER FORWARD he will end up to be.

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10-15-2006, 09:26 AM
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Good post, good things ARE happening, you might add Latendresse into the mix. Carbo is teaching HIS experiance. Asking the team to play a good two-way game. The Carbo PK system,The Carbo face-offs, asking Latendresse to focus on his defence play first, while Tender gets his head up to NHL speed, because that is exactly where Tender's learning curve is right now.

A bit more on Tender, He is learning, every game. You can see that he is not quite up to the pace of the game, you can see he is working as hard as he can on his position play. But you can also see he has NOT YET even tried to IMPOSE his will on the play.
Carbo has not turned him loose to play his power forward game.
The wonderful thing is, Latendresse is so willing to take instruction from the coaches. These instructions will pay off BIG TIME later.
The better Tender learns these lessons now the better POWER FORWARD he will end up to be.


great post!!! uh no wait, send him back to junior

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10-15-2006, 10:00 AM
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I keep wondering if we should have let rebeiro go. He had a goal and two assists last night and was named the first star. Personally I don't like the guy to much but I think he is a more skilled player than pleks. Also if one of our centers goes down to injury we are in trouble, especially if it is Koivu.
Ribs would have been his usual self with us tonight. He likely would not have scored and might have even given up a goal or two with his weak defensive play. We also lost 2 Defensman tonight. Niinimaa came up big for us. Would you have rathered it be Traverse playing over 20mins last night? Oh and guess who got the assist on Sammy's goal. It can go both ways my friend

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10-15-2006, 10:02 AM
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My God !
I can't believe some of you guys.

The ofence does not score, the defence is frigile, the Goalies are lucky.
Player X looks like he is hurt, quick trade away anything to get a replacement.

I just cant believe some of you guys!!!

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My only concern is having sammy on a line that the habs have used to play against opposing team's top line. I know, perez was no defensive specialist either but he but sammy just makes me nervous at both ends of the rink.
I really think Sammy's not completely terrible, he's definitely surprised people in fields he's not fairly good at. But at the same time, a line change may help him and the lines. The problem is that this has to be handed down as the definitive move that will magically solve problems. If nothing improves, we'll be back at the start. If something slightly good happens but there's still a lot of mishaps, we'll still be back at the start. I dunno, just that something telling me that Sammy going further down the chart isn't going to fix everything.

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10-15-2006, 12:31 PM
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The problem is simple, the second line doesn't shoot enough. Kovalev and Samsonov try to control the puck to much, SHOOT IT! Samsonov did it once and he scored. They wait to long, too much dispy doodle, too much passing. Shoot the damn puck, use your d-men, create something. DON'T DEKE THE WHOLE TEAM BY YOURSELF! Kovalev and Samsonov have tremendous shots, it is time for them TO USE THEIR SHOTS!

The first line plays a simple game, they drive the net, they shoot and they use the points. What is the result? They score goals. The third and fourht line plays like that too and they create some chances, the problem is they lack finishers. Latendresse will finish, give him time, but the problem is we don't have any secondary scoring. Kovalev and Samsonov need to play better and to simplify their game.

Plus, poor Plekanec. Everytime he is on the ice with Samso and Kovalev, he looks useless. He tries, but they don't help him at all. When on the PK with Higgins or Bonk, Pleky is dynamite, he even created chances last night on the PK. So for Pleky's sake, split that damn line.

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10-15-2006, 12:40 PM
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We haven't exactly been playing bottom of the barrel teams. Ottawa, Buffalo and Philadelphia will most likely finish in the top four or five in the East. Toronto has been playing very well and should be a playoff team. If at the end of november we're averaging under 3gpg then lets worry.

Just watch we go blow out the Flames, arguably the best defense in the league, on tuesday.

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We haven't exactly been playing bottom of the barrel teams. Ottawa, Buffalo and Philadelphia will most likely finish in the top four or five in the East. Toronto has been playing very well and should be a playoff team. If at the end of november we're averaging under 3gpg then lets worry.

Just watch we go blow out the Flames, arguably the best defense in the league, on tuesday.
I predict that either Kovalev or Samsonov will suffer a concussion due to a Dion Phaneuf hit... One of them will try to dangle him and will get kill. I hope for our sake that it will just shake them up and make them play better!

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The problem is simple, the second line doesn't shoot enough. Kovalev and Samsonov try to control the puck to much, SHOOT IT! Samsonov did it once and he scored. They wait to long, too much dispy doodle, too much passing. Shoot the damn puck, use your d-men, create something. DON'T DEKE THE WHOLE TEAM BY YOURSELF! Kovalev and Samsonov have tremendous shots, it is time for them TO USE THEIR SHOTS!

The first line plays a simple game, they drive the net, they shoot and they use the points. What is the result? They score goals. The third and fourht line plays like that too and they create some chances, the problem is they lack finishers. Latendresse will finish, give him time, but the problem is we don't have any secondary scoring. Kovalev and Samsonov need to play better and to simplify their game.
I totally agree. KISS

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I keep wondering if we should have let rebeiro go. He had a goal and two assists last night and was named the first star. Personally I don't like the guy to much but I think he is a more skilled player than pleks. Also if one of our centers goes down to injury we are in trouble, especially if it is Koivu.

The Habs were in trouble when Koivu went down even while Ribeiro was still around. True, Ribeiro had a few 3 point games, but there were far too many barren stretches, especially in the playoffs of '04 and '06. Besides, Niinimaa is sorely needed right now.

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For now im not worried, If the two overtime shout out lost would off gone are way we could of been 4-0 with 8 points. Instead we have 6 points wich is pretty good. The way I see it is that were able to play diferent types of styles. Buffalo was a team that plays a very hi tempo and a fast skating game. we were able to keep up with them goal for goal and also speed wise for most of the game. A Goal post by kovalev pretty much cost us a point. We can also play a defensive game or hard fought games. Were not going to score 5 goals every games. Its important that the habs are able to adap to diferent teams and the way they play and so far the habs handle them self well in every situation. Last night we only got one power play. Youre not going to score 4 goals when you only have 1pp. The habs have done a wonderful job of keeping the oposing teams go to guys of the score sheat.

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its way to early in the year to make a judgment .
give it 20 games will get a better idea

if we can manage to get 6 outta 8 pts like we have not playing our best hockey i cant complain about that .

getting any points vs divisional opponents has to be loooked at as a positive .


thats what happend last season we had a great start but every1 knew theo was crap and we were getting lucky most of the time when it finally caught up to us we went downhill till huet came to the rescue

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The problem is simple, the second line doesn't shoot enough. Kovalev and Samsonov try to control the puck to much, SHOOT IT! Samsonov did it once and he scored. They wait to long, too much dispy doodle, too much passing. Shoot the damn puck, use your d-men, create something. DON'T DEKE THE WHOLE TEAM BY YOURSELF! Kovalev and Samsonov have tremendous shots, it is time for them TO USE THEIR SHOTS!

The first line plays a simple game, they drive the net, they shoot and they use the points. What is the result? They score goals. The third and fourht line plays like that too and they create some chances, the problem is they lack finishers. Latendresse will finish, give him time, but the problem is we don't have any secondary scoring. Kovalev and Samsonov need to play better and to simplify their game.

Plus, poor Plekanec. Everytime he is on the ice with Samso and Kovalev, he looks useless. He tries, but they don't help him at all. When on the PK with Higgins or Bonk, Pleky is dynamite, he even created chances last night on the PK. So for Pleky's sake, split that damn line.
You can look at it this way. When you hold the puck for a long period of time, less chances the other team gets. I mean in football you want your offensive team to be on the field as much as posible because this way the other team wont get as many oportunitys to score points. Its the same in hockey. Kovalev and samsonov are not effective in there own zone so I dont have a problem if all they do is carry the puck for the hole shift. There talented players let them have the puck. Kovalev and samsonov are not useless when they have the puck, there useless when the other team has the puck while there on the ice. If all kovalev and samsonov did was shoot and miss most of the time, the other team could just recover the rebound and control the paste of the shift. How many times did kovalev take a penalty when the other team had control of the puck in the habs zone. Hes not exacly most discipline player on the habs. However when he does have the puck he can create pp chances.

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Why not try Bonk with Kovy and Samsonov for a while . He 's more implicated this year , and is playing well .

Sorry about Plekanec , but he 's more suited for the role he had last season . He 's so good on the 3 th line .

Bonk had a bad season last year , but now he looks more like the plaayer he was with the Sens . He's used to the role of the offensive center . For those who are saying that it's still soon , just figure what it would be , if next game Saku would get an serious injury . Pleky , with his career of 6 goals would be our first center ? ouch !

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I was at the game tonight and let me tell you what our problem is, the second line. The higgins/koivu/ryder and bonk/johnson/perezhogin lines are fine but the second line is just god awful, Kovalev and Samsonov are too much alike.

That, and the fact that Kovalev looked like he didn't want to be there tonight just didn't help. He looked like an headless chicken without the puck on a few occasions, he just didn't care...
Yeah, but I read somewhere that Kovalev is playing injured. If this is true then we have to be patient. If, on the other hand, we know for sure that he's 100% healthy and playing like this then we are justified in criticising him. Of course, this applies to any player. Some times it's very difficult to tell whether or not a player is trying his best when he's playing with an injury. Anyone remember Ryder last year???? He did the best that he could while playing with an injury for 80% of the year and that best looked aweful on number of nights, but still at the end of the day he scored 30 goals which more than justifies that he was giving his best effort on most nights.

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How about splitting up Kovy-Plekanec-Sams ? Kovalev-Bonk-Samsonov would do the trick and if not, trade bonk, he's not needed then lol I think Johnson/Perez-Plekanec-Latendresse would be nice 3rd line, a line with speed and strenght. We need offensive defensemen too.


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You can look at it this way. When you hold the puck for a long period of time, less chances the other team gets. I mean in football you want your offensive team to be on the field as much as posible because this way the other team wont get as many oportunitys to score points. Its the same in hockey. Kovalev and samsonov are not effective in there own zone so I dont have a problem if all they do is carry the puck for the hole shift. There talented players let them have the puck. Kovalev and samsonov are not useless when they have the puck, there useless when the other team has the puck while there on the ice. If all kovalev and samsonov did was shoot and miss most of the time, the other team could just recover the rebound and control the paste of the shift. How many times did kovalev take a penalty when the other team had control of the puck in the habs zone. Hes not exacly most discipline player on the habs. However when he does have the puck he can create pp chances.
A very interesting take on the 2nd line, but still they have to shoot more because they have to produce more because they're our 2nd line. No doubt that more shooting will lead to more turnovers to the other team, but the second line has got to adjust their game accordingly. If they can't, and they're not producing, then they should not be our 2nd line.

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Why not try Bonk with Kovy and Samsonov for a while . He 's more implicated this year , and is playing well .

Sorry about Plekanec , but he 's more suited for the role he had last season . He 's so good on the 3 th line .

Bonk had a bad season last year , but now he looks more like the plaayer he was with the Sens . He's used to the role of the offensive center . For those who are saying that it's still soon , just figure what it would be , if next game Saku would get an serious injury . Pleky , with his career of 6 goals would be our first center ? ouch !

umm, last I checked Pleky had a career 9 goals...
Mind you, that doesn't make much of a difference as it would still be a terrible situation.

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I keep wondering if we should have let rebeiro go. He had a goal and two assists last night and was named the first star. Personally I don't like the guy to much but I think he is a more skilled player than pleks. Also if one of our centers goes down to injury we are in trouble, especially if it is Koivu.
5 pts in 4 games on the 4th line... Yet people still believe Plekanec is superior offensively (Catch22 for one)....

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Why not try Bonk with Kovy and Samsonov for a while . He 's more implicated this year , and is playing well .

Sorry about Plekanec , but he 's more suited for the role he had last season . He 's so good on the 3 th line .

Bonk had a bad season last year , but now he looks more like the plaayer he was with the Sens . He's used to the role of the offensive center . For those who are saying that it's still soon , just figure what it would be , if next game Saku would get an serious injury . Pleky , with his career of 6 goals would be our first center ? ouch !
No...he really doesn't. He hasn't looked a shade like he did back in the day. Bonk has created the least amount of chances on that entire line... Don't expect him to go much over the 30 pt mark.

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5 pts in 4 games on the 4th line... Yet people still believe Plekanec is superior offensively (Catch22 for one)....
Yeah, but 4 of his 5 points are not the result of 4th line duty. Instead, they were gotten on the power play. Thus, as a 4th liner, he only has one point, not 5.

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