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06-20-2013, 04:22 PM
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That's certainly interesting to look at. Odd not see anything behind one of the nets.

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Comparing Nascar to Hockey is difficult. You are comparing a sport where each team has to play 82 games and almost all are televised (Florida...) so saturation is a little higher. Nascar made $3B in Revenue last year, Hockey made $2.9B very close.


Secondly, I would not be surprised if there are more renovations made throughout the next few summers to better accommodate the Islanders.

As far as the comments about the players not wanting to play there, Nassau was rated deadlast in where the players enjoy playing. They use to hate MSG and Pittsburgh's old arena, but one was renovated, the other was torn down.

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I think if they can convert the concrete end to foldable end, it would improve the arena for hockey. It shouldnt be that hard. And as for the scoreboard, make it movable.

And Barclays Center looks real great when you see it in person.

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Looks pretty bad right now, I really hope they follow through with the renovations.

The only thing that matters to me in an arena are the sight lines, which is why I love the Coliseum. I don't give a **** about the food, shops, luxury suites, etc. I'm there to watch a hockey game.

I am all for the move to Brooklyn, but it will be very disappointing if the sight lines are poor.

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I think if they can convert the concrete end to foldable end, it would improve the arena for hockey. It shouldnt be that hard. And as for the scoreboard, make it movable.

And Barclays Center looks real great when you see it in person.
I don't think it would be hard per say, but it would be very expensive and very time consuming. Also you have to shut down operations for a good portion of time. I see no reason why Barclays would commit to have the Islanders in their building if they weren't prepared to pay such a price. It would look very bad for their image, and they should be smarter than to allow NHL hockey to be played in.... that thing... for 25 years. If they do the very expensive renovations, then the New York Islanders shoot up to the top in revenues and profits, and arena size won't do much to hinder it. I'm thinking 120-130M in total revenues that area, but it could easily be more. If they don't do the renovations, they'll pretty much stay where they are, and continue to be the laughing stock of the league.

I'm not an engineer, but I think renovations would start at 100M, and could go as high as 300M in cost and lost profits. I think, it's worth it, considering we are talking about a locked in 25 year timeframe, and that the Barclay's Center is slowly taking over business operations for the team. I wonder if the contract could be dropped if both parties agree to negate it?

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I don't mind the external design, it just looks like crap because it's got a rusted steel colour to it. Give it more metallic shine and it would look decent.

The interior looks great - very intimate and comfortable... for basketball.
When set up for hockey, it's just a mess.

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it'll look better if and when the mixed use towers are thrown up around it as planned


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I don't think it would be hard per say, but it would be very expensive and very time consuming. Also you have to shut down operations for a good portion of time. I see no reason why Barclays would commit to have the Islanders in their building if they weren't prepared to pay such a price. It would look very bad for their image, and they should be smarter than to allow NHL hockey to be played in.... that thing... for 25 years. If they do the very expensive renovations, then the New York Islanders shoot up to the top in revenues and profits, and arena size won't do much to hinder it. I'm thinking 120-130M in total revenues that area, but it could easily be more. If they don't do the renovations, they'll pretty much stay where they are, and continue to be the laughing stock of the league.

I'm not an engineer, but I think renovations would start at 100M, and could go as high as 300M in cost and lost profits. I think, it's worth it, considering we are talking about a locked in 25 year timeframe, and that the Barclay's Center is slowly taking over business operations for the team. I wonder if the contract could be dropped if both parties agree to negate it?
2, 3 months should be enough. While they are doing that they can add Isles locker room. NBA season doesnt start until October anyway (end in June and in Nets case, May). You arent demolishing whole thing, just one small section. Dodgers demolished small section of their stadium to put in lockerroom and other things and put it back together before this season started.

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Is that actually the final configuration?
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I wonder if fans will keep going if they discover the sight lines suck and the tickets are more expensive.
Modern pro sports economics: The last seats are the cheapest seats.

The Islanders earned $20 million in gate revenue in NVMC. In Barclays, they can earn $54 million from suites and premium seating alone.

If there's 3000 cheap seats selling for $30 in a "normal" NHL arena, that's under $5 million in revenue from seats 15K to 18K.

Had they left the NY market, they could earn that $5 million in bigger venue tickets, and the $55 million from suites/premium seating a state of the art arena would provide. But (a) no guarantee the new market is as interested as NY for hockey, and most importantly, very few markets have TV deals like the Islanders.

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This is just another area where the NHL has shown a lack of foresight. When the plans were being changed, Bettman should have stepped in and told Nassau / Suffolk counties that their time was up, and brokered a deal at that time with the Isles and Barclays.
The issue wasn't foresight. Ratner designed Barclays to fit an NHL rink.
Those plans were modified because the clock was ticking on his financing and he didn't have city approval.
He had to get a shovel in the ground or lose is financial backing, and the revised, smaller arena would be approved.

At the time, Wang and the Islanders still had TWO avenues to get a new arena built. The Lighthouse wasn't rejected yet; and the referendum hadn't taken place.

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Well the lease is only for 25 years so by the time the Islanders are also force they will already be done with that lease.
See also: $35 million in additional suite revenue.

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I remember reading an article about the bar of clay in Brooklyn, and if I remember right it was designed to "rust out". Yuck. That architect needs to be fired.

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I don't know why people see this and think "wow just shows how much no one cares about hockey!". The Barclay's center was never intended to host a hockey team. The Isles just stepped in during construction and said, "Hey, mind if we play here?" (I don't entirely know the situation but that's how I interpreted it). I mean it's not like the builders already knew the Isles would play there and purposely made the hockey setup ****** anyway.

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Modern pro sports economics: The last seats are the cheapest seats.

The Islanders earned $20 million in gate revenue in NVMC. In Barclays, they can earn $54 million from suites and premium seating alone.

If there's 3000 cheap seats selling for $30 in a "normal" NHL arena, that's under $5 million in revenue from seats 15K to 18K.

Had they left the NY market, they could earn that $5 million in bigger venue tickets, and the $55 million from suites/premium seating a state of the art arena would provide. But (a) no guarantee the new market is as interested as NY for hockey, and most importantly, very few markets have TV deals like the Islanders.



The issue wasn't foresight. Ratner designed Barclays to fit an NHL rink.
Those plans were modified because the clock was ticking on his financing and he didn't have city approval.
He had to get a shovel in the ground or lose is financial backing, and the revised, smaller arena would be approved.

At the time, Wang and the Islanders still had TWO avenues to get a new arena built. The Lighthouse wasn't rejected yet; and the referendum hadn't taken place.



See also: $35 million in additional suite revenue.
This is at worst a break even proposition for the Islanders (and I have a hard time seeing it get that bad), and a potential grand slam at best. In the end, it's all about location, location, location, and it really doesn't get much better than Brooklyn. So many potential customers, and so much money floating around. Capacity on it's own is not an issue at all, and if anything, it helps the Islanders in a similar way that a small arena helped the Jets... it creates demand and buzz.

But I have to call a spade a spade... the seating is atrocious, and something has to be done about it before they play NHL regular season games. Especially in the corners in the lower bowl, you almost have to turn around to see the corner boards. How are you supposed to charge full price for that exactly?

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I think it's brutal. The Coliseum has much better sight lines. That's the price we have to pay to keep our team though.

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This is at worst a break even proposition for the Islanders (and I have a hard time seeing it get that bad), and a potential grand slam at best. In the end, it's all about location, location, location, and it really doesn't get much better than Brooklyn. So many potential customers, and so much money floating around. Capacity on it's own is not an issue at all, and if anything, it helps the Islanders in a similar way that a small arena helped the Jets... it creates demand and buzz.

But I have to call a spade a spade... the seating is atrocious, and something has to be done about it before they play NHL regular season games. Especially in the corners in the lower bowl, you almost have to turn around to see the corner boards. How are you supposed to charge full price for that exactly?
If the suites leases are sold out, it's better than break even (compared to NVMC).

Suites are corporate in nature. With the proximity to Manhattan and the fact that the suites won't have obstructed views, they're going to make more money in Brooklyn than NVMC.

The configuration is GOING to be a problem. But Islanders fans watch on TV now because of the arena/lease situation & watching on TV is better than losing your team.

It's not ideal, but it's a better not-ideal situation than before.

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Another drawback I see here is that there is still no entrances to the locker rooms behind the bench. Sucks for the players , coaches, and training staff.
What current NHL arenas have locker room entrances that aren't attached to the benches? I know the visiting team at the Tank has to skate across the ice to get to their locker room.

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As to your second "point," it's a design critique on my part. The arena is hideous.
Examples of excellent modern architecture please.

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i'd love to see a conversion video of NBA -> NHL -> NBA for the barclays center.

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from the link on page 1.....
http://islanderspointblank.com/islan...rd/#more-41139
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A source with knowledge of the planning has told Point Blank that as a result of the arena not being specifically designed for hockey this will indeed be the layout and Barclaysí scoreboard will not hang directly over center ice. It will be off-center, hanging over one side of the neutral zone. The Barclays is going to leave this aspect of the setup as-is.

The source added that the Barclays Center is looking at possible ways to fit more seats into the arena, which will hold at least 14,500 for hockey, but that it isnít possible to make changes to the sightlines or the structure of the building.
It would seem this will be the basic set up for 25 years. I'm glad the Islander fans get to keep the team and they don't seem bothered by this so far.


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Examples of excellent modern architecture please.
Examples not needed. You can judge a building based on it's own merit, or lack thereof. I've seen the building and I find it to be hideous to look at. However, I could care less what it looks like on the exterior. But leaving the island to play in a building where hockey was an afterthought...and where one end of the arena doesn't even have seating...for 25 years...doesn't seem to be a huge improvement relative to what they're leaving...age of the building notwithstanding.

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looks like a piece of **** compared to oilers new arena

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on the tumbnails
Point 1: not sure you can see all the ice,:
Point 2: no way you can see in the short corner
Point 3: seat pointing ...

i don't see them playing 25 years there....
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The NHL just had to have three teams in NY, they just had to because no other sport, let alone hockey, has 10% of the league in one market.

So I can't wait to hear how loud and intense Isles games are in a chopped up arena, game atmosphere will suck even if they draw.

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Question... could they not put in "bleacher seats" behind the goal on the left end? This would give them extra seats, at moderately high prices. And if they can get a bit over 500 in there, it would mean that MTS Centre in Winnipeg would still be the smallest arena in the league.

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Question... could they not put in "bleacher seats" behind the goal on the left end? This would give them extra seats, at moderately high prices. And if they can get a bit over 500 in there, it would mean that MTS Centre in Winnipeg would still be the smallest arena in the league.
This is so stupid, this so dumb...did we really need to keep the Isles in NY and really need three...THREE nhl teams in one market at this cost?

Really? The Pacific Northwest has no team, Quebec City has no team, the gulf coast has no team...but we had to keep THREE teams in NY and one in Phoenix....and the NHL wonders why.....

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on the tumbnails
Point 1: not sure you can see all the ice,:
Point 2: no way you can see in the short corner
Point 3: seat pointing ...

i don't see them playing 25 years there....
No ifs, ands, or butts, they have to make the other end retractable through a very expensive remodel, or else hockey simply will not work. The ice HAS to be centered. No band-aid solution will fix it.

P.S. The hockey market in Toronto is bigger than the hockey market in all of New York... maybe.

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