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Kris Letang for Dougie Hamilton + 3rd

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06-20-2013, 10:06 PM
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But it's so much easier to classify every offensive defensive you don't watch on a regular basis as "bad defensively".
Exactly. This is an HF refrain that really bothers me (defensemen who produce points are - by default - "bad defensively").

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Letang was -6 in the bruins series. Sounds pretty bad.

Krug will most likely be a poor mans Letang and will be hidden on the third pairing. Dumb for us to trade someone with as much size and upside as dougie at such a young age.
It's great that you've chosen a 4 game sample size to make an argument about a player with almost 400 NHL games on his resume. I won't say anything else on that subject.

With regards to Krug, it is way too soon to postulate that he will "most likely" be a poor man's Letang. He may turn into just that, but it's too soon to say the he will "most likely" be such a player.

As an aside, I don't have any problem with you not liking the trade that's been proposed.

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Who judges players based on one series? Besides all of HF, I mean.
Exactly.

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06-20-2013, 10:07 PM
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Letang was -6 in the bruins series. Sounds pretty bad.
Four game sample sizes don't tell you a lot about a player.

Anyway, I don't think either team does this. Pens are a contender now and trading Letang only makes sense if they're getting someone ready to make an impact now. The only real reasons to trade him would be to change the dynamic of the team to improve in other areas or because they don't want to lock up tons of money in three players going forward. They also have a ton of defenseman prospects.

Likewise, while Letang would make the Bruins better now, it might not be worth it if it means losing guys like Horton. They have time to bring Hamilton along and hopefully turn him into a #1 before Chara starts to fall off. Also, they're already a fantastic 5 on 5 team. If they want a high end offensive blueliner, it makes more sense to go after someone who's better at running a PP, who might also be cheaper (both to acquire and in cap hit)

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06-20-2013, 10:09 PM
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Boston could use a guy like Letang. But losing hamilton is going to hurt.

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06-20-2013, 10:10 PM
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Hamilton is still young and will become one of the NHL's elite in a few years.
Pittsburgh wouldn't trade Letang to the East (or whatever they're calling the confrences next year, I'm not sure)

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06-20-2013, 10:11 PM
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This.

Plus Hamilton won't be demanding $7 million for a good while. If Letang was so amazing you would think Pens fans would be wanting to keep him, instead I see his name in just about every insane trade proposal under the Sun.

I'd take Hamilton over Letang, Cap being a huge reason.
As a point of order, Pens fans aren't necessarily floating Letang's name because they don't think he's worth $7M to *any* team, it's just that he might price himself off *their* team at that rate given that there are already guys eating up $9.5M, $8.7M, $5M, $5M, and $5M on their roster...

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06-20-2013, 10:12 PM
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As a point of order, Pens fans aren't necessarily floating Letang's name because they don't think he's worth $7M to *any* team, it's just that he might price himself off *their* team at that rate given that there are already guys eating up $9.5M, $8.7M, $5M, $5M, and $5M on their roster...
But that applies to pretty much any consistent Cup contending team who is constantly up against the Cap.

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Boston could use a guy like Letang.
Not at the salary he's gonna want.

Boston needs cost controlled players like Krug and Hamilton right now. There's no need to acquire Letang with our current roster the way it is.

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Letang was -6 in the bruins series. Sounds pretty bad.

Krug will most likely be a poor mans Letang and will be hidden on the third pairing. Dumb for us to trade someone with as much size and upside as dougie at such a young age.
Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin are also lousy offensive players.

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say Horton leaves and Savard retires

Deal?
How exactly do the Bruins fit the $7 million that Letang is going to want? It will be somewhere near that number and the Bruins do not have the cap space to do that.

Savard won't be retiring either, he isn't going to just not take the money he has coming to him.

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Letang wouldn't be nearly as strong in Boston's system. Not worth it for either side.

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06-20-2013, 10:21 PM
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Who judges players based on one series? Besides all of HF, I mean.
How many series can you make this excuse before it can be attributed to him as a player?

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06-20-2013, 10:22 PM
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^ This is the latest myth being spread about Letang. To be clear, the only aspects of Letang's game that are "elite" are his 5 on 5 point production and his skating. His largest area of struggle is not in his own end, but rather on the PP. On the PP, the extra time/space often lulls Letang into complicating would-be simple plays and making bone headed plays. In his own end, Letang is "good." He's not great, and he's certainly not bad. He has a very active stick, he is surprisingly physical for his size. His positioning is mediocre, but his skating ability often allows him to stay in plays when his default positioning isn't perfect. This notion that Letang "sucks" at defense is purely a myth.
I have some news for you, people have been saying that Letang is suspect defensively since he played his first NHL game.

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06-20-2013, 10:56 PM
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How many series can you make this excuse before it can be attributed to him as a player?
I don't need to make excuses for any other series.

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06-20-2013, 10:57 PM
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I have some news for you, people have been saying that Letang is suspect defensively since he played his first NHL game.
People like parroting lazy scouting reports.

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this is one of the worst trade proposals I've ever seen. Pens get fleeced in value. Like, robbed blind. Meanwhile, Boston can't afford to keep him. Just terrible all around.

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But it's so much easier to classify every offensive defensive you don't watch on a regular basis as "bad defensively".
Except what if we watch him regularly and still think he's mediocre defensively?

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Krug + Koko + 2nd

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Young NHL ready players > 1 year of Letang.

Offensive defensemen have had a history to not thrive in Boston.

Letang would make the Bruins a slightly better team for 1 year. With the likely inability to re-sign him to the contract he's supposedly asking for (I mean, what other reason would Pittsburgh be trying to move him?).

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No reason Boston should do this. None whatsoever.

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No thank you on Letang in Boston.

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Letang wouldn't be nearly as strong in Boston's system. Not worth it for either side.
This, Letang in Boston would be a lot like Kaberle. Hamilton fits them like a glove assuming he keeps following his development trajectory.

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Pens trade Letang for a guy they hope will be like Letang in several years?

While they wait and hope for that to happen, they get a third rounder to make up for the huge chasm?

That third rounder has me so excited I'm not gonna sleep thinking 'bout it.

Golly, I hope Shero jumps all over this.

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Pens trade Letang for a guy they hope will be like Letang in several years?

While they wait and hope for that to happen, they get a third rounder to make up for the huge chasm?

That third rounder has me so excited I'm not gonna sleep thinking 'bout it.

Golly, I hope Shero jumps all over this.
Way to overlook the most crucial factor that's been mentioned... his contract demands. He only has 1 year left on his contract. His 1 year is not worth the OP's trade to Boston.

I suggest you try to trade him to a team with Cap space or try to re-sign him.

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yes because boston should trade their young promising dman for a year rental

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Way to overlook the most crucial factor that's been mentioned... his contract demands. He only has 1 year left on his contract. His 1 year is not worth the OP's trade to Boston. I suggest you try to trade him to a team with Cap space or try to re-sign him.
Boston's cap space really isn't my concern. I'm not the one who posted the silly deal.

Just because Boston is tight to the cap, doesn't make it any less of a horrible deal from a Pens POV.

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