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Barclays Center is set up for hockey, and it's weird

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06-20-2013, 10:21 PM
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It seems I'm minority here but I like the building. Well, as a basketball arena at least.

The exterior is unique and while the rusted look is not everyone's cup of tea, it can be and has been used very effectively here to create an aesthetically pleasing facade. As to how it will age, that is anyone's guess. Victorian architecture was once hated much like brutalism is today. Good architecture ages better than bad architecture though and in that regard, I think this building will do better than most of its glass contemporaries.

Unfortunately, it is not a hockey arena, and I'm still disappointed that the NHL allowed this move by Islanders. You should not be able to move into an arena where half the stands need to come out to fit a regulation sized rink. It looks ridiculous, it is ridiculous, and it will be, barring a renovation, for every single one of the next 25 years.

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06-20-2013, 10:35 PM
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Examples not needed. You can judge a building based on it's own merit, or lack thereof. I've seen the building and I find it to be hideous to look at. However, I could care less what it looks like on the exterior. But leaving the island to play in a building where hockey was an afterthought...and where one end of the arena doesn't even have seating...for 25 years...doesn't seem to be a huge improvement relative to what they're leaving...age of the building notwithstanding.
Well I wasn't addressing you and I wasn't asking for examples of excellent modern architecture to judge the merits of this building, but please, enlighten me. I would love, love, love, love to read a well thought out and cogent review of this structure from such an accomplished architectural critic as yourself.

And since you're such an accomplished architectural critic perhaps you could provide some examples of fine modern architecture to enlighten us proles.

I will presume if you are unable to that you're talking out your ass, which of course is in fitting around here.

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06-20-2013, 10:41 PM
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Well I wasn't addressing you and I wasn't asking for examples of excellent modern architecture to judge the merits of this building, but please, enlighten me. I would love, love, love, love to read a well thought out and cogent review of this structure from such an accomplished architectural critic as yourself.

And since you're such an accomplished architectural critic perhaps you could provide some examples of fine modern architecture to enlighten us proles.

I will presume if you are unable to that you're talking out your ass, which of course is in fitting around here.
Enlighten you how? I don't need a well thought out and cogent review of the structure, nor do I need to be an architectural critic, much less an an accomplished one in order to have an opinion. You're no more either of those things than I am, but I'm sure you have an opinion nonetheless. You're just PO'ed because yours is different than mine. I think the building is outright fugly whether you like it or not. Since when does one have to talk out his ass or otherwise in order to express an opinion? That's what it boils down to. I'm not stating anything factual. I'm expressing my opinion. I respect yours...whatever it may be. Try to show some common GD courtesy and return the favor. Thank you.

I never knew people needed to be experts or professional in order to give a subjective opinoin.

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06-20-2013, 10:44 PM
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It seems I'm minority here but I like the building. Well, as a basketball arena at least.

The exterior is unique and while the rusted look is not everyone's cup of tea, it can be and has been used very effectively here to create an aesthetically pleasing facade. As to how it will age, that is anyone's guess. Victorian architecture was once hated much like brutalism is today. Good architecture ages better than bad architecture though and in that regard, I think this building will do better than most of its glass contemporaries.

Unfortunately, it is not a hockey arena, and I'm still disappointed that the NHL allowed this move by Islanders. You should not be able to move into an arena where half the stands need to come out to fit a regulation sized rink. It looks ridiculous, it is ridiculous, and it will be, barring a renovation, for every single one of the next 25 years.
Better brace yourself for criticism. If you're not a professional architectural enthusiast or critic, you're not allowed to voice your opinion on such matters around here. It's against the rules.

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06-20-2013, 10:46 PM
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Yeah, it looks stupid. Such is life.

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It seems I'm minority here but I like the building. Well, as a basketball arena at least.

The exterior is unique and while the rusted look is not everyone's cup of tea, it can be and has been used very effectively here to create an aesthetically pleasing facade. As to how it will age, that is anyone's guess. Victorian architecture was once hated much like brutalism is today. Good architecture ages better than bad architecture though and in that regard, I think this building will do better than most of its glass contemporaries.

Unfortunately, it is not a hockey arena, and I'm still disappointed that the NHL allowed this move by Islanders. You should not be able to move into an arena where half the stands need to come out to fit a regulation sized rink. It looks ridiculous, it is ridiculous, and it will be, barring a renovation, for every single one of the next 25 years.
As long as it seats 15000+ good seats I dont care how it looks and and one else should neither. Otherwise Winnipeg never should have gotten a team with MTS Centre.

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06-20-2013, 10:56 PM
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Better brace yourself for criticism. If you're not a professional architectural enthusiast or critic, you're not allowed to voice your opinion on such matters around here. It's against the rules.
Well I didn't say that either.

People are free to express their opinions as they wish, and there are plenty of opinions on the BoH. Informed ones are of course in short supply but such is life.

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Yeah, it looks stupid. Such is life.
Get him Thomas! Get him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Examples of excellent modern architecture please.
Frank Gehry's original concept was pretty excellent, in my opinion. When they passed the project off to Ellerbe Becket, it kind of became a mess.

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Well I didn't say that either.

People are free to express their opinions as they wish, and there are plenty of opinions on the BoH. Informed ones are of course in short supply but such is life.
Informed opinions? LOL

Personal preference regarding exterior aesthetics and architecture doesn't have to do with being informed. It's like saying people that dislike purple cars aren't informed because you happen to like them.

The building's hideous in my opinion. But I didn't go to architectural charm school. Perhaps I'm being unkind.

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The NHL just had to have three teams in NY, they just had to because no other sport, let alone hockey, has 10% of the league in one market.
A - The NHL had nothing to do with it, it was the Devils (Rockies).
B - And MLS has had over 10% of the league in one market for a while

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06-20-2013, 11:03 PM
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What was the circumstance in which NHl let Rockies move to NJ? Was it when Canadian dollars were weak?

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They'll see a big boost in game day revenue when they first move into Barclays, but dollars to donuts they're going to be wishing that they didn't sign such a longterm lease before their time there's up, especially if they ice a great team and become a hot ticket.

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What was the circumstance in which NHl let Rockies move to NJ? Was it when Canadian dollars were weak?
In 1978, New Jersey trucking magnate Arthur Imperatore, Sr. bought the Rockies with the intention of moving them to northern New Jersey. The NHL kept saying no because they didn't have a venue yet, and relented when the arena opened in 1982-83.

Gary Bettman was 25 years old when the process started, just out of law school and didn't start working for the NHL until well over a decade later. So it's all his fault.

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I really hate that there is no seats behind the goalie, I'm sure the shooters won't mind though. They should give away those seats on the left side.

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They'll see a big boost in game day revenue when they first move into Barclays, but dollars to donuts they're going to be wishing that they didn't sign such a longterm lease before their time there's up, especially if they ice a great team and become a hot ticket.
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They'll see a big boost in game day revenue when they first move into Barclays, but dollars to donuts they're going to be wishing that they didn't sign such a longterm lease before their time there's up, especially if they ice a great team and become a hot ticket.
The 25 year lease is a sweetheart deal people are forgetting. The team will sell tickets because its a new arena and as long as the team performs. The arena is rarely a focal point when the team plays like a champ.

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They'll see a big boost in game day revenue when they first move into Barclays, but ith dollars to donuts they're going to be wishing that they didn't sign such a longterm lease before their time there's up, especially if they ice a mgreat team and become a hot ticket.
I rather have the best team with the worst arena then the worst team with the best arena.

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I rather have the best team with the worst arena then the worst team with the best arena.
How about a decent team with a decent arena. The seating is pretty ******. There's gotta be something they can do before the Isles actually start playing there.

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Like I said if theres a 15000 GOOD seats its not a problem. There is already 14500 good seats there. So all the garbage sightline seats are not part of it.

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At the end of the lease hockey will be a mostly cammed event. The coverage will be such that most people won't make the trip to the arena any more. Really, the crowd will be used for reaction noise and celebrity placements.

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The Senedd in Cardiff is probably my favorite Rogers design

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Like I said if theres a 15000 GOOD seats its not a problem. There is already 14500 good seats there. So all the garbage sightline seats are not part of it.
14,500 is the capacity for hockey that's including the garbage seats.

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Wow....

I knew it was going to be pretty bad, but yikes.

At least the team is staying.

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I think he is totally right when he writes hockey is 4th or 5th in America. I would say 5th or 6th.

NFL, MLB, NBA, College, Nascar way front.

The NHL in places like Barclays is not the cause, it's the evidence.
The NHL is definitely more popular than NASCAR. NASCAR has a very regional (think Southern US) following.

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