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06-20-2013, 09:53 PM
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If Lindholm, Monahan or Nichuskin are available at the pick I would consider it.

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06-20-2013, 09:53 PM
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Is this lakai17???
Is it just me, or is this guy actually posting a horrible proposal every day? And did this guy not appear around the same time that we were sick and tired of Laikai posting a proposal every day?

Damn, this IS horrible!

Ottawa values Zibanejad and has no reason to trade him away. There's certainly no reason for them to trade him for more quantity. I really respect that Senators' depth. Right now they either need time for their young guys to develop or another big impact player to put them over the top. Not another handful of players to further infuse depth into their roster.

As for Edmonton, this is the absolute worse proposal we've seen so far that involves the 7th overall pick. People talk about how bad Edmonton's depth at center is, but their depth at left wing is equally bad.

In this trade Edmonton gives up a Lindholmd/Monohan, further screws their depth on the left wing while giving up on a damn good player in Paajarvi, a second rounder and a potential future top 4 stay at home d-man in Musil.

Seriously... it wouldn't be so bad if someone was making a proposal every day if the proposals made at least a little bit of sense for both sides.

This is one of those times where we'd love shout tons of rude things, but we can't, because we're supposed to act like mature human beings. All we can do is hope that the mods make the right choice.

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06-20-2013, 09:55 PM
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no way

the difference between Paajarvi and Zibanejad isn't very big, infact, MPS' rookie season was better in my opinion. Hes better defensively, better skater, bigger, and has started using his size this season.


7th + Musil + Anaheim 2nd > Zibanejad

Paajarvi > 17th
I think I'd call it a wash ... their numbers are very similar. Simple fact here is that even if both sides agreed on value this does not address team needs on either end. Zibanejad wouldn't really be considered a "big centre" and Ottawa is flush with bottom-9 wingers.

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06-20-2013, 09:56 PM
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If Lindholm, Monahan or Nichuskin are available at the pick I would consider it.
If they were NOT available that would suggest that one of Barkov, Jones, Drouin or MacKinnon would be available instead... in such a case you'd be even more inclined to make this deal.

Which means you'd consider this deal.

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06-20-2013, 10:00 PM
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If they were NOT available that would suggest that one of Barkov, Jones, Drouin or MacKinnon would be available instead... in such a case you'd be even more inclined to make this deal.

Which means you'd consider this deal.
Good point. I'm still a little hesitant on Nichuskin so my preference would be towards Lindholm or Monahan, but yeah...I'd do the deal in that case.

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06-20-2013, 10:04 PM
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If Lindholm, Monahan or Nichuskin are available at the pick I would consider it.
If Monahan is available at #7 it sounds like the Oilers are taking him.

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06-20-2013, 10:11 PM
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My bad got wpg and ott confused..

7th + Pajaarvi + Maracinin for 17th + Zibanejad
I wouldn't do that from Edmonton lol, A) bad spelling B) Marincin is developing too nicely to be a balance piece

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06-20-2013, 10:17 PM
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My bad got wpg and ott confused..

7th + Pajaarvi + Maracinin for 17th + Zibanejad
OMG! That's even worse for Edmonton.

Why not just throw in Smid and Petry for good measure?

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06-20-2013, 10:21 PM
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Pajaarvi is a bust for where he was picked there is a difference
I don't agree with the proposal but.. how is he a bust? He's going to be an NHL player for a long time. Look at who was picked after him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_nhl_entry_draft

In hindsight people will say the Oilers should've drafted Kulikov but they made out pretty well considering who else was available.

MPS is going to take a while to develop but he's going to be a valuble piece. I agree he hasn't lived up to peoples over zealous expectations but he's tracking well compared to others in his draft class.

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06-20-2013, 10:28 PM
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Unlikely blockbuster between Ottawa and Edmonton

one of the following I think is decent value wise, I'm sure neither fan base wants to give up their guy though.

Zibanejad + 17th overall for 7th overall + Pajaarvi + Musil + Ana 2nd
Blockbuster? Try Hall for Karlsson...

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06-20-2013, 11:37 PM
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Blockbuster? Try Hall for Karlsson...
You mean Hall + Yakupov for Karlsson then we consider it but we might hesitate. lol

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06-20-2013, 11:44 PM
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Blockbuster? Try Hall for Karlsson...
Try a flat out No Way On Earth, unless Edm puts in a very substantial plus. Prior to his injury last season Karlsson was the best player in the league.

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06-20-2013, 11:49 PM
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Magnus is a bust. No thanks.

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06-20-2013, 11:51 PM
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Replace Zib for Puempel + and I would be interested

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06-20-2013, 11:55 PM
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Magnus is a bust. No thanks.
glad im not the only 1 who thinks so

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06-21-2013, 12:10 AM
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You mean Hall + Yakupov for Karlsson then we consider it but we might hesitate. lol
What's the point in debating the value of these players? Are we just trying to start a pissing match? Maybe that was the point in the creation of this thread. The players you're mentioning have nothing to do with the original proposal.

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06-21-2013, 01:51 AM
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Try a flat out No Way On Earth, unless Edm puts in a very substantial plus. Prior to his injury last season Karlsson was the best player in the league.
Haha wow. Have you heard of that Sidney Crosby guy? You should check him out, I hear he's pretty good.

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06-21-2013, 03:16 AM
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Likewise for Ottawa. We're not trading Zibby for a chance at picking a player possibly as good as him at #7.

ALso, its been fairly heavily documented that OTT-EDM make for the most ascerbic trade partners in the league. Honestly, can we not have any more proposals with these two teams?
Agreed. The Oilers shouldnt talk to OTT again while Murray and his big yap is still there. Its pathetic how many times info leakes from just one team. Edmonton should learn their lesson of how Murray leaks info and burns bridges.

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06-21-2013, 03:25 AM
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I don't agree with the proposal but.. how is he a bust? He's going to be an NHL player for a long time. Look at who was picked after him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_nhl_entry_draft

In hindsight people will say the Oilers should've drafted Kulikov but they made out pretty well considering who else was available.

MPS is going to take a while to develop but he's going to be a valuble piece. I agree he hasn't lived up to peoples over zealous expectations but he's tracking well compared to others in his draft class.
I am very happy with Magnus and he had alot of chemistry with Yaks. THe kid has come LIGHT years from the embarassing clown that threw his hands in the air and flailed every time he got a slash or high stick. He was an unexpected bright light this year.
I like Ottawa alot and Zibanejad. But i think i prefer to stick with players i know and are already in my system. Unless Magnus doesnt like the city or asks for a rediculous contract, i feel he stays. I like to think that the only reason he is involved in trade discussions from Oilers fans is because they see that he is a valuable player and hope that translates to market value. It just doesnt work that way...especially on HF.

In closing, the OIlers should NEVER even attempt deals with OTT, EVEN IF THEY ARE FARM TEAM MOVES, as the details somehow always get leaked and players get pi***** off. If you are in talks with them you might as well do a press conference to state who you have on the table in advance.

Final thought...stick with the guy you chose unless he is a flop, or you have too much of the same thing. Last time i checked Magnus was pretty big and we need size.

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06-21-2013, 04:25 AM
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So Zibanejad is crap compared to 80 % of the NHL, but you want him? Lol

Pass, big time.

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Try a flat out No Way On Earth, unless Edm puts in a very substantial plus. Prior to his injury last season Karlsson was the best player in the league.
Did not know he won the Hart and Lindsey interesting

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Magnus is a bust. No thanks.
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glad im not the only 1 who thinks so
Shocking 2 sens fans calling a Oiler player a bust , the irony he has played more games than Cowen who looks to be a bust of glass

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06-21-2013, 06:41 AM
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Did not know he won the Hart and Lindsey interesting
You did not bold the part where he said "prior to his injury."


Before he was injured, every sports commentator, even ones that hate Ottawa (Healey) were commenting how much Karlsson was dominating. At the time, that comment was not incorrect.

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06-21-2013, 07:38 AM
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no way

the difference between Paajarvi and Zibanejad isn't very big, infact, MPS' rookie season was better in my opinion. Hes better defensively, better skater, bigger, and has started using his size this season.


7th + Musil + Anaheim 2nd > Zibanejad

Paajarvi > 17th
I would not trade our 17th for MPS... but yeah I would give you that, 7th+Musil+2nd is a little too much for Zibby

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No way.

No interest in this trade.

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