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06-20-2013, 08:59 PM
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In your opinion, what is the value of Stefan Noesen and 17th?
I donno, probably some where like 8, 9, or 10. Still a lot of factors to include like, which players are left, which aren't, etc...

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06-20-2013, 09:04 PM
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A top-six forward. Murray would not move Noesen at the draft solely for a higher pick.
You are saying that, in your opinion, the value of Noesen and 17th is higher than first overall?

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06-20-2013, 09:14 PM
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You are saying that, in your opinion, the value of Noesen and 17th is higher than first overall?
Of course not. I'm talking about realistic trades. He won't pry any of the top four picks away, because they'd need total overpayment, the kind that would require Zibanejad/Silfverberg+. Carolina thinks about it but declines, IMO. And anything later than 6, Murray says thanks but no thanks.

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06-20-2013, 09:20 PM
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i'd rather use that package to get a proven top-6 forward. Noesen has proven to be too skilled in the aspects that teams need to win a cup to trade simply to move up a few spots. If we were able to grab one of the top 7, i'd think about it but I'm not about to flip two 1st round picks for a shot in the dark.

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06-20-2013, 09:22 PM
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You are saying that, in your opinion, the value of Noesen and 17th is higher than first overall?
he's obviously speaking about the pick in question (i believe 10th or 12th overall). nobody in their right mind thinks Noesen+17>1st overall. i get that its fun to rip people who say stupid things but don't willfully misinterpret just so you can do so.

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06-20-2013, 09:32 PM
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he's obviously speaking about the pick in question (i believe 10th or 12th overall). nobody in their right mind thinks Noesen+17>1st overall. i get that its fun to rip people who say stupid things but don't willfully misinterpret just so you can do so.
I didn't "rip", I asked a question to figure out what he meant by would not trade for a higher pick, and he replied. There were no facepalms etc.

The reason to figure out value is that Murray would like to move up at the draft, and Noesen is a prime example of what teams would ask for back. We see Murray and MacTavish talking, and we know the Oil have skill and would want a potential power forward. Could Noesen, 17th, and another player get 7th?

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06-20-2013, 09:46 PM
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Might be able to move up as high as #16 with that blockbuster package

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06-20-2013, 09:49 PM
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Might be able to move up as high as #16 with that blockbuster package
It's okay to admit you don't know the value of a player instead of throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.

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06-20-2013, 10:17 PM
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I'd do the 13th pick + Postma/3rd 2013 from a Jets perspective.

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06-20-2013, 10:31 PM
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I'd do the 13th pick + Postma/3rd 2013 from a Jets perspective.
I like 12 names and we pick 13th. If all my 12 guys are gone, I make it worth Sens while to package 17th and Noesen for our 13th.

Postma & a 3rd is more than fine by me if Ottawa has interest in Postma. If not I'd be very willing to be very flexible still.

It'd likely only happen if Sens really didn't want to lose a guy from the board who they really like and Chevy sees a few guys of whom likely 1 would still be left at 17.

What value would be needed from Jets in such a scenario: 17 + Noesen for 13 + ________ (currently Postma + 3rd as opening). Postma = rookie last year - tall RHD with really good offensive upside but likely bottom 6 guy, maybe #4 eventually.

Under such a scenario outlined above, I'd be very motivated to make a deal. If you don't like Postma, give us an idea of the value you'd be looking for to fill in the blank.

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06-20-2013, 10:53 PM
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Don't think Postma is of any interest to the Senators as of now, with Gryba looking like the player likely to get that bottom-pairing RHD spot. Personally I don't think Noesen is even available, the organization seems very high on him. Does anyone know who Murray might be looking to move up for? Have heard rumblings of Horvat, but I'm not so sure Horvat is that much better than Noesen, not enough to throw in our first anyways.

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06-20-2013, 11:15 PM
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Ya, I didn't think Postma had done enough to be a big piece mover. I'd still get really aggressive to do Noesen as part of a 1st picks switch, but to move that little Murray would have to really like one player left. The stars would really have to align and Jets would have to put something pretty sweet in that blank.

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06-21-2013, 12:14 AM
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I'd do the 13th pick + Postma/3rd 2013 from a Jets perspective.
Not close to fair value.

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06-21-2013, 12:34 AM
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Not close to fair value.
Well it is a value of thread. Care to give a value of your own?

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Well it is a value of thread. Care to give a value of your own?
the difference between 13 and 17 is not worth Noesen and Postma doesn't make up for that.

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The reason to figure out value is that Murray would like to move up at the draft, and Noesen is a prime example of what teams would ask for back. We see Murray and MacTavish talking, and we know the Oil have skill and would want a potential power forward. Could Noesen, 17th, and another player get 7th?
It is too early to gauge what kind of GM MacTavish is going to be. He could be a hold your feel to the flames type of guy or a lets gamble.


To get the 7th, my personal feelings are it would take Noesen, 17th + .

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06-21-2013, 01:15 AM
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the difference between 13 and 17 is not worth Noesen and Postma doesn't make up for that.
I'm still waiting for you to give a value of your own. In your eyes, what makes up the difference?

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06-21-2013, 01:18 AM
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MDZ I guess. Noesen and Miller were linemates in Plymouth I believe. the 17th can be used to pick Lazar.

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06-21-2013, 02:36 AM
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MDZ I guess. Noesen and Miller were linemates in Plymouth I believe. the 17th can be used to pick Lazar.
Probably close value wise. Last thing the Sens need is another LHD with Methot, Cowen, Wiercioch and Phillips on the team. Unless of course MDZ is Gonchar-esque in the fact that he plays his off-hand.

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06-21-2013, 07:58 AM
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IMO Noesen is likely worth the 10th-13th pick by himself. (Based on typical ranking of top draft picks against the current top prospects list and Noesens position on htat list)

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I'm still waiting for you to give a value of your own. In your eyes, what makes up the difference?
In 2008, Murray traded a 3rd and the 18th pick to move to the 15th pick.

so we're not far from the 17th to the 13th. Maybe add a 2nd (which we don,t have) or a 3rd and a 5th?

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06-21-2013, 10:18 AM
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Kinda the opposite of what the OP is going for (moving up in the draft) but how would you like a second pairing with a top-tier PPQB for Noeson + 17th?

Dan Boyle + Irwin + conditional 1st/2nd if you do not extend Boyle. 1st if we make playoffs (pick 15-30)/2nd (pick 31-44) if we don't.

Would also consider swapping Irwin for Havlat if you add a 2014 3rd.

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Sens drafted Noesen in 2011, develop him as the future Powerforward and now trade him with the 17th overall to move 6-8 spots? I don't think Murray does this or even include Noesens name.
Noesen is the type of player you want in the playoffs

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Noesen doesn't have much value. Depends what team the senators are willing to trade with.

If the senators want to move up to the 10th pick or higher, Noesen and there 17th pick in the first round this year, Most likely wont hold enough value to move above the 10th spot. BUT that only depends on what team they will trade with.
How do you know what Noesen's value is?

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It is too early to gauge what kind of GM MacTavish is going to be. He could be a hold your feel to the flames type of guy or a lets gamble.

To get the 7th, my personal feelings are it would take Noesen, 17th + .
Exactly, remove your personal feelings and please tell me what's Noesen's value now?

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