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06-21-2013, 12:40 AM
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Bobby Ryan to Toronto

What would it take to get Ryan to Toronto?

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The Ducks primary needs are a top 6 forward (either a LW or C) or a top pairing defenseman. I don't really see any legit targets on the Leafs. Unless you're willing to trade Kadri or JVR.

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Give us a call in a few years when you want us to buy out Perry and Getzlaf, kidding.

I rly like Ryan but theres no need for him in Toronto, unless if Phil Kessel leaves then we could use hot-shot Bobby.

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The Ducks primary needs are a top 6 forward (either a LW or C) or a top pairing defenseman. I don't really see any legit targets on the Leafs. Unless you're willing to trade Kadri or JVR.
both of whom are projected to be better than Ryan, and both who had better years this year. JVR is a heck no, and Kadri is a even larger heck no. Anaheim and Toronto are no longer good trading partners, unless Anaheim was willing to trade Getzlaf, in which case I'd offer JVR or Kadri, + more.

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Kadri or Gardiner+ # 2 centre and potential top paring D-Man are the Ducks biggest needs.

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both of whom are projected to be better than Ryan, and both who had better years this year. JVR is a heck no, and Kadri is a even larger heck no. Anaheim and Toronto are no longer good trading partners, unless Anaheim was willing to trade Getzlaf, in which case I'd offer JVR or Kadri, + more.
I'm not sure about the first sentence. It's very arguably who is projected to be better. Ryan has shown considerably more than JVR who is only 2 years younger and Kadri has only had one good season so far.

Anyway if Kadri or JVR aren't coming back then you have nobody of interest to Anaheim (excluding obvious untouchables like Phaneuf, Kessel & Lupul).

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Anyway if Kadri or JVR aren't coming back then you have nobody of interest to Anaheim (excluding obvious untouchables like Phaneuf, Kessel & Lupul).
Both teams are in a too good of a spot to relinquish any actual talent. But that being said, would ANA want Lupul back?

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No way the Leafs trade for Bobby Ryan unless it's a steal for us... We already have Kessel, JVR, and Lupul... 3 great wingers with a few good wingers that can fill in that last top 6 spot (Frattin, Kulemin, even FA signings)...

Leafs should be going for a #1C (or at least a good #2C) or a #2 Defenceman. Improving winger depth should be last on the agenda.

Edit: I love Ryan and think he's a great player... Leafs and Ducks just aren't good trading partners as they both seem to need a top 6 C and 1st line Defender...

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Both teams are in a too good of a spot to relinquish any actual talent. But that being said, would ANA want Lupul back?
Not sure. He's turned into one hell of a player since being traded but I think the bridges have probably been burnt there. It's one thing trading a player once but to trade him again after just recovering from a serious injury has probably eliminated any chance of a good working relationship between Ducks management and Lupul.

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Core of a deal ---Ryan for Grabo.

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Great player but not interested due to price and strength at wings.

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Core of a deal ---Ryan for Grabo.
After signing Perry and Getz to those contracts? Heck no, that would never happen. The only reason Ana might trade Ryan is to move salary and not have 22mil tied up in 3 players.

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No way the Leafs trade for Bobby Ryan unless it's a steal for us... We already have Kessel, JVR, and Lupul... 3 great wingers with a few good wingers that can fill in that last top 6 spot (Frattin, Kulemin, even FA signings)...

Leafs should be going for a #1C (or at least a good #2C) or a #2 Defenceman. Improving winger depth should be last on the agenda.

Edit: I love Ryan and think he's a great player... Leafs and Ducks just aren't good trading partners as they both seem to need a top 6 C and 1st line Defender...
JVR is not a great winger. Ryan would be an instant upgrade over him.

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JVR is not a great winger. Ryan would be an instant upgrade over him.
I guess last season doesn't count

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I guess last season doesn't count
So you think Ryan and JVR are on equal footing even though they put up basically similar point totals in a shortened season? JVR is not a great winger.

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He's from around Philly so he'll probably go there soon

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So you think Ryan and JVR are on equal footing even though they put up basically similar point totals in a shortened season? JVR is not a great winger.
JVR is 2 years younger, and a developing power forward. He has a good amount of talent, and is exactly what the Leafs need. To us, he is our great solution to a top 3 void for wingers in the future. Also, didn't he just get 7 points in 7 games against the Bruins?

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He's from around Philly so he'll probably go there soon
How often does that reasoning work with free agents? And my definition of "soon" usually doesn't mean a time span of two years, which is the earliest he can choose to go anywhere.


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both of whom are projected to be better than Ryan (...)
Based on what? I have never seen such projections. If one has the opinion that they are going to end up doing better / being more important / whatever, that's one thing, but there's no objective projections that say they are going to be better than Ryan can be. The last thing Ryan lacks is upside. Sure, he's older, but even while being in absolute elite company for players scoring 30+ goals every full season he spent in the NHL, his numbers aren't a finished product, given lack of quality PP1 time, for example.

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I wouldn't mind Bobby Ryan, though. A PWF who may be able to pot +30 goals against top lines would help us establish a competent shut down line. He would have to enhance his two-way game, but his puck poise and vision shows potential.

I'd even consider moving Kadri for him, IMO. We could have JVR/ Lupul on his wing and a strong two-way centre in the middle.

JVR/ Lupul - X - Ryan ( Shut down line)

We don't really need a top line centre, but a PWF centre.

JVR/ Lupul - PWF - Kessel ( Top scoring line)


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both of whom are projected to be better than Ryan, and both who had better years this year. JVR is a heck no, and Kadri is a even larger heck no. Anaheim and Toronto are no longer good trading partners, unless Anaheim was willing to trade Getzlaf, in which case I'd offer JVR or Kadri, + more.
Wow. Please show me all the 30+ goal seasons JVR has had...

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I don't think we make great trading partners when it comes to a deal ceterting Bobby Ryan. Apart from that, not sure why you'd want Ryan to play for Caryle again, they didn't get along IIRC.

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both of whom are projected to be better than Ryan, and both who had better years this year. JVR is a heck no, and Kadri is a even larger heck no. Anaheim and Toronto are no longer good trading partners, unless Anaheim was willing to trade Getzlaf, in which case I'd offer JVR or Kadri, + more.
I'm not a fan of either team. But you are delusional.

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How often does that reasoning work with free agents? And my definition of "soon" usually doesn't mean a time span of two years, which is the earliest he can choose to go anywhere.
In the case of Ryan, it's not a far fetched idea. It also does happen. Parise did with Minnesota if we're talking recently.

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Not sure. He's turned into one hell of a player since being traded but I think the bridges have probably been burnt there. It's one thing trading a player once but to trade him again after just recovering from a serious injury has probably eliminated any chance of a good working relationship between Ducks management and Lupul.

Honestly I do not know enough info on the ducks to speculate so I am going to ask you, you seem to know the ducks well. For some reason I think I remember that carlyle and ryan did not get along, is this correct?? And I would give up JVR for Ryan. how many years does ryan have left on his current deal?

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Honestly I do not know enough info on the ducks to speculate so I am going to ask you, you seem to know the ducks well. For some reason I think I remember that carlyle and ryan did not get along, is this correct?? And I would give up JVR for Ryan. how many years does ryan have left on his current deal?
Correct. But lupul and Carlyle also did not get along, so relationsjips can be repaired. Ryan played his best hockey under RC.

Ive felt for a few years that JVR is about as perfect of a fit with Getz and Perry a there is. I wanted JVR included in an offer from Philly when Ryan was first shopped. Seems like Toronto fans value him much higher than Ducks fans do though, itd have to be JVR+ for us

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