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06-21-2013, 01:14 PM
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They will but it probably won't be for Morrissey. Samuel Morin says hello.
That would make my day. This kid was born to play for the Black and Orange. But who knows? This draft is 2 or 3 rounds deep. The Flyers should get 3 really decent prospects and their 1st pick should be really sweet. Hell I am jacked trying to figure who will be there when they pick in the 2nd round. Hurry up the 30th.

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That would make my day. This kid was born to play for the Black and Orange. But who knows? This draft is 2 or 3 rounds deep. The Flyers should get 3 really decent prospects and their 1st pick should be really sweet. Hell I am jacked trying to figure who will be there when they pick in the 2nd round. Hurry up the 30th.
Not to bust your bubble but Homer loves giving away draft picks, especially 2nd round picks.

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06-21-2013, 02:19 PM
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I know we need defense, and it would not fill a need at all, but imagine the flyers drafted max domi.... domi, laughton, and cousins.... oh man

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They will but it probably won't be for Morrissey. Samuel Morin says hello.
Yep, and that scares me. I know Morin has a lot of the physical tools and has an excellent hockey IQ, but damn, that 5 to 6 year window before he makes an impact is something else. At a minimum, you're looking at a guy who will fulfill his junior eligibility and then at least 2 seasons in the AHL before he's called up to play in the NHL on a regular basis. If that's the case, I'd rather the Flyers draft Nikita Zadorov. The big Russian kid is only an inch shorter than Morin, but he's about 25 pounds heavier and is just as mean.

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06-21-2013, 02:45 PM
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Yep, and that scares me. I know Morin has a lot of the physical tools and has an excellent hockey IQ, but damn, that 5 to 6 year window before he makes an impact is something else. At a minimum, you're looking at a guy who will fulfill his junior eligibility and then at least 2 seasons in the AHL before he's called up to play in the NHL on a regular basis. If that's the case, I'd rather the Flyers draft Nikita Zadorov. The big Russian kid is only an inch shorter than Morin, but he's about 25 pounds heavier and is just as mean.
I think, without any insider knowledge but just a hunch, that the Flyers really want to move up to draft one of the big forwards. But if they stay at 11, I think they will take a defenseman with size. IMO they probably think they already have a Morrissey type defender in the system in Gostibehere.

Edit: I don't think they are the same type of defender but I could see the Flyers thinking that they are the same.

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06-21-2013, 03:23 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I believe the Flyers would have players like Ristolainen and Zadorov higher on their lists than Morrissey and Morin. This franchise is (mostly) about immediate and short-term returns and, with a rare top-15 pick, I'm thinking that waiting the 3-5 years for the latter to develop and be ready to crack a roster will be a significant decision-influencer.

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06-21-2013, 03:54 PM
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Yep, and that scares me. I know Morin has a lot of the physical tools and has an excellent hockey IQ, but damn, that 5 to 6 year window before he makes an impact is something else. At a minimum, you're looking at a guy who will fulfill his junior eligibility and then at least 2 seasons in the AHL before he's called up to play in the NHL on a regular basis. If that's the case, I'd rather the Flyers draft Nikita Zadorov. The big Russian kid is only an inch shorter than Morin, but he's about 25 pounds heavier and is just as mean.
Where are you getting this five to six years stuff?

How do you know how long he'll take? I'm not saying he'll be ready in one or two years, but jeez, a lot can happen in 3-4 years time. Who are you to say a minimum of five years?

I know Morin is a bit of a project, but you can't say he's five to six years away just because he's big and raw. That's a massive window of time where a whole lot of things can happen.

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The more I think about it, the more I believe the Flyers would have players like Ristolainen and Zadorov higher on their lists than Morrissey and Morin. This franchise is (mostly) about immediate and short-term returns and, with a rare top-15 pick, I'm thinking that waiting the 3-5 years for the latter to develop and be ready to crack a roster will be a significant decision-influencer.
To me, Ristolainen is the best of all worlds. Size, skill, close to ready, plays in a men's league, enough offensive upside. Zadorov isn't all that close unless you are willing to forgo any offensive development. Zad probably needs 3 years to play in the NHL. Ristolainen could potentially play there next year or the year after.

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06-21-2013, 04:08 PM
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To me, Ristolainen is the best of all worlds. Size, skill, close to ready, plays in a men's league, enough offensive upside. Zadorov isn't all that close unless you are willing to forgo any offensive development. Zad probably needs 3 years to play in the NHL. Ristolainen could potentially play there next year or the year after.
Agreed. Not to mention what Ristolainen is doing is rare. I believe he is the 2nd youngest player to ever play in the SM-Liiga. He is a special talent. I think he would get much more love if he was dominating against boys in the CHL instead of playing against men in Finland.

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06-21-2013, 04:28 PM
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1. Colorado: Nathan Mackinnon
2.Florida: Seth Jones
3. Tampa Bay: Jonathan Drouin
4. Nashville: Valery Nichushkin
5. Carolina: Alexsander Barkov
6. Flames: Sean Monahan
7. Edmonton: Darnell Nurse
8. Sabres: Rasmus Ristolainen
9. Devils: Hunter Shinkaruk
10. Dallas: Ryan Pulock
11. Flyers: Nikita Zadorov
12. Phoenix: Elias Lindholm
13. Winnipeg: Max Domi
14. Columbus: Bo Horvat
15. NY Islanders: Adam Erne
16. Sabres: Ryan Hartman
17. Detroit: Josh Morrissey
18. Ottawa: Fredrik Gauthier
19. Columbus: Kerby Rychel
20. Sharks: Curtis Lazar
21. Toronto: Anthony Mantha
22. Flames: Zack Fucale (G)
23. Washington: Valentin Zykov
24. Vancouver: Morgan Klimchuk
25. Montreal: Alexander Wennberg
26. Ducks: Ian McCoshen
27. Columbus: Robert Hägg
28. Flames: Samuel Morin
29. Dallas: Steve Santini
30. Chicago: Shea Theodore
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MY Mock Draft

I put the Flyers pick in bold, i think this could be a great pick for the Flyers.

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06-21-2013, 04:41 PM
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1. Colorado: Nathan Mackinnon
2.Florida: Seth Jones
3. Tampa Bay: Jonathan Drouin
4. Nashville: Valery Nichushkin
5. Carolina: Alexsander Barkov
6. Flames: Sean Monahan
7. Edmonton: Darnell Nurse
8. Sabres: Rasmus Ristolainen
9. Devils: Hunter Shinkaruk
10. Dallas: Ryan Pulock
11. Flyers: Nikita Zadorov
12. Phoenix: Elias Lindholm
13. Winnipeg: Max Domi
14. Columbus: Bo Horvat
15. NY Islanders: Adam Erne
16. Sabres: Ryan Hartman
17. Detroit: Josh Morrissey
18. Ottawa: Fredrik Gauthier
19. Columbus: Kerby Rychel
20. Sharks: Curtis Lazar
21. Toronto: Anthony Mantha
22. Flames: Zack Fucale (G)
23. Washington: Valentin Zykov
24. Vancouver: Morgan Klimchuk
25. Montreal: Alexander Wennberg
26. Ducks: Ian McCoshen
27. Columbus: Robert Hägg
28. Flames: Samuel Morin
29. Dallas: Steve Santini
30. Chicago: Shea Theodore
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MY Mock Draft

I put the Flyers pick in bold, i think this could be a great pick for the Flyers.
if lindholm is still there and we pick zadorov, they should move the team to kansas city.

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if lindholm is still there and we pick zadorov, they should move the team to kansas city.
Lindholm is probably the forward I want outside of MacK and Drouin. Seriously, never pass up someone like Lindholm. He played in a man's league and did very well too.

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if lindholm is still there and we pick zadorov, they should move the team to kansas city.
The Flyers need big, strong, good defensemen. They don't need Lindholm.

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The Flyers need big, strong, good defensemen. They don't need Lindholm.
Okay, if MacK or Drouin or Barkov fell to the Flyers, you'd tell them to just say **** them and go for Zadorov? Yeah, no dice buddy...

Plus, we have a lot of strength in our d-men currently. Coburn, Grossmann, Mez, Dane and so on. Even if some aren't strong, we have D-men who can play positionally well enough to make up for the lack of physicality.

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The Flyers need big, strong, good defensemen. They don't need Lindholm.
Take the most valuable asset, then make a trade if needed. Immediate needs are not really relevant when you draft.

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Okay, if MacK or Drouin or Barkov fell to the Flyers, you'd tell them to just say **** them and go for Zadorov? Yeah, no dice buddy...

Plus, we have a lot of strength in our d-men currently. Coburn, Grossmann, Mez, Dane and so on. Even if some aren't strong, we have D-men who can play positionally well enough to make up for the lack of physicality.
Okay have some common sense buddy, Obviously they wont fall to the 11th spot.

The best choices for the flyers are Zadorov, Ristolainen, Pulock, Lindholm, Domi

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Okay have some common sense buddy, Obviously they wont fall to the 11th spot.

The best choices for the flyers are Zadorov, Ristolainen, Pulock, Lindholm, Domi
And I'd take Lindholm before the others and after him would be Rist. Rist is big, shoots right, has a defined offensive and defensive game and definitely has a snarl to him.

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Take the most valuable asset, then make a trade if needed. Immediate needs are not really relevant when you draft.
Well i agree, and then disagree.

-If a team is stacked of good potential defensemen, they will most likely go with a forward.

-If they have a ton of highly talented forward prospects, they will most likely go with a Defensemen.

-If the team needs both.. Well then yes they will have to go with the best forward or best defensemen left.

-NHL GM's and there scouts don't just pick automatically like in the video game, they look at what they need and if that player can fit well in there organization.

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And I'd take Lindholm before the others and after him would be Rist. Rist is big, shoots right, has a defined offensive and defensive game and definitely has a snarl to him.
Wait are you saying you would take Lindholm over Mackinnon, and Drouin and Jones??

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No, I'm going by the list of 5 players you put at the end of your last post. If those 3 ever dropped to use, Jones would be the one we go for. Then MacK and then Droiun. But after them, I probably like Lindholm the most.

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No, I'm going by the list of 5 players you put at the end of your last post. If those 3 ever dropped to use, Jones would be the one we go for. Then MacK and then Droiun. But after them, I probably like Lindholm the most.
What are you talking about..?? Stop saying 'IF Mackinnon and Jones drop' THEY wont!! there going top 3

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And you guys are saying Lindholm played in the Sweden Pro. Well i believe Artturi Lehkonen played Finland Pro as well and put up 30 points in 45 games.

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Who I'd take in order (if I was a team that had no needs):

1. MacKinnon
2. Jones
3. Drouin
4. Monahan
5. Nichushkin
6. Barkov
7. Lindholm
8. Nurse
9. Shinkaruk
10. Ristolainen
11. Horvat
12. Domi
13. Morrissey
14. Pulock
15. Gauthier
16. Zadorov
17. Theodore
18. Rychel
19. Mantha
20. Erne

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The Flyers need big, strong, good defensemen. They don't need Lindholm.
BPA. If Lindholm is there they should take him. If they really dislike him try to make a trade with someone who wants him.

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BPA. If Lindholm is there they should take him. If they really dislike him try to make a trade with someone who wants him.
This just makes sense, and I know next to nothing about all of the prospects.

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