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Jonathan Bernier Race Down to 3 Teams (TOR, PHI, MIN)

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06-21-2013, 03:34 PM
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Wow Fletch please don't offer some of the deals I've seen in this thread

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Can't believe the Isles would drop out of this unless the asking price is stupid high.
Might not be the asking price but what was offered by others. It is a case where Leiweke knows better than any other exec in hockey how good Bernier is. And might be pushing the buttons behind the scenes to up the offer.

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06-21-2013, 03:37 PM
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Though I have my doubts, I really hope Dean pulls of the 1st + good prospect he's been talking about.

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I want Bernier on Toronto because he was ready and willing to drop the Mits with Crawford.

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Though I have my doubts, I really hope Dean pulls of the 1st + good prospect he's been talking about.
If that's the cost I want nothing to do with Bernier

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06-21-2013, 03:40 PM
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I see Minnesota with the best fit.

Philadelphia will only go for him if Bryzgalov is bought out and it doesn't appear that he will be. Toronto are fine in net if you ask me, it's not a main need that they need to go for. Minnesota will be letting Backstrom go and Bernier can fill that void.

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06-21-2013, 03:43 PM
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Might not be the asking price but what was offered by others. It is a case where Leiweke knows better than any other exec in hockey how good Bernier is. And might be pushing the buttons behind the scenes to up the offer.
Same thing really.

" Well the Leafs offered us XXXXX, can you top it?"

If the price ends up being a 1st and a toss in project prospect (Kabanov as an example) I'm gonna be pissed.

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Might not be the asking price but what was offered by others. It is a case where Leiweke knows better than any other exec in hockey how good Bernier is. And might be pushing the buttons behind the scenes to up the offer.
Leiweke may also have a better idea of what LA is looking for or what may appeal to them.

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06-21-2013, 03:44 PM
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Though I have my doubts, I really hope Dean pulls of the 1st + good prospect he's been talking about.
Just as well off getting talent that is NHL ready or already playing there.

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If that's the cost I want nothing to do with Bernier
Yep. If he costs our 1st (next year, since we don't have one this year) and one of our top prospects, the Wild needs to withdraw immediately. We'll manage without Bernier, thank you very much.

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Don't watch Bernier. Go steal someone else's prospects.

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The 1st and a "good" young player/prospect? Holy moley.

I'd like having Bernier but at that price I think Nonis would be better off waiting until free agency and gunning for a veteran backup for Reimer.
I don't know what Nonis is thinking but I'm going to try to comprehend the reasoning as to why they may want to pursue Bernier. Although Bernier hasn't exactly proven himself as a starter, it is difficult to say with certainty that Reimer has as well. The reason I say this is because he hasn't really had a full season yet as a starter.

Reimer's career high was 37 games in 2010-11. He appeared in 34 games last season where he was largely disappointing, and 33 games in this shortened season where he appeared to bounce back (though was still letting in some questionable goals here and there).

Of course, Bernier has been tested less, but he's slightly younger and in his limited starts, has looked very sharp in net. He's not the type of goaltender who flounders in his crease as we've seen with Reimer. Bernier always seems to be in control and never looks flustered, frustrated, or out of focus. He's a competitor and I think playing behind Quick helped him develop this part of the game.

Although it was a while back, but the last time Bernier got to play regularly as a starter was in the AHL and he put up some stellar numbers there and was one of the best netminders in the minors at that time, and at that time he was 20-21 years of age. There is a lot to like about Bernier and his potential to succeed in the NHL. I think that is what makes him so attractive to teams that are seeking a netminder to build around with the present and future in mind.

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I don't understand why the Leafs would go after Bernier. JB wants to be a starter. If he goes from the Kings to the Leafs he will be in the same position as he was when it was between him and Quick before the Cup season.

Trade him to the Isles. He is the starter. Everyone goes away happy. 1st and Kabanov. Done

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My theory is the Islanders are out of the running because the Kings want a defenseman back as the centerpiece of the deal and the Isles are in no position to move the kind of defenseman who would get Bernier back.

Flyers, Leafs, and Wild seem like three teams who could part with a young, valuable defenseman to get Bernier. Plenty of names to toss around among the three of them, and I could see LA wanting immediate blueline help as opposed to a pick or forward prospect.

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Though I have my doubts, I really hope Dean pulls of the 1st + good prospect he's been talking about.
I doubt any team is willing to drop out of the 1st round in this draft. Maybe a 2014 1st, but even then I'm not convinced. The goalie market lately hasn't shown precedence for a 1st.

The best recent comparable that I can think of is Ben Bishop.

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06-21-2013, 03:54 PM
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Might not be the asking price but what was offered by others. It is a case where Leiweke knows better than any other exec in hockey how good Bernier is. And might be pushing the buttons behind the scenes to up the offer.
I hate when people from up in the corporation come in and push for something. It's what killed the leafs in the past

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My theory is the Islanders are out of the running because the Kings want a defenseman back as the centerpiece of the deal and the Isles are in no position to move the kind of defenseman who would get Bernier back.

Flyers, Leafs, and Wild seem like three teams who could part with a young, valuable defenseman to get Bernier. Plenty of names to toss around among the three of them, and I could see LA wanting immediate blueline help as opposed to a pick or forward prospect.
You obviously know nothing about the flyers if you think they could easily afford to give up a young, valuable defenseman (if we even had one, for that matter).

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I doubt any team is willing to drop out of the 1st round in this draft. Maybe a 2014 1st, but even then I'm not convinced. The goalie market lately hasn't shown precedence for a 1st.

The best recent comparable that I can think of is Ben Bishop.
Which is why I said I have my doubts.

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Just as well off getting talent that is NHL ready or already playing there.
word is dean has been trying to get back into the 1st round of this draft.

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Wat.
My theory is that Snow would not make a lopsided deal. That being said, I pay no heed to some Tweet until JB is actually traded.

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You obviously know nothing about the flyers if you think they could easily afford to give up a young, valuable defenseman (if we even had one, for that matter).
Apparently he thought the Streit signing created a surplus. All you need is Gervais and Streit and you are all set.

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My theory is the Islanders are out of the running because the Kings want a defenseman back as the centerpiece of the deal and the Isles are in no position to move the kind of defenseman who would get Bernier back.

Flyers, Leafs, and Wild seem like three teams who could part with a young, valuable defenseman to get Bernier. Plenty of names to toss around among the three of them, and I could see LA wanting immediate blueline help as opposed to a pick or forward prospect.
Sorry but your theory is wrong. Despite uncertainty with Willie Mitchell/Rob Scuderi situations, we actually have too many D. We don't need D. We also have an incredible defensive defenseman prospect named Kevin Gravel, who no one talks about but I expect to do big things with this team. We also have Forbort and Deslauriers in the wings, as well as some other decent prospects. Really the only area we lack is at the left wing position.

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I don't understand why the Leafs would go after Bernier. JB wants to be a starter. If he goes from the Kings to the Leafs he will be in the same position as he was when it was between him and Quick before the Cup season.

Trade him to the Isles. He is the starter. Everyone goes away happy. 1st and Kabanov. Done
It's because the Leafs don't have an established starter. Bernier is ready to compete for a starting role but he's not going to be given it at this stage.

In my opinion Bernier needs to go to a place to be in a 1a/1b kind of situation. Toronto is a good fit.

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My theory is that Snow would not make a lopsided deal. That being said, I pay no heed to some Tweet until JB is actually traded.
My "wat" was directed at the guy who thinks the Wild can afford to give up a young valuable defenseman for a goalie.

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My theory is that Snow would not make a lopsided deal. That being said, I pay no heed to some Tweet until JB is actually traded.
Because Snow knows he doesn't have to overpay and can just move onto other options.

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My theory is the Islanders are out of the running because the Kings want a defenseman back as the centerpiece of the deal
The Kings have defensemen coming out of their ears. They don't need another.

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