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Kris Letang for Dougie Hamilton + 3rd

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06-21-2013, 06:13 PM
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That makes zero sense. Just because he's not a need doesn't mean he's worth less.

I don't need another house, so I guess I could get it for well under market value??????

Pens don't need another center, so maybe trade sutter and. 3rd for kesler?
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If you were willing to part with the package for iginla for only two months why woul you offer less for letang? If its because of less money then couldn't pens hold onto letang till deadline?
Because dougie is way way way more valuable to the Bs than Bart and Koko are. We build from the back end out, starting with a good goalie. Ever heard of that? Oh wait you're a Pens fan, obviously not then.

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06-21-2013, 06:44 PM
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Letang + Beau Bennet
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Hamilton + Peverley + 1st,

Sounds good?

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06-21-2013, 06:48 PM
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Letang + Beau Bennet
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06-21-2013, 06:52 PM
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imagine chara with letang lol. insane.

either way, i don't see either team doing it.

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06-21-2013, 06:55 PM
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If you were willing to part with the package for iginla for only two months why woul you offer less for letang? If its because of less money then couldn't pens hold onto letang till deadline?
Cause Letang is worth less to bost now than iggy was at this past trade deadline

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imagine chara with letang lol. insane.

either way, i don't see either team doing it.
The Penguins wouldn't even consider it because its horrible horrible value.

Boston probably wouldn't do it because they couldn't afford to keep Letang. Without cap worries, they would do it in a heart beat followed by a quick "no takesies backsies"

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06-21-2013, 07:00 PM
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Letang plays a completely different style to Kaberle.
Yeah, Kaberle was actually a PP weapon at one point.

Any team that gives up what the pens want for Letang and then signs him to 7 mil a year would regret it pretty quickly. Goligoski looked like a world beater with the Pens too, Dallas still getting burned on that. Niskanen looking like a passable top 4 after playing like a #7 with Dallas as well.

No system in the league makes PMDs look better except maybe Chicago, which is why I suspect Shero drafts half the PMDs in each draft.

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06-21-2013, 07:27 PM
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Yeah, Kaberle was actually a PP weapon at one point.

Any team that gives up what the pens want for Letang and then signs him to 7 mil a year would regret it pretty quickly. Goligoski looked like a world beater with the Pens too, Dallas still getting burned on that. Niskanen looking like a passable top 4 after playing like a #7 with Dallas as well.

No system in the league makes PMDs look better except maybe Chicago, which is why I suspect Shero drafts half the PMDs in each draft.
Niskanen really looked bad this year. We pretty much unanimously want him gone. He looked like below average 3rd pairing guy this year. Certainly not a passable top 4 guy. Find Letang's worse plays these playoffs. I suspect the most common thread is that he was paired with Niskanen for them.

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The Penguins wouldn't even consider it because its horrible horrible value.

Boston probably wouldn't do it because they couldn't afford to keep Letang. Without cap worries, they would do it in a heart beat followed by a quick "no takesies backsies"

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06-21-2013, 07:48 PM
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Niskanen really looked bad this year. We pretty much unanimously want him gone. He looked like below average 3rd pairing guy this year. Certainly not a passable top 4 guy. Find Letang's worse plays these playoffs. I suspect the most common thread is that he was paired with Niskanen for them.
Why the hell was he playing on his off side with another OFD who errs on the side of getting in the play?

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06-21-2013, 07:51 PM
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I donīt even have words for this awful proposal. Pittsburgh is fleeced here like crazy. One of the worst ever. Just close this thread, Bruins fans have seen Letang playing bad in 4 games and suddenly they think heīs a scrub, we certainly donīt need more discussions between BOS and PIT fanbases. I will repeat it again, this is a laughable value for Letang. Heīs the most underrated player on this forums.

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06-21-2013, 08:38 PM
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Bruins pass easily on this one. For cap reasons alone they can't and wouldn't do it.

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06-21-2013, 08:39 PM
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Boston couldn't afford to resign Letang so it's essentially Dougie for 1 year of Letang. No thanks from a Boston perspective. Bad train partners as both are way to close to the cap.

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I donīt even have words for this awful proposal. Pittsburgh is fleeced here like crazy. One of the worst ever. Just close this thread, Bruins fans have seen Letang playing bad in 4 games and suddenly they think heīs a scrub, we certainly donīt need more discussions between BOS and PIT fanbases. I will repeat it again, this is a laughable value for Letang. Heīs the most underrated player on this forums.
He has one year left on his deal and is rumoured to be looking for 7ish per. It's not laughable at all. Is Letang also underrated by all the pens fans who seem to want him gone as well.

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Horrible deal for the Bruins.

We don't need another $6M+ dollar winger.

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06-21-2013, 09:58 PM
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I donīt even have words for this awful proposal. Pittsburgh is fleeced here like crazy. One of the worst ever. Just close this thread, Bruins fans have seen Letang playing bad in 4 games and suddenly they think heīs a scrub, we certainly donīt need more discussions between BOS and PIT fanbases. I will repeat it again, this is a laughable value for Letang. Heīs the most underrated player on this forums.
I think you meant to write overrated.

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06-21-2013, 10:30 PM
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Astronomically stupid for Pittsburgh and pointless for Boston. Even if Letang sucks defensively, Pittsburgh still has plenty of high-end defensive prospects.
This, there is no incentive for either team to move either guy right now.

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Chara declining/retiring in the near future will change that, so looking to acquire and lock up a young top pairing defenseman wouldn't be a bad idea. Not sure Letang is the guy, but it's not like the Bruins are loaded with defensemen who can put up 60 points a season.
Chara is 35 and still has a couple of good years left and his points high is 52 points, the Bruins don't need a 60 point Dman to win a SC. By the time Chara retires Hamilton will be ready to take over his role on the team IMO.

A larger concern for the Bruins is their big # Dmen being 53, 31 and 33 this year.

Boychuk is 29 and the youngsters like Hamilton and Krug will need help soon as the core ages.

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^ This is the latest myth being spread about Letang. To be clear, the only aspects of Letang's game that are "elite" are his 5 on 5 point production and his skating. His largest area of struggle is not in his own end, but rather on the PP. On the PP, the extra time/space often lulls Letang into complicating would-be simple plays and making bone headed plays. In his own end, Letang is "good." He's not great, and he's certainly not bad. He has a very active stick, he is surprisingly physical for his size. His positioning is mediocre, but his skating ability often allows him to stay in plays when his default positioning isn't perfect. This notion that Letang "sucks" at defense is purely a myth.
Pretty much this, thought he was more deserving than Subban for the Norris this year as well, although Suter was the clear frontrunner IMO.


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Letang has a bad series and is suddenly AHL-Caliber defensively?

No one said he was elite, but he's not bad. He's got the physical tools, just tends to have mental lapses. It's not like he doesn't have the hitting ability to play defensive or the stick-checking ability. He's good enough defensively to stand his own. Not sure where this myth about him being below-average at-best came from.

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I donīt even have words for this awful proposal. Pittsburgh is fleeced here like crazy. One of the worst ever. Just close this thread, Bruins fans have seen Letang playing bad in 4 games and suddenly they think heīs a scrub, we certainly donīt need more discussions between BOS and PIT fanbases. I will repeat it again, this is a laughable value for Letang. Heīs the most underrated player on this forums.
No one has called Letang a scrub. At all, unless you are talking about Penguins fans mocking Bruins fans opinion of him. And if someone did, do you really take their opinion seriously?

He's a soon to be UFA that's going to command big bucks. Big bucks that the Bruins cannot and will not invest long term on him. Big bucks that the Penguins don't seem too fond of shelling out for him either, if he's truly on the block. The Bruins are not going to trade cost controlled, high potential players for one year of Letang.

Trade doesn't make sense for either team. Penguins want the return from a team that has intentions of retaining Letang long term. The Bruins would not be one of those teams.

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I donīt even have words for this awful proposal. Pittsburgh is fleeced here like crazy. One of the worst ever. Just close this thread, Bruins fans have seen Letang playing bad in 4 games and suddenly they think heīs a scrub, we certainly donīt need more discussions between BOS and PIT fanbases. I will repeat it again, this is a laughable value for Letang. Heīs the most underrated player on this forums.
Great post. It's real late and I needed a good laugh. Thank you.

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Yeah, Kaberle was actually a PP weapon at one point.

Any team that gives up what the pens want for Letang and then signs him to 7 mil a year would regret it pretty quickly. Goligoski looked like a world beater with the Pens too, Dallas still getting burned on that. Niskanen looking like a passable top 4 after playing like a #7 with Dallas as well.

No system in the league makes PMDs look better except maybe Chicago, which is why I suspect Shero drafts half the PMDs in each draft.
Goligoski never looked like a world beater with the Pens. Letang's a much better player than Goligoski will ever be. Niskanen turned it around with the Pens but you seem to forget he had a good start to his career in Dallas, if Niskanen gets moved on then he's perfectly capable of being a number 4/5 on a team. The problem he had in Dallas was he was asked to do too much too young.

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I donīt even have words for this awful proposal. Pittsburgh is fleeced here like crazy. One of the worst ever. Just close this thread, Bruins fans have seen Letang playing bad in 4 games and suddenly they think heīs a scrub, we certainly donīt need more discussions between BOS and PIT fanbases. I will repeat it again, this is a laughable value for Letang. Heīs the most underrated player on this forums.
The problem here isn't value, it's need. Bruins don't need Letang, they're in the finals with out Letang. However, Bruins need cap space going forward and I'd rather see Penguins struggle with signing Letang.

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If Letang was signed at 6 years 6m per, I would say hell yeah if I were a Bruins fan.

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If Letang was signed at 6 years 6m per, I would say hell yeah if I were a Bruins fan.
if he was signed to that deal why would the Pens trade him?

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I donīt even have words for this awful proposal. Pittsburgh is fleeced here like crazy. One of the worst ever. Just close this thread, Bruins fans have seen Letang playing bad in 4 games and suddenly they think heīs a scrub, we certainly donīt need more discussions between BOS and PIT fanbases. I will repeat it again, this is a laughable value for Letang. Heīs the most underrated player on this forums.
You don't seem to get it. Most of us have seen a lot more than 4 games of Letang. The Penguins seem like they are on national television more than any other team and I live in Pittsburgh, I go to Penguins games, I watch Letang all the time.

Letang makes mistakes all the time, they are just magnified in the playoffs. He is what he is, a very good player who is great at moving the puck and makes big mistakes defensively with regularity. He doesn't suck, not one person thinks he is a scrub, he does not fit in Boston's system and they can't fit what his cap hit will be after next year without sacrificing somewhere else. Besides all that Dougie Hamilton already looks like a 40-50 point defenseman with defensive deficiencies and he is still learning. He stands a chance to be every bit as good as Letang in a few years and the Bruins can wait.

I will go over it again

1. His cap hit will be too high after next season, it could be $8 million

2.He doesn't fit in the Bruins system, Hamilton is sitting in the playoffs because of his defensive game, he already is an NHL caliber puck moving D but that is not what the Bruins system calls for. Every player has to be defensively responsible.

3. His cap hit will be too high

4. and finally his cap hit will be too high.

The Bruins wouldn't trade for him for the same reason Pittsburgh may consider trading him, his cap hit will be too high after next season and he is not worth spending $8 million on.

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