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10-16-2006, 06:28 PM
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Were you watching the Ottawa game? He seems to be alot faster than last year. I think he can, does, and will continue to burn defensemen this year.
Hum yeah sure he can maybe I was too conservative on this one.

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10-16-2006, 06:37 PM
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Ryder's in a contract year.
That makes zero sense.

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10-16-2006, 06:45 PM
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Ryder has been playing both ends of the ice, something your going to have to do when your whole management team were defensive hockey players in the NHL.

So far he has been great.

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10-16-2006, 06:55 PM
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That makes zero sense.
For once, I agree with BigTimer. He was given a good raise and he looks like he wants to live up to his status as a first rate RW.

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10-16-2006, 07:13 PM
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and BTW, eating crow is when you make a ridiculous statement, and end up completely wrong.........Ryder wasn't playing like this when I (others) made the "1 dimentional" statements.........
If you would have followed his 1st season in the NHL and if you knew about his injury last year than yes, it was a ridiculous statement to make.
If you weren't aware of these two things than you were just ignorant.

If you were informed of theses things and ignored them than you were setting yourself up to be ridiculed.

So to everyone who "forgot" Ryder's 1st year and claimed he sucked while he gave everything he had to help this team who badly needed his top scorer, than you can eat more than just crow.

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10-16-2006, 07:14 PM
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Ryder's in a contract year.
He was in a contract year last year to...

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10-16-2006, 07:16 PM
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That makes zero sense.
It only makes zero sense if you're extrapolating more than I intended to say with that sentence. Otherwise, the sentence is perfectly legible.


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He was in a contract year last year to...
Being in a contract year as a restricted free agent is a little different than being in a contract year as a pending unrestricted free agent.

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10-16-2006, 07:21 PM
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Being in a contract year as a restricted free agent is a little different than being in a contract year as a pending unrestricted free agent.
Are you saying Ryder is UFA next year after his third NHL season? I doubt that.

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10-16-2006, 07:24 PM
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It only makes zero sense if you're extrapolating more than I intended to say with that sentence. Otherwise, the sentence is perfectly legible.




Being in a contract year as a restricted free agent is a little different than being in a contract year as a pending unrestricted free agent.
http://www3.telus.net/public/dreyes/nhl/mtl.html
RFA....

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10-16-2006, 07:29 PM
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Being in a contract year as a restricted free agent is a little different than being in a contract year as a pending unrestricted free agent.
Ryder is a RFA at the end of the year... so your statement really didn't say much...

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10-16-2006, 07:31 PM
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If you're right that Ryder's not a pending UFA, then of course what I've said is null and void. I was pretty certain Ryder was going to be a UFA next summer. If not though, then that's a relief.

I wasn't worried that Ryder was playing for a contract; more worried that Montreal would have to fit a career-year from Ryder under the cap.

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If Ryder plays the rest of the season and Playoffs how he has played the first 4 games he will garner a long term lucrative contract from Bob Gainey!

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10-16-2006, 07:53 PM
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If you would have followed his 1st season in the NHL and if you knew about his injury last year than yes, it was a ridiculous statement to make.
If you weren't aware of these two things than you were just ignorant.

If you were informed of theses things and ignored them than you were setting yourself up to be ridiculed.

So to everyone who "forgot" Ryder's 1st year and claimed he sucked while he gave everything he had to help this team who badly needed his top scorer, than you can eat more than just crow.
Well then I applaud you for your incredible forsight on predicting Ryder would learn to skate faster and hustle every shift, all in a couple of months since the playoffs ended....which is when we all ripped him for not be more of a complete player.......then he came out to say that he was injured.......There was no injury report prior to that.......What are we supposed to go on?

Fine, now we know he's not injured anymore, lost some weight, (because of the injury...) and has changed his game to be more aggressive, (Carbo & Muller input) and that is all I ever wanted was more hustle from a young gun.



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10-16-2006, 07:57 PM
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Mike will score 40 goals this year, hes our ultimate powerplay weapon with souray.

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10-16-2006, 08:07 PM
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Mike will score 40 goals this year, hes our ultimate powerplay weapon with souray.
That he is. The habs lucked with this late round pick, I'll tell you that.

Ryder's decision to start hitting again has brought a new dimension to an already multi-dimensional line. You've got youth, experience, PP, PK, leadership, hustle, grit, talent, speed and now a big guy who teams might just become a bit more afraid of.

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10-16-2006, 08:36 PM
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Ryder looked freakishly fast against Ottawa. As for stickhandling, he'll never be a guy to carry the puck up the length of the ice deking everyone out, but he can take the puck from a bad angle to a prime shooting spot with some nice little moves and pure determination.
I saw Lyle Odelein go end to end once, deeking players and finally pulling a move on the goalie before sliding it home!


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10-16-2006, 10:14 PM
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Well then I applaud you for your incredible forsight on predicting Ryder would learn to skate faster and hustle every shift, all in a couple of months since the playoffs ended....which is when we all ripped him for not be more of a complete player.......then he came out to say that he was injured.......There was no injury report prior to that.......What are we supposed to go on?

Fine, now we know he's not injured anymore, lost some weight, (because of the injury...) and has changed his game to be more aggressive, (Carbo & Muller input) and that is all I ever wanted was more hustle from a young gun.


I don't deseve any credit. I just read these boards everyday.

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10-16-2006, 10:30 PM
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Ryder's in a contract year.
He was in a contract year last year. His game is much better this year though.

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10-17-2006, 01:48 AM
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I saw Lyle Odelein go end to end once, deeking players and finally pulling a move on the goalie before sliding it home!

chicago right??? if i remember correctly i think he had a 5 point game in hartford too, but man was he ugly and slow, but i loved oddie



lots of people were way too hard on ryder for his sophmore year in the nhl, not only was he our top scorer he was and will continue to develope his game for another 3-5 years especialy if he's going to be more physicle and gritty in the offensive zone, which he will.

i found it quite wierd how fellow habs fans turned on him though. i guess there are allot of newhabsera minds out there which is sad.

btw i really wanted shanahan here becuase he would have helped with ryders developtment, thats who i think ryder will resemble.

someone should make a thread on this but muller and carbo are going to develope our youngsters to be complete hockey players for years, they have an insane amount of knowledge in the game.


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10-17-2006, 03:48 AM
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After seeing the guy in the AHL 3-4 years ago, I thought the guy had an elite shot and a great scoring shot but I didnt think his skating, overall agility, stickhandling skills and hockey sense would translate well to the NHL... During his rookie year he surprised me alot finding ways to get in shoting positions and generating some scoring chances by his own but you could see he still had some fundamental flaws in his game and that there was alot of place for improvment... His second season was a desapointment, I know the guy was playing hurt for the most part of the season but he wasnt involved in the play enough, floating around, losing the puck too easily in the offensive zone, not protecting it well, not skating well (but the skating issue had always been), overall not making his line dangerous offensively, and defensively he had some really bad moments as well... Despite all this, he found ways to score goals and ended the season with 30 goals or so..

Now, I can definitively say that I was wrong about Ryder, the guy improved a big deal in every areas he had to... He is much quicker, way more involved in the play, improved his puck protection skills, hits hard when he has a chance to, plays with intensity.. Its day and night compared to last year... Ryder is a dillema for me, the guy always found a way to adjust everywhere he played and found a way to improve some major weakness most young players will never be able to improve enough to get at another level.. Not only Ryder made a place for himself in the NHL despite all the weakness he had to work on but the guy is now dominating in the best league of the world..

Jy leve mon chapeau!! Bravo Michael!!

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If Ryder plays the rest of the season and Playoffs how he has played the first 4 games he will garner a long term lucrative contract from Bob Gainey!
agree.

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10-17-2006, 05:28 AM
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What I am impressed the most with is the body he is throwing around. He had five hits alone the last game, and is third on the team with hits. However, he is still a sniper, but his shots on net stat is way down - seems that he is working more on the defensive part of his game, which is great, but we still need him to be shooting at the net as he has an undeniable ability to score goals.

As for the comments that Higgins and Koivu make him better, that is true. However, he makes Higgins and Koivu better as well - please remember that he has produced regardless of who he has played with, and don't suggest that Ryder is better now because the other members of his line are carrying him.

I wonder, as well, whether the improved play has something to do with Ribeiro being gone. Ribs made those comments about him last year, and maybe that was an issue with him. This, on top of the injury which, according to the Habs site, should have meant that he missed all but one game in the season....

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Just want to add a couple of things.

As for Ryder being in a contract year..... Every year has been a contract year for him, so no biggie.

As for those people who are surprise that he lost weight and has gotten faster....
What, from following Ryder through Jr, the ECHL and the AHL gave anyone the idea that he wouldn't work his *** off to improve his game? Ryder has been doing what it took to improve his game yearly. Unlike some people who think they have all the talent in the world and that working on things is for chumps, Ryder has taken is weaknesses and improved on them.

He has done this at every level of hockey. When people have said that he had a deficency, he worked on it. You know what? If his defence needs work after this season..... he'l work on that and make that better. I have no doubt.

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If you would have followed his 1st season in the NHL and if you knew about his injury last year than yes, it was a ridiculous statement to make.
If you weren't aware of these two things than you were just ignorant.

If you were informed of theses things and ignored them than you were setting yourself up to be ridiculed.

So to everyone who "forgot" Ryder's 1st year and claimed he sucked while he gave everything he had to help this team who badly needed his top scorer, than you can eat more than just crow.
Thank you. All last year I had to defend Ryder...All summer I defended him after it was known he was injured the entire year (we also knew about it before, several posters from Ryder's hometown had mentioned he was injured as early as December). I want to know where the posters like SOLR and others are now?


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Well then I applaud you for your incredible forsight on predicting Ryder would learn to skate faster and hustle every shift
It's not forsight if that's how Ryder had always played in the past. People take the anomaly and make it the norm...He had one season slightly worse than his others and suddenly he never knew how to skate or hustle before now.

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Just want to add a couple of things.

As for Ryder being in a contract year..... Every year has been a contract year for him, so no biggie.

As for those people who are surprise that he lost weight and has gotten faster....
What, from following Ryder through Jr, the ECHL and the AHL gave anyone the idea that he wouldn't work his *** off to improve his game? Ryder has been doing what it took to improve his game yearly. Unlike some people who think they have all the talent in the world and that working on things is for chumps, Ryder has taken is weaknesses and improved on them.

He has done this at every level of hockey. When people have said that he had a deficency, he worked on it. You know what? If his defence needs work after this season..... he'l work on that and make that better. I have no doubt.


I've said several times that Ryder is one of the hardest working players on the team and been rediculed for it. The fact is that Ryder has had to work his *** off at every level to make it to the NHL, and that type of hard work and work ethic doesn't just go away. Guys drafted as low as him are often written off before they even do anything, and he made it on sheer work and desire alone.

The best thing for Ryder now is that Ribeiro, "there wouldn't be a problem with this team if only Ryder would score on half the chances I set up for him", is gone. I wonder how long before Morrow or Modano take a page out of Saku's book and slap the taste out of little Micky Ribs' mouth.

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I've said several times that Ryder is one of the hardest working players on the team and been rediculed for it. The fact is that Ryder has had to work his *** off at every level to make it to the NHL, and that type of hard work and work ethic doesn't just go away. Guys drafted as low as him are often written off before they even do anything, and he made it on sheer work and desire alone.
i think part of the credit has to go to Claude Julien for persevering with Ryder. He was the one who saw what Ryder was capable of. We never even heard of the guy before Julien came around...

Or maybe it was Therrien? Im not sure, either way, one of the two pushed Ryder, so kudos to them.

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