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06-21-2013, 09:47 AM
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I like the option of Brunner, he could give you the same production I believe while coming in around the same cap hit Read will be signing next year, probably a little less actually. If that is the case and we sign him, we can ship Read in a trade to get back another asset.

Brunner for 4 years at 13 million would be ideal, I think he might sign closer to around 3.75-4 on the open market though.

I wouldn't mind having Horton as well, he would give us three big checkers for our lines. I am worried about his price though. If he can come in under 5 million, it would be worth checking out, but I don't think he goes under that unless it's a bigger deal. Also Clowe would be cheaper I would think, but is 4(?) years older. Horton and Clowe both have head problems as well, which Flyer fans under appreciate with Simmonds and Hartnell, they never have problems with concussion(serious ones at least) which is amazing for the style they play.

Also some Anaheim fans like the idea of Hiller for Mez, I wouldn't mind that at all. Really just gives us the reason to let Bryz go. Hiller and Mason is not a bad tandem.

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06-21-2013, 09:54 AM
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Trading Coburn will not improve the defense when you have Grossmann and Mezaros as big injury concerns. Coburn is the perfect partner for Streit.
I do like what coburn brings to the table, but if I have an opportunity to trade him to improve the team and also have a viable replacement I wouldnt think twice about it.

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06-21-2013, 10:26 AM
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Buyout Briere & Bryzgalov

Trade read and our 2nd for Bernier

sign Brunner-4 years 15 mil

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Simmonds-Schenn-Brunner
Gagne-Couturier-McGinn
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06-21-2013, 11:01 AM
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Buyout Briere & Bryzgalov

Trade read and our 2nd for Bernier

sign Brunner-4 years 15 mil

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Simmonds-Schenn-Brunner
Gagne-Couturier-McGinn
Rinaldo-Laughton-Talbot

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Gustafsson-Grossmann

Bernier
Mason
I wouldn't be surprised to see Brunner get more than that if he goes to UFA. Some team will overpay him in the hopes that he can play like a top liner. He's also similar to Read in the sense that this is probably the only big money contract that he sees in the NHL, so he might go to the highest bidder.

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06-22-2013, 09:40 AM
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Great read on Meszaros that i have stated for awhile

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...bP9TAA.twitter

Written by Bill M. I know ive debated with a few people about it on here before.

Mez is a good #5. Thats it though

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06-22-2013, 10:12 AM
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Great read on Meszaros that i have stated for awhile

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...bP9TAA.twitter

Written by Bill M. I know ive debated with a few people about it on here before.

Mez is a good #5. Thats it though
Even his skill level aside, his cap hit tied to his shoulder and back (back? I think he's had back injuries) problems really makes me pause. At this point I assume he's a far more expensive Betts.

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Even his skill level aside, his cap hit tied to his shoulder and back (back? I think he's had back injuries) problems really makes me pause. At this point I assume he's a far more expensive Betts.
Meszaros had a back injury that required an operation (it was either a herniated or fragmented disk that needed to be removed). Part of the problem was that he came back too soon from the back injury and I think that played a part in the other injuries. Fact is, last season was a season in which Meszaros suffered some freak injuries that could have happened to anyone. I don't think the guy's made of glass, but the fact that both shoulders now have been operated on leads me to be a little apprehensive.

He's not a Blair Betts at all. Physically, Mesz can still play. He's at 100% health wise right now and more than anything, he just needed an off season to heal up.

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06-22-2013, 10:51 AM
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4 million for a good #5 with a lot of injuries. Apprehensive, yeah.

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Great read on Meszaros that i have stated for awhile

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...bP9TAA.twitter

Written by Bill M. I know ive debated with a few people about it on here before.

Mez is a good #5. Thats it though
Thanks for posting this. The article made me think about comments posted by Senators and Lightning fans around the time the Flyers acquired Meszaros: he can look like a star in a supporting role, but tends to falter when asked to step up into a more prominent pairing.

All of the factors together -- overall play, injuries, cap hit -- point to moving Meszaros for cap relief.

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06-22-2013, 11:11 AM
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Why not something like Coburn, Read, 2014 First for Ryan, Sbisa, and Hiller. Maybe we add our second from this draft. But Coburn gives them a defensive partner for Fowler, Read replaces about 20-25 goals they would lose from Ryan but also a defensive upgrade over Ryan. Hiller would be mostly a cap dump for the year since Fasth broke out last year.

Ryan gives us a big time winger for Giroux, Sbisa somewhat replaces coburn and Hiller lets us buy ouy Bryz and have a backup plan for mason. Then we make our decision on a goaltender next season. We also keep our first in this years draft. I would not trade that at all.

Hartnell-Giroux-Ryan
Schenn-Couturier-Voracek
Gagne-Laughton-Simmonds
McGinn-Talbot-Rinaldo
Rosehill

Timonen-Schenn
Streit-Sbisa
Grossmann-Gus
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Mason
Hiller
I'd go along with this. I'd rather give up Hartnell than Read. I don't like either his contract or play. Read, on the other hand, isn't going to be cheap after this season so I understand the willingness to trade him off for value now.

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06-22-2013, 11:14 AM
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The Flyers already have a expensive defensive core and that is with Gus still unsigned. If you think thats all Mez can be at this point is a#5 defenseman then its time to think about other options. Especially given that Mez cannot be trusted to stay healthy

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06-22-2013, 12:13 PM
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I just hope we get Bernier.

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06-22-2013, 02:30 PM
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I just hope we get Bernier.
I'm with you, mate. Would be very excited about a Bernier & Mason duo going into next season. I think the fact that they are both at similar age would push them both in healthy competition.

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06-23-2013, 01:47 PM
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I just hope we get Bernier.
Nope, Leafs got Bernier.
Guess we are going with another year of Bryz.
We must be trying harder to tank for next season.
Did not try hard enough this past season, lost Jones.
Holmer must be setting up next GM with a top #5 pick I guess.

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06-23-2013, 03:41 PM
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No Bernier. Not even really that upset. He has the potential to be good, but is still unproven.

Now what? Bobby Ryan? Yandle?

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Nope, Leafs got Bernier.
Guess we are going with another year of Bryz.
We must be trying harder to tank for next season.
Did not try hard enough this past season, lost Jones.
Holmer must be setting up next GM with a top #5 pick I guess.
So you're basically complaining that Homer didn't give up too much for Bernier and you want this team to fail even more than this season? Good job being a fan there buddy...

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Oh excellent. That just made my day.

Here's what I do.

Amnesty: Briere and Bryzgalov
Sign as UFA: Streit and Emery
Trade: Meszaros for a pick
Resign: Gagne, Gustafsson, the other notable RFAs.

OUT: $16.2mil + $5mil on LTIR (Pronger) = $21.2mil
IN: $5.25mil + $3.5mil + $2mil + $1mil = $11.75mil
= around $5mil in space for another forward OR to save for 2014-15 new contracts unless they want a forward on a 1year deal ...

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
McGinn - B. Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Laughton - Talbot
Rosehill
AHL: Raffl, Akeson, Flanagan, Noebels, Straka, Cousins, Holmstrom, Mathers, Wellwood, etc.

Streit - L. Schenn
Coburn - Timonen
Grossmann - Gustafsson
Gervais
AHL: Lauridsen, [Bourdon?], Alt, Manning, Syvret, Konan, Eddy, Lamarche

Emery
Mason
AHL: Heeter, Chubak

There's room for another top-9 forward but that would push McGinn back to the AHL, most likely. A winger on either side would work because Matt Read could play the left side if he needed too BUT I'd rather have a left-winger who can score. Raffl would be nice if they wanted a defensive forward to try to replace Fedotenko, IMO.


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No Bernier. Not even really that upset. He has the potential to be good, but is still unproven.

Now what? Bobby Ryan? Yandle?
Personally, I hope neither. Rumors around them always seem to involve overpayment.

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I just hope Bryzgalov is ****ing sent packing. I had enough of that guy. Sign Emery, do something, just get him the **** out of here.

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I just hope Bryzgalov is ****ing sent packing. I had enough of that guy. Sign Emery, do something, just get him the **** out of here.
Agreed

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Oh excellent. That just made my day.

Here's what I do.

Amnesty: Briere and Bryzgalov
Sign as UFA: Streit and Emery
Trade: Meszaros for a pick
Resign: Gagne, Gustafsson, the other notable RFAs.

OUT: $16.2mil + $5mil on LTIR (Pronger) = $21.2mil
IN: $5.25mil + $3.5mil + $2mil + $1mil = $11.75mil
= around $5mil in space for another forward OR to save for 2014-15 new contracts unless they want a forward on a 1year deal ...

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
McGinn - B. Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Laughton - Talbot
Rosehill
AHL: Akeson, Flanagan, Noebels, Straka, Cousins, Holmstrom, Mathers, Wellwood, etc.

Streit - L. Schenn
Coburn - Timonen
Grossmann - Gustafsson
Gervais
AHL: Lauridsen, [Bourdon?], Alt, Manning, Syvret, Konan, Eddy, Lamarche

Emery
Mason
AHL: Heeter, Chubak

There's room for another top-9 forward but that would push McGinn back to the AHL, most likely. a winger on either side would work because Matt Read could play the left side if he needed too BUT I'd rather have a left-winger who can score.
I agree almost 100% with this. Forget the big splash. Have to buy Bryz out.

Variable is that Emery might not be available, but Backstrom might. Options like Halak or Hiller would eat up the cap room, but only for 1 year until we find out if Mason can cut it.

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Oh excellent. That just made my day.

Here's what I do.

Amnesty: Briere and Bryzgalov
Sign as UFA: Streit and Emery
Trade: Meszaros for a pick
Resign: Gagne, Gustafsson, the other notable RFAs.

OUT: $16.2mil + $5mil on LTIR (Pronger) = $21.2mil
IN: $5.25mil + $3.5mil + $2mil + $1mil = $11.75mil
= around $5mil in space for another forward OR to save for 2014-15 new contracts unless they want a forward on a 1year deal ...

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
McGinn - B. Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Laughton - Talbot
Rosehill
AHL: Akeson, Flanagan, Noebels, Straka, Cousins, Holmstrom, Mathers, Wellwood, etc.

Streit - L. Schenn
Coburn - Timonen
Grossmann - Gustafsson
Gervais
AHL: Lauridsen, [Bourdon?], Alt, Manning, Syvret, Konan, Eddy, Lamarche

Emery
Mason
AHL: Heeter, Chubak

There's room for another top-9 forward but that would push McGinn back to the AHL, most likely. a winger on either side would work because Matt Read could play the left side if he needed too BUT I'd rather have a left-winger who can score.
Forgetting about raffl

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So you're basically complaining that Homer didn't give up too much for Bernier and you want this team to fail even more than this season? Good job being a fan there buddy...
LOL. I am just being sarcastic.
I do not see it as overpay to get the best goalie available.
Bernier was the best option to replace Bryz and he decided not
to make the deal.
God knows this defense could use some better goaltending than Bryz.

Of course I want to win, I just question whether Homer wants
to win or just make the playoffs.
This non-move by him is almost as bad as the Bob trade.

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