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06-20-2013, 02:39 PM
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I wouldn't give up on him yet, though. If he is defensively responsible and shows us something in training camp, then by all means he could be a third line player. If Stempniak's gone, there's a good chance for him. He just needs to take it. If he doesn't seize the opportunity, though, good riddance. Feaster expects him to come prepared, though.
At best he could be like Penner.

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06-20-2013, 02:40 PM
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At best he could be like Penner.
Does he have that same puck-protection ability? I didn't know he was that big.

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06-20-2013, 04:07 PM
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The hell? From thefanblogger yesterday.

Basically #flames will listen to offers on almost every player including Bartschi.exploring all there options
Buy a box of alpha-bits.

Spell out players names and say they are coming to the flames.

You will be move accurate than thefanblogger

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06-21-2013, 03:34 AM
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I think it's more likely that #6 spends a year in the A (Feaster probably takes Monahan)
Monahan can't play in the AHL til his 20 year old season. It's junior or the NHL for him.

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06-21-2013, 09:55 AM
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I think it's more likely that #6 spends a year in the A (Feaster probably takes Monahan).
Impossible unless we draft Barkov, Lindholm or Nichuskin (If he can get out of the KHL).

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Impossible unless we draft Barkov, Lindholm or Nichuskin (If he can get out of the KHL).
Nichushkin's out clause in his KHL contract is for NHL only.

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The hell? From thefanblogger yesterday.

Basically #flames will listen to offers on almost every player including Bartschi.exploring all there options
We should listen to offers on everyone. If someone offered Crosby for Sven you wouldn't take it? Of course we should listen doesn't mean we are actively looking to move anyone.

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06-21-2013, 02:12 PM
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We should listen to offers on everyone. If someone offered Crosby for Sven you wouldn't take it? Of course we should listen doesn't mean we are actively looking to move anyone.
I dunno, he has injury issues. And what age will he be by the time we're competitive?









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06-21-2013, 03:39 PM
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I dunno, he has injury issues. And what age will he be by the time we're competitive?








I was about to blast you until I saw the little sarcasm emoticon there at the bottom.

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06-21-2013, 05:21 PM
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Well, good luck Cammy.

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06-22-2013, 03:07 AM
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Was just about to post this.

Interesting, and my instinct tells me to believe it.

I think both Cammy and Tanguay are gone on the 30th. If they don't want to be here, send them packing.
I want to see them both moved. With any luck, we can land a late first and early second. I'd be thrilled!

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I want to see them both moved. With any luck, we can land a late first and early second. I'd be thrilled!
I think most of us would be, even if we had to retain some salary.

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06-22-2013, 06:40 PM
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I think most of us would be, even if we had to retain some salary.
I'd be willing to keep some salary on both to get a couple more picks.

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06-22-2013, 10:43 PM
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Has Filppula ever played in the top-6, let alone the top line? Is there any evidence to support him being a top line centre?
Filppula has played top-six the past couple seasons as a Wing. In 2011-12, he scored 66 points playing the left side with Zetterberg and Hudler at even strength and centering the second PP with Franzen/Holmstrom on one wing, Cleary/Bertuzzi on the other, Kronwall/White on one point, and Hudler on the other point.

I think 66 was a high number for him; he was fairly weak defensively compared to his normal responsible game. If he were put on a line between Baertschi and Hudler (or put Tanguay/Cammalleri on the left side if one of them is still around) and I think that line could produce some serious offense. Here's a quick mock-up if Tanguay and Sarich are traded, Filppula signed at what he's asking, Backlund at $3m, Ramo at $1.5m and the rest of the RFAs are just given their QO:

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Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Valtteri Filppula ($5.500m) / Jiri Hudler ($4.000m)
Sven Baertschi ($1.425m) / Mikael Backlund ($3.000m) / Roman Horak ($0.805m)
Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Matt Stajan ($3.500m) / Lee Stempniak ($2.500m)
Lance Bouma ($0.578m) / Max Reinhart ($0.878m) / Ben Hanowski ($0.900m)
Blair Jones ($0.650m) / Tim Jackman ($0.613m)
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T.J. Brodie ($1.750m) / Chris Butler ($2.000m)
Dennis Wideman ($5.250m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Derek Smith ($0.775m) / Mark Cundari ($0.605m)
Christopher Breen ($0.578m)
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Joey MacDonald ($0.925m)
Karri Ramo ($1.500m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $50,301,250; BONUSES: $996,250
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $14,995,000

I still say trading Bouwmeester was a mistake. If Feaster could take back that trade (or if he can replace Bouwmeester with an equal/better defenseman), and sign a top-six RW into that second-line spot I have Horak slotted in, the Flames are a playoff team.

How much do you think Letang would cost?

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06-23-2013, 12:33 AM
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How much do you think Letang would cost?
Don't care he can't play defense (his nomination for Norris is a ****ing joke) keep him far far away.

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Don't care he can't play defense (his nomination for Norris is a ****ing joke) keep him far far away.
You're saying you wouldn't take him for a 7th?

Obviously he isn't good in his own end but he is still a very good player to have in your lineup.

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06-23-2013, 03:32 AM
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Filppula has played top-six the past couple seasons as a Wing. In 2011-12, he scored 66 points playing the left side with Zetterberg and Hudler at even strength and centering the second PP with Franzen/Holmstrom on one wing, Cleary/Bertuzzi on the other, Kronwall/White on one point, and Hudler on the other point.
To me, it seems like he was the weakest link on the second line, playing wing. I don't think that that's really support for him being a first line centre, and I think that if we were going to rely on him to fill that role, we would all be severely disappointed. Hudler was the other winger on that line. Having seen him play first hand last year for us, do we really think Hudler's a top line guy?


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06-23-2013, 04:07 AM
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You're saying you wouldn't take him for a 7th?

Obviously he isn't good in his own end but he is still a very good player to have in your lineup.
I would. Then flip him for a 6th at the deadline

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06-23-2013, 09:36 AM
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Filppula has played top-six the past couple seasons as a Wing. In 2011-12, he scored 66 points playing the left side with Zetterberg and Hudler at even strength and centering the second PP with Franzen/Holmstrom on one wing, Cleary/Bertuzzi on the other, Kronwall/White on one point, and Hudler on the other point.

I think 66 was a high number for him; he was fairly weak defensively compared to his normal responsible game. If he were put on a line between Baertschi and Hudler (or put Tanguay/Cammalleri on the left side if one of them is still around) and I think that line could produce some serious offense. Here's a quick mock-up if Tanguay and Sarich are traded, Filppula signed at what he's asking, Backlund at $3m, Ramo at $1.5m and the rest of the RFAs are just given their QO:

FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Valtteri Filppula ($5.500m) / Jiri Hudler ($4.000m)
Sven Baertschi ($1.425m) / Mikael Backlund ($3.000m) / Roman Horak ($0.805m)
Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Matt Stajan ($3.500m) / Lee Stempniak ($2.500m)
Lance Bouma ($0.578m) / Max Reinhart ($0.878m) / Ben Hanowski ($0.900m)
Blair Jones ($0.650m) / Tim Jackman ($0.613m)
DEFENSEMEN
T.J. Brodie ($1.750m) / Chris Butler ($2.000m)
Dennis Wideman ($5.250m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Derek Smith ($0.775m) / Mark Cundari ($0.605m)
Christopher Breen ($0.578m)
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Joey MacDonald ($0.925m)
Karri Ramo ($1.500m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $50,301,250; BONUSES: $996,250
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $14,995,000

I still say trading Bouwmeester was a mistake. If Feaster could take back that trade (or if he can replace Bouwmeester with an equal/better defenseman), and sign a top-six RW into that second-line spot I have Horak slotted in, the Flames are a playoff team.

How much do you think Letang would cost?
This lineup is good as we would be in the hunt for the lottery pick. Why would we want Letang at the start of a rebuild?

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06-23-2013, 09:40 AM
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You're saying you wouldn't take him for a 7th?

Obviously he isn't good in his own end but he is still a very good player to have in your lineup.
As Abbs Heat said I would only trade for him to trade him away for more, he is a train wreck defensively and about the last person I would want to give up assets for.

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06-23-2013, 11:08 AM
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Even though Filp isn't a big center, I'd absolutely be in favour signing him. He comes from a winning organization, knows Hudler very well and is an extremely smart player.

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I'm not a Filppula fan but if he wants to come here on a reasonable UFA contract - why not. Gives us more options for trades whilst helping our lineup stay competitive. He may fit well into Bob's system.

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Don't care he can't play defense (his nomination for Norris is a ****ing joke) keep him far far away.
Letang isn't a great defensive defenseman, but his offensive possession skills and what he would contribute to scoring definitely outweigh that.

It just depends on how much he costs in trade as to whether it's a good idea.

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This lineup is good as we would be in the hunt for the lottery pick. Why would we want Letang at the start of a rebuild?
The top 14 are now lottery picks. Did you not get that memo? Miss the playoffs, and you have a shot at #1.

You clearly missed the $15m in cap space.

Adding Letang and a solid defensive defenseman (Scuderi?) gives the team instant credibility.

The only question then would be goaltending (can JMac/Ramo be a quality tandem or one/both be an effective starter?) and 1C (can Filppula proven he's a legit 1C/does Backlund take it to the next level/does Stajan return to his 60+ form?)

As far as centers, at least one of those things would happen. The goaltending is the biggest question mark, and I think JMac can be a starter in the NHL (and could have been one two or three years ago).

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I think you guys are evaluating Letang with a memory of these playoffs alone. He was bad these playoffs, sure, but so was Crosby and Malkin. Does that mean Crosby and Malkin aren't elite players?

Fans, GMs and hockey analysts aren't stupid, and that's why Letang gets nominated for Norris trophies

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I think you guys are evaluating Letang with a memory of these playoffs alone. He was bad these playoffs, sure, but so was Crosby and Malkin. Does that mean Crosby and Malkin aren't elite players?

Fans, GMs and hockey analysts aren't stupid, and that's why Letang gets nominated for Norris trophies
I agree. Letang is like Karlsson. His strength defensively is making it so he never has to play defence. When he is on the ice, the puck has a way of ending up in the offensive zone very quickly. Everything gets magnified and exploited in the playoffs, so probably not the best time to make an absolute judgement on his abilities.

That said, I don't want to lose any key assets for him.

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