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06-23-2013, 12:04 PM
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As an Avs fan, I really hate it.

1st overall+ for Karlsson is fairish value (not saying either team would do it)

But to add another potential top 5 pick and a top pairing defender? I might be a homer, but I want Malkin or Crosby back for this type of package
Avs fans really need to stop with this kind of thing. Just because he's you're best defenseman, I doesn't mean he should be anywhere near a top pair on a good team. Johnson is NOT a top pair defenseman.

I get it, you see horrible defensemen every game, in comparison Johnson may appear to be ''top pair''... but you guys need a reality check

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06-23-2013, 12:11 PM
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Colorado says 'no'

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06-23-2013, 12:12 PM
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One step forward and two steps back for the avs. I'd love to add karlsson, but not at that cost. I'm not sure that trade even makes us better in the short term. It would definitely come back to bite us long term.

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06-23-2013, 12:15 PM
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If you're a Sens fan, why on Earth would you even think of making a proposal involving Karlsson? I could see other team's fans trying to trade for him, but why on Earth would you trade him for anything? Are you wanting to draft Seth Jones, who, even if he hits his ultimate upside, may not amount to what Karlsson already is?
If I'm Murray I take this deal... Karlsson has proven thus far to be a different player in the playoffs then the powerplay filled regular season..... and who knows if he ever finds the majic he had prior to the skate slice.

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06-23-2013, 12:22 PM
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I feel like the Av's can't afford to lose that much as many have said before. Also Tyson Barrie is a fantastic offensive upside prospect. If he pans out the way he should he could someday contribute as much as a Karlsson type player. He has shown some flashes this last season and IF they draft 1st overall and either take Seth Jones or Mackinnon they have a very promising young group to build around, rather than trading two big pieces in Johnson and the 1st with one unknown potential top 5 pick next season.

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06-23-2013, 12:46 PM
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Avs fans really need to stop with this kind of thing. Just because he's you're best defenseman, I doesn't mean he should be anywhere near a top pair on a good team. Johnson is NOT a top pair defenseman.

I get it, you see horrible defensemen every game, in comparison Johnson may appear to be ''top pair''... but you guys need a reality check



Johnson may not be a #1 Dman. But he is most certainly a #2 Dman.


I would be a lot of money you didn't see him play more then 5 games this year.


You're the one who needs a reality check my friend.

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06-23-2013, 12:50 PM
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06-23-2013, 01:14 PM
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LOL. HF where picks are valued more than proven NHL talent.

Karlsson is a generational player. He's the youngest defenceman to win the Norris since Bobby Orr. He's far and away the best defenseman in the league.

No interest in EJ who is overrated because of his draft position. He's a top four defenseman at best. 1st overall is nice, but no proven talent coming back.

But with the Avs management, I'd ask for the same package for Chris Phillips. They'd probably say yes

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06-23-2013, 01:18 PM
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Bad on both sides. Ottawa doesn't want to lose Karlsson and its a huge overpayment by the Avs.

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06-23-2013, 01:22 PM
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LOL. HF where picks are valued more than proven NHL talent.

Karlsson is a generational player. He's the youngest defenceman to win the Norris since Bobby Orr. He's far and away the best defenseman in the league.

No interest in EJ who is overrated because of his draft position. He's a top four defenseman at best. 1st overall is nice, but no proven talent coming back.

But with the Avs management, I'd ask for the same package for Chris Phillips. They'd probably say yes


And you clearly no nothing, absolutely nothing about the Avs. Not surprising really.


EJ a Top 4 Dman at best.....

The Avs management have literally not made A SINGLE move yet.

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06-23-2013, 01:25 PM
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LOL. HF where picks are valued more than proven NHL talent.

Karlsson is a generational player. He's the youngest defenceman to win the Norris since Bobby Orr. He's far and away the best defenseman in the league.

No interest in EJ who is overrated because of his draft position. He's a top four defenseman at best. 1st overall is nice, but no proven talent coming back.

But with the Avs management, I'd ask for the same package for Chris Phillips. They'd probably say yes
EJ a top 4 defensman at best? The Avs management that has not done a thing yet you apparently think they are awful?



Good to know you don't know a thing.

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06-23-2013, 01:33 PM
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LOL. HF where picks are valued more than proven NHL talent.

Karlsson is a generational player. He's the youngest defenceman to win the Norris since Bobby Orr. He's far and away the best defenseman in the league.

No interest in EJ who is overrated because of his draft position. He's a top four defenseman at best. 1st overall is nice, but no proven talent coming back.

But with the Avs management, I'd ask for the same package for Chris Phillips. They'd probably say yes
Never understood why people get so offended in these threads.

When the pick is first overall, it's right to be overvalued.

Ej is probably underrated due to his draft position. Everyone wants to slap the bust label on him. They dont like it when a first overall is only pretty good. Its a better story when he is either excellent or a bust. Ej gets thrown into the bust category because he isnt elite. He's very good in his own zone. He just didn't develop the offensive skills that were expected. If there was a redraft, he definitely wouldn't go first overall, but he'd still be a first rounder. He's a #2 on most teams. On a few teams with great d, he'd be a 3/4.

The avs are under new management that literally has not made one signing or trade. Not sure how you have any information to even form an opinion on them yet. I'll just assume you have absolutely no knowledge of the avs players or management.


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06-23-2013, 02:01 PM
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And you clearly no nothing, absolutely nothing about the Avs. Not surprising really.


EJ a Top 4 Dman at best.....

The Avs management have literally not made A SINGLE move yet.
Well I know* how to spell at least.

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Well I know* how to spell at least.

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Well I know* how to spell at least.
Good for you


Still does not change the fact you know nothing about our players or management.

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Well I know* how to spell at least.
If your knowledge of hockey came anywhere near your awe inspiring spelling expertise, your posts might be worth reading.

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if this was nhl 13 id do it

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Avs fans really need to stop with this kind of thing. Just because he's you're best defenseman, I doesn't mean he should be anywhere near a top pair on a good team. Johnson is NOT a top pair defenseman.

I get it, you see horrible defensemen every game, in comparison Johnson may appear to be ''top pair''... but you guys need a reality check
Just because Johnson isn't as good as Karlsson doesn't mean he's not a #1 or 2 Dman, Johnson brings a lot to the table hes 6"4 235lbs good defensively and has that slapshot. the difference is that karlsson see's every second of pp time in ottawa where as joe sacco had 5 forwards playing all his pp time.... Johnsons our guy and I know he could produce offensively if given the opportunity.

I just hate how people come on here and look at pure stats and think they know a player without watching them play like i have the past 3 years. which reminds me I was at the sens vs avs game 2 years ago in ottawa and i remember the avs winning 7-1 EJ, getting 2a +2.

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Both sides say no.

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06-23-2013, 05:23 PM
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Well I know* how to spell at least.
Is no not how you spell no?


I made a grammatical error, yes. I didn't spell any word wrong in that sentence though.



But that was a solid response. A+ Effort for you.

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Teams do not often trade 23 year old Norris trophy winners.

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But with the Avs management, I'd ask for the same package for Chris Phillips. They'd probably say yes
Well, Greg Sherman is no longer making personnel decisions in Colorado, so that opportunity is lost.

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Is that all we'd have to trade for him? Heck throw in Duchene too. I mean this guy is a future Norris winner!
















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Not even close. #3 1 dimensional dman, Drouin and a 1st does not get a top 3 player in the league.

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