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Kreider Stepan Nash
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So if AV wants a defensive 3rd line, Nystrom would be the best bet in UFA. LW is a need. Speed. PK.

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So if AV wants a defensive 3rd line, Nystrom would be the best bet in UFA. LW is a need. Speed. PK.
Nystrom is more of an energy 4th line player that he likes.

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So if AV wants a defensive 3rd line, Nystrom would be the best bet in UFA. LW is a need. Speed. PK.
Would love Nystrom. Curious to see if the Isles try go get him though

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I'd like Nystrom. Good solid 4th liner.

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So if AV wants a defensive 3rd line, Nystrom would be the best bet in UFA. LW is a need. Speed. PK.
Nystrom-Boyle-Callahan would have a lot of trouble to get the puck out of their own zone. This team needs a John Mitchell type that has the balls to carry the puck and lead a breakout no matter what. Of course, it would be better if a player knew how to do something with the puck after maintain possession, the thing that separated Mitchell from being great. Beggars can't be choosers though.

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Nystrom-Boyle-Callahan would have a lot of trouble to get the puck out of their own zone. This team needs a John Mitchell type that has the balls to carry the puck and lead a breakout no matter what. Of course, it would be better if a player knew how to do something with the puck after maintain possession, the thing that separated Mitchell from being great. Beggars can't be choosers though.
Boyle started 29.8% of his shifts in the defensive zone, and ended in the offensive zone 50.8% of the time.

So, yeah, Boyle is pretty much better than Mitchell ever was at that.

Boyle-Callahan is a great defensive pairing up front. Nystrom isn't a third liner, I would prefer to have someone else in that spott.

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Don't want Nystrom. We don't need more players who can't score.

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Boyle started 29.8% of his shifts in the defensive zone, and ended in the offensive zone 50.8% of the time.

So, yeah, Boyle is pretty much better than Mitchell ever was at that.

Boyle-Callahan is a great defensive pairing up front. Nystrom isn't a third liner, I would prefer to have someone else in that spott.
Boyle was good at zone start differential in 2011-12, but his game fell off a cliff in the regular season and his shots relative to competition severely declined as well in 2013. Boyle, while doing an admirable job in a pure defensive role, hasn't been able to generate shot differential like Mitchell has. Neither Nystrom or Boyle and even Callahan help in that regard. I just see that line being hemmed for long stretches in their own end.

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Boyle started 29.8% of his shifts in the defensive zone, and ended in the offensive zone 50.8% of the time.

So, yeah, Boyle is pretty much better than Mitchell ever was at that.

Boyle-Callahan is a great defensive pairing up front. Nystrom isn't a third liner, I would prefer to have someone else in that spott.
The following is a spreadsheet showing all centers who played >20 games this season with an offensive zone start within 10% of boyle (34.4 to 42.2 or so). I added a custom category at the end offensive zone finish/offensive zone start. Boyle is basically right in the middle and is average (average is 1.18 here, median 1.19) so this "skill" Boyle has of advancing the puck out of the zone is not really a skill but mainly just "if you start in the D-Zone so often it is likely you will advance the puck up into the offensive zone". As in, consider the place where a player had 0% O-Zone starts obviously you would expect him not to have 0% O-Zone finishes. The more you start out on defense the better your ratio of change will look (that's why I only took players within 10% of him.).

So essentially take any Center, put him in Boyles role with that many O-Zone starts and you're going to get similar results with O-Zone finished.



Likewise here's the data for the top 30 centers min 20 games played in the league this year in terms of O-Start%



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The following is a spreadsheet showing all centers who played >20 games this season with an offensive zone start within 10% of boyle (34.4 to 42.2 or so). I added a custom category at the end offensive zone finish/offensive zone start. Boyle is basically right in the middle and is average (average is 1.18 here, median 1.19) so this "skill" Boyle has of advancing the puck out of the zone is not really a skill but mainly just "if you start in the D-Zone so often it is likely you will advance the puck up into the offensive zone". As in, consider the place where a player had 0% O-Zone starts obviously you would expect him not to have 0% O-Zone finishes. The more you start out on defense the better your ratio of change will look (that's why I only took players within 10% of him.).

So essentially take any Center, put him in Boyles role with that many O-Zone starts and you're going to get similar results with O-Zone finished.

Wow Kruger is even better than I thought he was. No wonder Chicago is an elite defensive team. Modern day Samuel Pahlsson for sure.

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Can Lapierre play wing or does he play C exclusively?

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I think AV coming back all but guarantees Pyatt getting another go here in NY.

I've been on board with the notion of adding Nystrom for quite some time. Nothing would please me more. Can Pyatt handle 3LW duties though? I don't think so...

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The Rangers horrible 6 goalie system is a BIG reason we couldn't clear the zone or break out. That will change under AV

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I think AV coming back all but guarantees Pyatt getting another go here in NY.

I've been on board with the notion of adding Nystrom for quite some time. Nothing would please me more. Can Pyatt handle 3LW duties though? I don't think so...
Pyatt does not belong on a 3rd line. He's fine for a 4th liner though

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AV loves Pyatt. Pyatt played a full season on the first line with the Sedin twins IIRC.

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Can Lapierre play wing or does he play C exclusively?
he can play both... but mainly plays center... adds more speed something Rangers needs..

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I think AV coming back all but guarantees Pyatt getting another go here in NY.

I've been on board with the notion of adding Nystrom for quite some time. Nothing would please me more. Can Pyatt handle 3LW duties though? I don't think so...
Who knows? The way Torts had them play KILLED the offensive side of the game. KILLED IT. I think anybody and everybody on this team should play better in the offensive zone with AV in here.

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If Lapierre can play wing.
Zuke - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin/Kreider - Brass - Callahan
Kreider/Hagelin - Lindberg - Lapierre
Nystrom/McLeod - Boyle - Dorsett

Start the season with Miller and Fast to replace Callahan and Hagelin.

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Don't want Nystrom. We don't need more players who can't score.
Nystrom brings so much more than scoring, he can basically do everything else. Hits, fights, PK's, great skater, never gives up on a shift, etc. He's also good for 10-15 goals in a full season, perfect bottom 6 player.

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