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February 15, 1946, Three Applicants to Join the NHL

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February 15, 1946, Three Applicants to Join the NHL

Not Cleveland nor the NY Americans. Three groups applied to join the NHL - Philadelphia - old Maroons franchise plus new interest from Los Angeles and San Francisco:

http://news.google.ca/newspapers?id=...3964%2C2746310

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Let's assume that 1946 was like 1966 and the NHL was about the get 6 more teams. Hopefully spread out over a few seasons to not have the ridiculous doubling in one year that happened in 1967.

Let's assume that Philadelphia and Pittsburgh join in 1947. St. Louis and Washington in 1949. Really good air travel did not exist until about 1958. Still I think they could have done San Francisco and Los Angeles in 1950. Imagine the explosion in hockey interest if it was on early TV when their were only a couple of channels in SF and LA. If it preceded Baseball by 8-10 years the strong hold on the TV minds of so many Californians would be different with hockey. Part of the fascination with hockey and baseball in the two respective countries is due to the rise of radio and TV. California having it's own NHL teams in 1947ish-1950ish time period would lead to lasting popularity.

So it is 1950 and you have a 12 team league and TV EXPLODES over the next 5-10 years. The economy was amazing in the 1950's. The NHL lost out large by not expanding then.

1950 - How I think it would be aligned:

West:

Chicago
St. Louis
LA
San Fran

North

Detroit
Boston
Montreal
Toronto

South

New York
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Washington

So Hockey does well, TV expands the audience far more in the big western cities and air travel is easy by 1959 or so. So in 1960 the NHL expands again. 2 teams in 1960 and 2 in 1962. By this time there are more American players emerging as hockey is a more popular sport for kids throughout the USA. And higher salaries, less draconian player control by owners, so some Swedes and Finns begin to come over to try to play for biggish money in North America.

In 1960 Buffalo and Cleveland get teams.
In 1962 Minneapolis and Milwaukee get teams.

1962 - 2 Conference 4 Division 16 teams:

West
LA
San Fran
Milwaukee
Minneapolis

Mid West
Chicago
St. Louis
Detroit
Cleveland

North East
Buffalo
Toronto
Montreal
Boston

South East
Washington
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
New York

And lets say expansion comes along again near 1967 when the original league expanded but to 18 and then 20 teams in 1968 and 1970.

1968
Seattle
Vancouver

1970
Dallas
Houston

And let's say this happens:

1974
Team 21 Miami
Team 22 Tampa

1978
Team 23 Ottawa
Team 24 Quebec

1984
Team 25 Calgary
Team 26 Edmonton

1988

Team 27 Atlanta
Team 28 NYC #2 team

Just specualtion I guess to the NHL being serious about expanding in 1947 and the logical consequences after. Of course sports franchises rarely are located logically! Like having no NFL team in LA now!

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Actual pop estimates for the time period and when a metro got a team (from my head some years could be off a bit)
Top 75 US Metro areas in 1950:

Metropolitan Areas -- 1950

1.New York -- 12,911,994 2nd team 1972 3rd team 1982
2.Chicago -- 5,495,364
3.Los Angeles -- 4,367,911 1st team 1967 2nd team 1994
4.Philadelphia -- 3,671,048 1967
5.Detroit -- 3,016,197
6.Boston -- 2,875,876
7.San Francisco -- 2,240,767 Golden Seals 1967 (San Jose) 1991
8.Pittsburgh -- 2,213,236 1967
9.St. Louis -- 1,681,281 1967
10.Cleveland -- 1,465,511 (1976-78 Barons)
11.Washington -- 1,464,089 1972
12.Baltimore -- 1,337,373 NEVER
13.Minneapolis -- 1,116,509 1967
14.Buffalo -- 1,089,230 1970
15.Cincinnati -- 904,402 NEVER
16.Milwaukee -- 871,047 NEVER
17.Kansas City -- 814,357 (1974-76)
18.Houston -- 806,701 NEVER
19.Seattle -- 732,992 NEVER
20.Portland -- 704,829 NEVER
21.New Orleans -- 685,405 NEVER
22.Providence -- 681,815 NEVER
23.Atlanta -- 671,797 Flames failed in 70's and Thrashers in 00's
24.Dallas -- 614,799 1994
25.Louisville -- 576,900 NEVER
26.Denver -- 563,832 1995
27.Birmingham -- 558,928 NEVER
28.San Diego -- 556,808 NEVER
29.Indianapolis -- 551,777 NEVER
30.Worcester -- 546,401 Boston is close
31.New Haven -- 545,784 Boston is close
32.Hartford -- 539,661 1980-1996
33.Youngstown -- 528,498 NEVER
34.Albany -- 514,490 NEVER
35.Bridgeport -- 504,342 NEVER
36.Columbus -- 503,410 2000
37.San Antonio -- 500,460 NEVER
38.Miami -- 495,084 1993
39.Rochester -- 487,632 NEVER
40.Memphis -- 482,393 NEVER
41.Dayton -- 457,333 NEVER
42.Springfield -- 455,565 NEVER
43.Norfolk -- 446,200 NEVER
44.Allentown -- 437,824 NEVER
45.Akron -- 410,032 NEVER
46.Tampa -- 409,143 1992
47.Toledo -- 395,551 NEVER
48.Wilkes-Barre -- 392,241 NEVER
49.New Bedford -- 381,569 NEVER
50.Omaha -- 366,395 NEVER
51.Fort Worth -- 361,253 Dallas
52.Wheeling -- 354,092 NEVER
53.Honolulu -- 353,020 NEVER
54.Syracuse -- 341,719 NEVER
55.Knoxville -- 337,105 NEVER
56.Phoenix -- 331,770 1996
57.Richmond -- 328,050 NEVER
58.Oklahoma City -- 325,352 NEVER
59.Charleston -- 322,072 NEVER
60.Nashville -- 321,758 1998
61.Jacksonville -- 304,029 NEVER
62.Harrisburg -- 292,241 NEVER
63.Johnstown -- 291,354 NEVER
64.San Jose -- 290,547 1991
65.Grand Rapids -- 288,292 Detroit is close
66.Utica -- 284,262 NEVER
67.Canton -- 283,194 NEVER
68.San Bernardino -- 281,642 NEVER
69.Sacramento -- 277,140 NEVER
70.Fresno -- 276,515 NEVER
71.Tacoma -- 275,876 Seattle
72.Salt Lake City -- 274,895 NEVER
73.Flint -- 270,963 NEVER
74.Wilmington -- 268,387 NEVER
75.Scranton -- 257,396 NEVER

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26.denver -- 563,832 1995
1976 (Nitpicking; your list is a good one).

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Ncaa

Taco,

By 1949-50 the NCAA had a viable western hockey conference, including Colorado College and the University of Denver:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...a19501950.html

Interesting to know about the overall popularity of the sport in Colorado. Youth programs upwards.

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Los Amgeles and San Francisco

The PCHL enjoyed a nice run in these two cities starting in 1944-45:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...l19451945.html

Some interesting players came down from Canada, Ed Kullman, Ike Hildebrand, Al Rollins amongst others.

Still a long stretch to NHL ready.

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Still a long stretch to NHL ready.
Ya, Hockey Nomads for sure, coming from oddspots & Podunk towns, a few with pedigree, others without traces of a past at all. Interesting. And if you connect their names to slim links, you'll see some played with guys like Max Quackenbush, a very young Terry Sawchuk in Windsor & so on in the old IHL or wherever.

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