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06-23-2013, 05:45 PM
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What??
Zadorov's draft year: .10 gpg, .40ppg
L. Schenn's draft year: .12 gpg, .49 ppg

Schenn is a pretty good comparison.
Another thing to take into account when comparing points is teammates. Schenn played on a good team when he was 16, but it wasn't so good when he was 17, 18. Zadorov, on the other hand is playing on a stacked Knights team.

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06-23-2013, 05:51 PM
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Another thing to take into account when comparing points is teammates. Schenn played on a good team when he was 16, but it wasn't so good when he was 17, 18. Zadorov, on the other hand is playing on a stacked Knights team.
Consider this as well, Schenn was used to the NA game because he played it his whole life. This was Zadorov's first year in NA

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06-23-2013, 06:30 PM
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There is always an exception to every rule, but generally those who cannot produce offensively at the junior level aren't able to produce offensively in the best league in the world. He is not worth taking that high.


You can't 100% rely on a players junior pedigree to project their NHL ability. If that was most of it, then most of us could be scouts. What the real scouts do is break down the players game and assess how their strengths and weaknesses will translate. Zadorov is a good skater, and he makes smart plays in the offensive zone. Just because he didn't have gaudy numbers doesn't spell doom for him.

If your criteria for projecting a #1 defender includes, "Was he a #1 defender in his draft year?" or "Did he put up gaudy numbers in his draft year?", then you'd be missing out on Weber, Chara, and Letang.

The Schenn comparison is 100% accurate if you only look at the stats. If you watched both of them at the same age, you would realize they have very different skill sets, and Zadorov's leaves much more in the way of offensive potential that he hasn't tapped into yet.

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06-23-2013, 06:43 PM
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please homer make it happen
trade coburn + for another top 15
then draft Zadorov/Rasmus and Pulock

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06-23-2013, 06:46 PM
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What??
Zadorov's draft year: .10 gpg, .40ppg
L. Schenn's draft year: .12 gpg, .49 ppg

Schenn is a pretty good comparison.
Yeah that's what I meant when I said Zadorov almost matched Schenn's high but it was his first year in the CHL. There are other factors to consider, if you can't see that Zadorov has the better offensive skills then I don't know what to tell you.

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Consider this as well, Schenn was used to the NA game because he played it his whole life. This was Zadorov's first year in NA
I'm willing to consider that as a potential factor, but let's not act like numerous players from Russia and instantly converted to the NA game offensively.

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What??
Zadorov's draft year: .10 gpg, .40ppg
L. Schenn's draft year: .12 gpg, .49 ppg

Schenn is a pretty good comparison.
That was Luke's third season in the WHL.

I don't get giddy over Zadorov's offensive potential like other people though. He's not a stiff, but I don't see him being anything more than a borderline 2nd PP guy...maybe.

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I always roll my eyes when juniors are compared to players like Weber, Chara, and Lucic.
Chara is a great defenseman. Now everyone is looking for his clone. LOL, he's a one of a kind item. Teams would be better served to just accept these draftees for what they have/are rather than hyping them as the next Orr, Coffey, Robinson, Park, Howe ,etc. maybe in five years they'll be looking for the next Jones, Nurse, Ristolainen, Zadorov, and the like.

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How many teams can beat Couturier and 11 for that pick though? Keeping in mind that Nashville has expressed interest in Sean in the past. Only one I can think of is Calgary with their 3 picks that they reportedly offered to Colorado, if it was indeed Jones they were targeting.

Man, I just really want Jones on this team, he is a perfect fit for our young core. If only we didn't go on that winning streak to end the season, it might of been a little more realistic.
I think Zadorov is going to end being as good or better than Jones. I'd rather have Coots and Zadorov than Jones.

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I think Zadorov is going to end being as good or better than Jones. I'd rather have Coots and Zadorov than Jones.
Yup and this is what it comes down to. X player + couts is better that a lot if other stuff including yandle, Ryan, and jones.

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please homer make it happen
trade coburn + for another top 15
then draft Zadorov/Rasmus and Pulock
Honestly...

If we could move the 41 + Read for a pick in the late teens, we could pick up Morrissey + Zadorov.

I'd be completely on board with that.

By 2016...

Gustafsson (27) - Coburn (31)
Morrissey (21) - Schenn (26)
Gostisbehere (23) - Zadorov (21)
Streit (38) - Grossmann (31)


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Honestly...

If we could move the 41 + Read for a pick in the late teens, we could pick up Morrissey + Zadorov.

I'd be completely on board with that.

By 2016...

Gustafsson (27) - Coburn (31)
Morrissey (21) - Schenn (26)
Gostisbehere (23) - Zadorov (21)
Streit (38) - Grossmann (31)
I would definitely be okay with this.

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Honestly...

If we could move the 41 + Read for a pick in the late teens, we could pick up Morrissey + Zadorov.

I'd be completely on board with that.

By 2016...

Gustafsson (27) - Coburn (31)
Morrissey (21) - Schenn (26)
Gostisbehere (23) - Zadorov (21)
Streit (38) - Grossmann (31)
Would CBJ be willing to move one of their picks? I am not sure what their needs are or if they are willing to risk resigning Read.


Get it done Homer!

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06-23-2013, 11:24 PM
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I would definitely be okay with this.
With a lineup of...

Morrissey - Schenn
Gustafsson - Zadorov
Gostisbehere - (Coburn)

All set-up here long term, we would be able to establish our defensive foothold for years to come... (We already have a strangle hold on offense.)

Well, as long as Morrissey and Zadorov pan out. That's the key problem with selecting defensemen.

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With a lineup of...

Morrissey - Schenn
Gustafsson - Zadorov
Gostisbehere - (Coburn)

All set-up here long term, we would be able to establish our defensive foothold for years to come... (We already have a strangle hold on offense.)

Well, as long as Morrissey and Zadorov pan out. That's the key problem with selecting defensemen.
You could throw Gostibehere in the same boat.

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With a lineup of...

Morrissey - Schenn
Gustafsson - Zadorov
Gostisbehere - (Coburn)

All set-up here long term, we would be able to establish our defensive foothold for years to come... (We already have a strangle hold on offense.)

Well, as long as Morrissey and Zadorov pan out. That's the key problem with selecting defensemen.
Just having any two of Ristolainen, Zadorov, Morin, Morrissey, and Pulock increases our odds of having a future stud greatly.

I think I'd agree that Zadorov and Morrissey would be my choice of two, but, man, I like Risto, too.

Of course, neither of us should be surprised if we trade up from 41 and draft two more centers

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You could throw Gostibehere in the same boat.
I only put him on the 3rd pairing. If he doesn't pan out, that's fixable.

Really, if we assume we have a #3 PMD in Gus, a #2 SDD in Schenn, and a #4 SDD in Coburn (capable of playing a #2 but getting older), then we need a #1, a #5 PMD, and a #6 SDD.

That #1 is going to be the hardest to find. Can Morrissey or Nurse or Ristolainen or Pulock be that guy?

That is the real question going into draft day. Zadorov/Morin as a second draftee from this class becoming a top 4 shut-down defenseman down the road would just be a bonus.

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06-23-2013, 11:51 PM
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Well now that the Kings passed on the Flyers offer(not sure if it was confirmed it included Matt Read) I would be on board as using him as a bait to either moving up in the draft or using him to land another 1st later in the 1st round.
Whether the 41st OV and Read gets it done remains to be seen.

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Well now that the Kings passed on the Flyers offer(not sure if it was confirmed it included Matt Read) I would be on board as using him as a bait to either moving up in the draft or using him to land another 1st later in the 1st round.
Whether the 41st OV and Read gets it done remains to be seen.
I am glad they didn't overpay for Bernier, had they wanted a real shot at him they would had to have.

Leafs gave up: Scrivens, Frattin and a second round pick.

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Honestly...

If we could move the 41 + Read for a pick in the late teens, we could pick up Morrissey + Zadorov.

I'd be completely on board with that.

By 2016...

Gustafsson (27) - Coburn (31)
Morrissey (21) - Schenn (26)
Gostisbehere (23) - Zadorov (21)
Streit (38) - Grossmann (31)
I'm on board, too. This would be a great draft to have two first rounders. Maybe Calgary will trade one of theirs.

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Honestly...

If we could move the 41 + Read for a pick in the late teens, we could pick up Morrissey + Zadorov.

I'd be completely on board with that.

By 2016...

Gustafsson (27) - Coburn (31)
Morrissey (21) - Schenn (26)
Gostisbehere (23) - Zadorov (21)
Streit (38) - Grossmann (31)
This setup looks good but it also shows why we shouldn't draft Zadorov at 11.

I see him as a big mobile Defensive dman with limited offensive potential. If we want one of those this draft has plenty ... Morin and Diaby to name just two.

11 if such a bad pick in this draft, because I believe the top 10 players in this draft are above the rest.

But the value of this draft is in picks 15-30. That is why Id love to trade with calgary and get their 22 and 28 and possibly another 3rd rounder for 11.

Use that 3rd rounder and 41 and move up. to like 35. We could come out with

Morrissey, Morin, and Bowery ....I rather have that than just Zad at 11

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This setup looks good but it also shows why we shouldn't draft Zadorov at 11.

I see him as a big mobile Defensive dman with limited offensive potential. If we want one of those this draft has plenty ... Morin and Diaby to name just two.

11 if such a bad pick in this draft, because I believe the top 10 players in this draft are above the rest.

But the value of this draft is in picks 15-30. That is why Id love to trade with calgary and get their 22 and 28 and possibly another 3rd rounder for 11.

Use that 3rd rounder and 41 and move up. to like 35. We could come out with

Morrissey, Morin, and de la Rose....I rather have that than just Zad at 11
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Wasn't there a bunch of rumors that Calgary has been interested in read for a long time? If true I could definitely see him going there.

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I think Zadorov is going to end being as good or better than Jones. I'd rather have Coots and Zadorov than Jones.
I'd rather have the 11th pick and Coots, too, but what on earth makes you believe Zadorov is on that level?

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