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06-24-2013, 07:30 AM
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Nystrom is worse offensively than Boyle, yet we are going to expect 20-30 points a year from a guy that has hit 20+ points ONE TIME IN HIS CAREER?

Nystrom and his 10-20 points would make for a very good 4th liner.

20-30 points?

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Bickell is just one more guy in a long line of players that weren't much as every day players that had a good PO run.

3rd liner at best.

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The same people will be saying Nystrom is a 3rd liner this year that were saying Pyatt was a 3rd liner after we signed him last year. I'm not saying they're the same players. I'm saying people forget what a 3rd liner actually should be.
Nystrom is a 4th liner. However the Rangers finished 1st 2 years ago with Fedotenko and Prust on the 3rd line.

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We have enough guys who can't score as it is on the bottom lines we don't need more. There's no rule that's says your third line must be made up of grinders incapable of scoring more than 30 pts. We already have Dorset Boyle Pyatt powe etc who all provide minimal bottom line offense. Asham also
Nystrom can't score? He had 16 goals last year. 7 goals and 11 points in 48 games this year. Great PKer.

Asham had 2 goals and 2 points in 27 games.

Pyatt had 6 goals and 11 points. Provides nothing in terms of PKing or PP. Got a lot of playing time.

Powe had 0 goals and 0 points in 42 games this season. 0.

How is he not an upgrade?

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Yeah he was 4th in Dallas TOI/PG amongst LWers.

Sound a lot similar to the Pyatt signing, where a lot were misinformed that he was a solid 3rd line player when he averaged 4th line mins in Phoenix.
Nystrom would be brought in to play similar minutes to Boyle. 4th line ES time. Tons of PK time. Call him whatever you want. 3rd liner. 4th liner. He is effective in his role.

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who do we currently have? Mashinter? Newbury? They are nowhere near the level of those UFAs. We have nobody in Hartford that would make a great 4th line grinder.

We need to sign some of these guys.
Haley is an option.

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Nystrom is worse offensively than Boyle, yet we are going to expect 20-30 points a year from a guy that has hit 20+ points ONE TIME IN HIS CAREER?

Nystrom and his 10-20 points would make for a very good 4th liner.

20-30 points?
21 points in 74 games last year. 11 in 48 this year. I would say 15-25 points is reasonable. For a 4th liner. That's A LOT.

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Bickell is just one more guy in a long line of players that weren't much as every day players that had a good PO run.

3rd liner at best.
Agreed. He will be severely overpaid.

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06-24-2013, 08:17 AM
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But Asham, Powe and Pyatt are all signed for this coming year. I have no issue with wanting to add to the nucleus of this team, but what are we doing with the guys that are here now and that are signed to contracts??

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But Asham, Powe and Pyatt are all signed for this coming year. I have no issue with wanting to add to the nucleus of this team, but what are we doing with the guys that are here now and that are signed to contracts??
Use 1 of them as a depth forward and move the others. Even AHL help would be better if they can upgrade on them in UFA.

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Use 1 of them as a depth forward and move the others. Even AHL help would be better if they can upgrade on them in UFA.
Sather is pretty good when it comes to trades, but I don`t even know if he can get anything of value for Pyatt, Asham, or Powe.

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Asham started his career in Montreal, didn`t he?? They want to get tougher...Slats get Marc Bergevin on the phone.

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Sather is pretty good when it comes to trades, but I don`t even know if he can get anything of value for Pyatt, Asham, or Powe.
I think he could get value for Asham and Pyatt. Unsure on Powe.

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06-24-2013, 08:29 AM
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But Asham, Powe and Pyatt are all signed for this coming year. I have no issue with wanting to add to the nucleus of this team, but what are we doing with the guys that are here now and that are signed to contracts??
try to trade as many of them as possible. Waive the ones you can't trade, keep the one or 2 that remained as 13th/14th forward.

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So Lindberg was MVP in his league championship...........guy looks like a steal..........hes going to make us forget about losing Korpikoski to the Yotes maybe.

He could surprise and make the team in camp
That trade still bothers me.

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That trade still bothers me.
Me too. All we can do is hope that Sather's wizardry in the Lindberg trade makes up for his stupidity in the Korpi trade.

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I think he could get value for Asham and Pyatt. Unsure on Powe.
Agreed. AV loves Pyatt though, he's not going anywhere.

Waive Powe. Asham 13th forward. It's possible a guy like Powe might even clear waivers. Have him play in CT, or give him the Voros treatment (waive him and keep him around). Injuries will strike somewhere around the league where a team will need a depth guy like Powe. Ship him off for a 5th round pick and be done with it.

People are expecting a ton of turnover with this team, not sure why. Most of our guys are signed. I hope they add Nystrom. A dman will be traded at the draft. I hope to sign a vet RHD for the third pairing, but I'm okay if Eminger starts there.

This team will look way more similar to the team that ended last season than a lot of people here expect. I'd still really love to see Haley get a full-time shot, but I don't see any spot for him barring a trade.

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How about trading Staal and say Pyatt to Carolina for 5th overall and Murphy?

Any thoughts on the following UFAs:

Ryan Jones
Pierre-Cedric Labrie
Tyler Bozak
Brenden Morrow
Steve Begin
Kyle Chipchura
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Matt Handricks
Why would we do that? With Staal we have a stellar defense. One of the top 3-5 defenses in the league for sure.

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Nystrom is a 4th liner. However the Rangers finished 1st 2 years ago with Fedotenko and Prust on the 3rd line.
Finished 1st, yes. And with a decent offensive season, yes. Then they arrived in the playoffs, where their lack of offensive depth was immediately exposed. That lack is still there, and is, in fact, even worse now than it was then.

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Agreed. AV loves Pyatt though, he's not going anywhere.

Waive Powe. Asham 13th forward. It's possible a guy like Powe might even clear waivers. Have him play in CT, or give him the Voros treatment (waive him and keep him around). Injuries will strike somewhere around the league where a team will need a depth guy like Powe. Ship him off for a 5th round pick and be done with it.

People are expecting a ton of turnover with this team, not sure why. Most of our guys are signed. I hope they add Nystrom. A dman will be traded at the draft. I hope to sign a vet RHD for the third pairing, but I'm okay if Eminger starts there.

This team will look way more similar to the team that ended last season than a lot of people here expect. I'd still really love to see Haley get a full-time shot, but I don't see any spot for him barring a trade.
The bottom six still makes me cringe a little, but yeah... I donn't see a whole lot changing.

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Why would we do that? With Staal we have a stellar defense. One of the top 3-5 defenses in the league for sure.
5th overall pick gives us an excellent prospect. Murphy gives us a young scoring defenseman similar to Mike Green. Staal's vision will never be the same, and has concussion issues. We also lower the cap hit.

And Staal was never top 3-5 defenseman in the league, not even close, but he has been one of the most overrated players in NHL.

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The reaction to the Werek for Lindberg was mostly negative. If you look at that thread,it was negative. So much angst over Werek. It was weird.

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Finished 1st, yes. And with a decent offensive season, yes. Then they arrived in the playoffs, where their lack of offensive depth was immediately exposed. That lack is still there, and is, in fact, even worse now than it was then.
Was that lack of depth due to that 3rd line or a lack of any sort of offense outside of Gaborik?

Players fill roles on a team. We as fans classify guys as 3rd and 4th liner but many in the bottom-6 should be role-fillers. Nystrom is a guy who will play 10-12 minutes a night. Classify him as you will, it doesn't matter if he is effective in his role.

Gregory Campbell played 13+ minutes per game this past season. People call him a 4th liner. Guys have to fill roles.

Boyle is the same way. People want to classify him as a 4th liner, however he is this teams defensive centerman and one of their top PKers. He plays 10-12 minutes a night easily. The same will happen with Nystrom.

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The reaction to the Werek for Lindberg was mostly negative. If you look at that thread,it was negative. So much angst over Werek. It was weird.
I loved it. I wanted Lindberg in his draft year.

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Gilbert is a likely buyout. Overpaid and did a whole lot of nothing this year on Minnesota's 3rd pairing. DZ for Coyle and Brodziak was already proposed.
Really? Who proposed it, one of you? Because I don't see why Minnesota trades those two players for DZ. I don't see why Minnesota trades those two players at all. Beyond Parise and Koivu, Brodziak is their most important forward.

Besides, Gilbert spent as much of last season on the 2nd pair as on the 3rd. He didn't have a great year, sure. The deal just makes no sense from the Wild's point of view.

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Its been a while since Pyatt played for Vancouver. Pyatt stinks. Torts loved Fedotenko but management didn't re-sign him last summer. Pyatt has success playing with the Sedin twins. Many players have seen their numbers increase playing with the twins. Pyatt is a pylon. Get rid of him.

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5th overall pick gives us an excellent prospect. Murphy gives us a young scoring defenseman similar to Mike Green. Staal's vision will never be the same, and has concussion issues. We also lower the cap hit.

And Staal was never top 3-5 defenseman in the league, not even close, but he has been one of the most overrated players in NHL.
Reading comprehension buddy. With him healthy I said we have a top 3-5 defense in the LEAGUE.

Murphy will not be a Mike Green IMO. We are in a win now mode. That is a trade you make when you are rebuilding.

With respect to Staals vision, it may never be 100% but most things aren't after injuries. Should we trade every player who ever has ever had some sort of significant injury? Also, IIRC it was said in an article that his vision will be about 90-95% of what is was.

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Its been a while since Pyatt played for Vancouver. Pyatt stinks. Torts loved Fedotenko but management didn't re-sign him last summer. Pyatt has success playing with the Sedin twins. Many players have seen their numbers increase playing with the twins. Pyatt is a pylon. Get rid of him.
This. And he doesn't really fill a role. He doesn't provide any toughness. He doesn't PK. He has a top-6 skill-set in the way he plays without the results which makes him a bottom-6er. Teams rarely win with too many of those guys.

Asham is another one. No PP or PK for him.

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I said in a post last week that the market for non-elite goaltenders is weak. Bernier only ended up getting a 3rd liner, a back up goalie and a 2nd. That's a trade you have to make 10/10 times. Good for Toronto for being ballsy and doing something about improving their goaltending situation. I'm not sold on Reimer as a sustainable starter in the NHL. I think he's inconsistent and that last year could have been a flash in the pan. Giving up Frattin, Scrivens and a 2nd is like us giving Zuccarello, Talbot, and a 2nd. I'd do it.

Eklund has the Rangers and Flames talking a deal. Unless Glencross waives his NMC, I'd probably hate whatever deal these teams would make unless it involves Del Zotto and the #6 as centerpieces.

Giordano? Nice player but too expensive and makes Del Zotto even more redundant than he actually is.

Tanguay? Too old and on the decline. Big time pass.

Cammalleri is a nice player but makes $6 million and is a UFA next summer. Ouch. Solves our LW depth problem but the issue of money comes into play.

Stempniak I'd maybe take for a B level prospect. He's more of a 2nd/3rd line tweener than top 6 forward though, not sure I'd be on board with counting on him to be on the 2nd line and sustain his numbers from last season.

I feel like the only one here that doesn't mind Asham as a full time 4th liner on this team. The guy was hurt all season and came into the playoffs and was one of our better players. I don't understand why people want to ship him off. He's here for one more year at a one million dollar cap hit, worth it IMO.

Pyatt is fine as a 4th liner or 13th forward, but to count on him to play top 9 minutes is a huge mistake. Keep him around for the playoffs, but that 1.55 million cap number hurts.

Powe is really the only guy I'd look to ship out. Offensive black hole. Decent speed and PK ability, but brings literally nothing else.

Nick Palmieri was the best player in the Rupp/Powe trade. I don't fault Sather for doing the deal. Trading Rupp was addition by subtraction. He was very pro-PA during the lockout to the point where his tweets got nauseating to read. I wanted him gone after seeing how slow he looked out there, good trade any way you slice it.

Nystrom and Gordon are good 4th line additions, but where are these guys going to play? I can see one cracking the line up if Pyatt is reduced to 13th forward duties, but how much will they cost to sign as free agents? 1.5 million at least? Maybe Powe can be traded off for one of their UFA rights.

To be honest I'd rather allocate that money to a top 6 forward so Hagelin and/or Callahan can be knocked down to our 3rd line "defensive start" line and get them away from the top 6 so the more offensive guys can get the offensive zone starts. They'll still get significant ice time between defensive zone starts and the PK.

I'd almost certainly say get ready to see Max Lapierre as our 4th line center next season. He's a chicken****, but AV loved him and Vancouver and fits the 4th line "energy" role to a T. Not bad on the shootout either if I remember right. Could mean Boyle gets dealt, keep an eye on that situation.

Too many 4th liners, no spots to put them in unless you put 4th liners on the "shutdown" line, which I don't see. I see a rotation of Pyatt, Asham, Dorsett, and Lapierre making up our 4th line "energy" line. I think Boyle gets a crack at 3rd line shutdown center duties. I can just as easily see him being dealt this offseason. Rangers management got a lot of calls about him at the trade deadline, and that was when he was playing poorly and before the good playoffs he had. Time will tell.

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