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06-15-2013, 08:44 PM
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When was the last time that the leading point-getter wasn't even nominated for the Calder?

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06-15-2013, 10:47 PM
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Yakupov got majorly screwed. Good. Good. Let the hate course through him.

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06-15-2013, 11:23 PM
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I don't get it, but oh well. Good for Huberdeau, but I think most knowledgeable fans who watch both conferences know Yakupov had a better overall season. More goals + Yak's end of season was far superior to Huberdeau's.

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06-16-2013, 09:27 AM
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I don't get it, but oh well. Good for Huberdeau, but I think most knowledgeable fans who watch both conferences know Yakupov had a better overall season. More goals + Yak's end of season was far superior to Huberdeau's.
That's what gets me though, the so called "writers" should be the knowledgable ones. It irritates me that it's their job to watch, follow, and report on the NHL and they continue demonstrate their ignorance.

It really doesn't matter who won the trophy though. Huberdeau did have a very good season (although I feel Brodin deserved the trophy).

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06-16-2013, 11:47 AM
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So let me get this straight, Huberdeau received 169 votes and Nail got 122. So 47 voters didn't even have Yak in their top 5? Or perhaps better context is 28% of voters didn't think the leading scorer among rookies was worthy of a 5th place finish. Not sure what to say.
Pretty much this, except there were actually 179 first place votes cast. This means that 57/179 voters (32%) didn't even have Yak in their Top 5.

When Top 3 were announced I told myself I'd reserve judgement until the final voting results were released. I thought maybe it was a tight race between the Top 5 (w/Brodin too).... but now I'm really shaking my head in disbelief.

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06-16-2013, 01:00 PM
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Pretty much this, except there were actually 179 first place votes cast. This means that 57/179 voters (32%) didn't even have Yak in their Top 5.

When Top 3 were announced I told myself I'd reserve judgement until the final voting results were released. I thought maybe it was a tight race between the Top 5 (w/Brodin too).... but now I'm really shaking my head in disbelief.


I know I shouldn't get worked up over awards but they are used in the long run to judge a player's career.

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06-16-2013, 02:21 PM
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I called it. The French Canadian wins again. This is Jose Theodore all over again. As predictable as sunrise.

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06-16-2013, 02:40 PM
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That's what gets me though, the so called "writers" should be the knowledgable ones. It irritates me that it's their job to watch, follow, and report on the NHL and they continue demonstrate their ignorance.

It really doesn't matter who won the trophy though. Huberdeau did have a very good season (although I feel Brodin deserved the trophy).
Since the advent of the internet, it's been readily apparent that the majority of writers out there are just lazy bloggers with a paycheck.

With the proliferation with forums, blogs, and wide spread access to games, any fan can achieve a level of knowledge and investment far in excess of most professional writers these days. The main difference between your average fan and a writer typically being access to the players/clubs, but even that last bastion of status is falling as social media gains steam, and clubs regulate and marginalize the message that the reporters have access to.

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06-16-2013, 04:50 PM
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Do you even have to ask?
I don't understand?

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06-16-2013, 05:14 PM
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Here's how the voting went down.
Wow look at the votes towards the bottom. I wonder if Drew Shore was voted instead of Yakupov

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06-16-2013, 06:48 PM
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I know I shouldn't get worked up over awards but they are used in the long run to judge a player's career.
It's more of a footnote than anything else. Gretz didn't win rookie of the year. Samsonov won it over Thornton. It really isn't that big a deal.

Yakupov's results do demonstrate that the NHL awards are heavily influenced by the larger percentage of Eastern voters though. Not a big surprise. Yak will just have to make them all look foolish next season.

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06-16-2013, 07:06 PM
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Im glad he didnt win. Hes the type of player to let this motviate him. I dont want players settling for the Calder, its a pretty meaningless trophy. Would rather him buckle down and go for the Hart/Lindsey in 3 years

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06-16-2013, 08:32 PM
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Im glad he didnt win. Hes the type of player to let this motviate him. I dont want players settling for the Calder, its a pretty meaningless trophy. Would rather him buckle down and go for the Hart/Lindsey in 3 years
I'd rather everyone just gun for a Cup.

It's a joke he wasn't even nominated, whether he would have won is debatable. But like you said that Calder doesn't matter so much.

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06-16-2013, 09:13 PM
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It's more of a footnote than anything else. Gretz didn't win rookie of the year. Samsonov won it over Thornton. It really isn't that big a deal.

Yakupov's results do demonstrate that the NHL awards are heavily influenced by the larger percentage of Eastern voters though. Not a big surprise. Yak will just have to make them all look foolish next season.
They make themselves foolish.

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06-16-2013, 10:03 PM
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Not surprising . Their is a lot of Oiler hate just need to see it here on hf to understand , media looks for reasons not to vote for Oiler players this year Yak last Nuge.
Oiler hate is awesome. At least we are great at something.

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06-16-2013, 10:25 PM
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I'd rather everyone just gun for a Cup.

It's a joke he wasn't even nominated, whether he would have won is debatable. But like you said that Calder doesn't matter so much.
I think its a major motivational tool for the right players. Just says you got to work harder and produce better to be recognized. Plus if he wins the calder thats a bargaining chip for his agent.

Dont get me wrong, if he won the Calder Id be happy, but Calder is low on the important award scale

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06-17-2013, 02:41 AM
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I don't think media should be allowed to vote on trophy's complete incompetence in their voting . or they should at least list who voted . You would get more honest results from players like the Lindsey award. look at all past winners of that really hard to argue the choices.

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06-18-2013, 01:19 AM
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle12610345/

Great article by James Mirtle explaining some of the interesting voting that happened this year. It seems like the PHWA is considering making all votes public which would go a long way to explaining how things go down.

There was also a discussion recently that revealed that the votes need to be in before the end of the season. Personally I don't see the need for this. It can't be that hard in a digital age to get all the votes tallied.

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06-22-2013, 03:27 PM
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle12610345/

Great article by James Mirtle explaining some of the interesting voting that happened this year. It seems like the PHWA is considering making all votes public which would go a long way to explaining how things go down.

There was also a discussion recently that revealed that the votes need to be in before the end of the season. Personally I don't see the need for this. It can't be that hard in a digital age to get all the votes tallied.
The votes don't have to be in until the start of the first playoff game actually.

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06-22-2013, 03:35 PM
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Calder is meaningless, Steve Mason and Andrew Raycroft won it. Enough said.

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06-23-2013, 10:27 AM
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle12610345/

Great article by James Mirtle explaining some of the interesting voting that happened this year. It seems like the PHWA is considering making all votes public which would go a long way to explaining how things go down.

There was also a discussion recently that revealed that the votes need to be in before the end of the season. Personally I don't see the need for this. It can't be that hard in a digital age to get all the votes tallied.
They want them in so that playoff performances have nothing to do with the voting, which in some cases is kinda stupid. Not sure how GM of the year is about the regular season.

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06-23-2013, 10:32 AM
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Overall I'd like to know who is voting. I still think it should be 1 or 2 people from each City. Yes you are always going to have a couple skews here and there, but I have a feeling if Mirtle is voting that the big hockey markets have more voters, which is unfair IMO.

The NHL awards like most awards are useless IMO and I find myself not caring as the voting just doesn't seem to be all that great.

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06-23-2013, 11:50 AM
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If Nuge's near 70 point pace gets him 5th place votes, it's pretty obvious the media doesn't exactly love the Oilers. Ever since Yakupov's interviews about Team Canada, the Eastern media has had it in for him, which was only exacerbated by the goal celebration this season. The vitriol from guys like Don Cherry all season long towards Yakupov says to me they'd do anything to keep him away from the Calder.

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06-23-2013, 03:34 PM
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Spector talked about the voting process on his radio show around the end of the season. IIRC he said that every city has two media voters. He was one of them.

Apparently they all call each other to get other people's input and don't base it exclusively on what they have seen.

Spector sounded as though he favoured Brodin and Gallagher IIRC.

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Not mentioned...............???

Yakupov had a hot streak the last few games to pull himself up the points standing;

unfortunately, most of the voters had already cast their ballots.......happens when you have a shorten season.............!!!


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