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06-23-2013, 05:27 PM
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If it hasn't changed with the new CBA, we will know by the 1st.
Starts 2 days after last SC games. Ends before start of free agency. In Luongo's case, if he's not bought out, likely before start of draft if he's traded unless Van wants future picks.

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06-23-2013, 05:34 PM
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Well no, because Vancouver wants to use Luongo's caphit to improve other areas of their team. And I'm assuming the contract they get back won't be a goalie.
No team looking for a goalie will deal a productive big salary player for Luongo. Teams will look to dump dead weight along with whatever Van values. Canucks are really over the barrel. Luongo's contract absolutely kills return.

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06-23-2013, 06:21 PM
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If it hasn't changed with the new CBA, we will know by the 1st.
Due to the lockout shortened season and thus accelerated timeline of the off season, the league gave teams until the 5th to complete the buyouts.

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06-23-2013, 06:38 PM
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No team looking for a goalie will deal a productive big salary player for Luongo. Teams will look to dump dead weight along with whatever Van values. Canucks are really over the barrel. Luongo's contract absolutely kills return.
its true...the contract length/numbers are a tough fit for Florida's small market.....if there is a will, something like

Campbell + Versteeg and 2nd rounder for
Luongo, Hansen, Ballard + 1st round pick

would bring good value for both teams....insert tanev/corrado for hansen and or 1st round pick ....

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its true...the contract length/numbers are a tough fit for Florida's small market.....if there is a will, something like

Campbell + Versteeg and 2nd rounder for
Luongo, Hansen, Ballard + 1st round pick

would bring good value for both teams....insert tanev/corrado for hansen and or 1st round pick ....
Campbell, our #1 d-man and only PMD (and if you're including him because he's a cap dump, he's far from that, worth every penny).
Versteeg, our 1st line RW when healthy.
#31 overall pick.

for

Luongo, league's most expensive mentor.
Hansen, 3rd line RW (I think we have more than enough of those already).
Ballard, washed up bottom pairing d-man (we have those too).
#24 overall pick

So no, I don't really see where the so called good value is in that.

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06-23-2013, 06:53 PM
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its true...the contract length/numbers are a tough fit for Florida's small market.....if there is a will, something like

Campbell + Versteeg and 2nd rounder for
Luongo, Hansen, Ballard + 1st round pick

would bring good value for both teams....insert tanev/corrado for hansen and or 1st round pick ....

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its true...the contract length/numbers are a tough fit for Florida's small market.....if there is a will, something like

Campbell + Versteeg and 2nd rounder for
Luongo, Hansen, Ballard + 1st round pick

would bring good value for both teams....insert tanev/corrado for hansen and or 1st round pick ....
I'll take the infraction. Are you smoking crack?

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I'll take the infraction. Are you smoking crack?
The user name says it all.

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its true...the contract length/numbers are a tough fit for Florida's small market.....if there is a will, something like

Campbell + Versteeg and 2nd rounder for
Luongo, Hansen, Ballard + 1st round pick

would bring good value for both teams....insert tanev/corrado for hansen and or 1st round pick ....
Lmao, not a chance. You clearly still think you're going to get elite player value for Lou, it's not going to happen.

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No team looking for a goalie will deal a productive big salary player for Luongo. Teams will look to dump dead weight along with whatever Van values. Canucks are really over the barrel. Luongo's contract absolutely kills return.
A team that considers themselves contenders with a surplus of forwards or defensemen will trade a big money player IMO. I'm not saying a star player, but maybe a player who isn't living up to his contract. Really, they and Vancouver would be helping eachother out.

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06-23-2013, 10:09 PM
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Will shock people, including myself, by saying I'm looking forward to Bobby Lu's return. There are worst ways to spend a lot of dollars and Cap Space (Jovanovski, Upshall, Kuba).
GPanther I'm going to be honest and say I'm royally confused. Your rationale in saying that he could come back makes a lot of sense, but to hear THIS coming from YOU??? I've been on this board for a lot of years now and I distinctly remember you being the most vocal proponent of hiring a goalie on the cheap, and hating in Luongo's contract (that was when he played here for millions less). What's changed? Luongo definitely hasn't gotten better... or younger...

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06-24-2013, 12:24 AM
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What's changed? Luongo definitely hasn't gotten better... or younger...
He's gotten funnier and I figure wasting a lot of money on Luongo is a better waste of money than on the likes of Kuba, Jovo and Upshall.

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Seriously, I want Marky to sit behind a veteran goalie for at least 2 years and with a lot of money coming off our payroll in the next 2 years it probably would be a better investment in a guy like Luongo than those that Tallon has given big money to in the past 3 years.

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Seriously, I want Marky to sit behind a veteran goalie for at least 2 years and with a lot of money coming off our payroll in the next 2 years it probably would be a better investment in a guy like Luongo than those that Tallon has given big money to in the past 3 years.
I don't mind the idea of Markstrom learning from a veteran goalie for another 2 yrs. But Luongo is signed until 2999 and for what he makes, he's not the right choice to do that. If we wanted a guy like that, we should contact Buffalo about Miller or just sign Backstrom as a free agent.

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I don't mind the idea of Markstrom learning from a veteran goalie for another 2 yrs. But Luongo is signed until 2999 and for what he makes, he's not the right choice to do that. If we wanted a guy like that, we should contact Buffalo about Miller or just sign Backstrom as a free agent.
Yeah, but Miller and Backstrom aren't as funny on Twitter!

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As a sidenote, isn't it worrying that when Tallon spends money, look who he spends it on? Jovo? Kuba? Upshall? At least you know what you are getting with Luongo.

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Yeah, but Miller and Backstrom aren't as funny on Twitter!
Hey, let's get a current number 1, future league's most expensive backup in Lu just because he's funny on social media.

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As a sidenote, isn't it worrying that when Tallon spends money, look who he spends it on? Jovo? Kuba? Upshall? At least you know what you are getting with Luongo.
At least all of those above said contracts run out within two years.

The same can't be said for Luongo.

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its true...the contract length/numbers are a tough fit for Florida's small market.....if there is a will, something like

Campbell + Versteeg and 2nd rounder for
Luongo, Hansen, Ballard + 1st round pick

would bring good value for both teams....insert tanev/corrado for hansen and or 1st round pick ....

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As a sidenote, isn't it worrying that when Tallon spends money, look who he spends it on? Jovo? Kuba? Upshall? At least you know what you are getting with Luongo.
He also spent money on Fleischmann, Kopecky, Bergenheim, via trade Campbell, and to a lesser extent, Goc & Mueller. You cant hit it perfect on every free agent or acquisition in terms of value of the contract. But you dont want to be saddled too long with a bad decision and with Luongo's contract with no end in site (and the penalties that go with it if he does retire early), its an even worse situation than Jovo, Kuba and Upshall, combined.

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He also spent money on Fleischmann, Kopecky, Bergenheim, via trade Campbell, and to a lesser extent, Goc & Mueller. You cant hit it perfect on every free agent or acquisition in terms of value of the contract. But you dont want to be saddled too long with a bad decision and with Luongo's contract with no end in site (and the penalties that go with it if he does retire early), its an even worse situation than Jovo, Kuba and Upshall, combined.
if we take a look at it, kuba had a great year in ottawa, upshall is good but injured 24/7 and jovo was brought back to help mentor gudbranson

i think they turned out worse than they should have had

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still looking, hoping louie gets bought out!!!!!!

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He also spent money on Fleischmann, Kopecky, Bergenheim, via trade Campbell, and to a lesser extent, Goc & Mueller. You cant hit it perfect on every free agent or acquisition in terms of value of the contract. But you dont want to be saddled too long with a bad decision and with Luongo's contract with no end in site (and the penalties that go with it if he does retire early), its an even worse situation than Jovo, Kuba and Upshall, combined.
Let's not forget the 4y-27mil contract Tallon gave Khabibulin in Chicago either.

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if we take a look at it, kuba had a great year in ottawa, upshall is good but injured 24/7 and jovo was brought back to help mentor gudbranson

i think they turned out worse than they should have had
Thats looking at it now. But look at it from Tallon's perspective at the time of the signings. Kuba, as you said, was coming off a good yr in Ottawa and was paired with an offensive d-man like he was suppose to do here with Campbell. Upshall was coming off a season where he scored 20+ goals and in his previous yr, even while injured for most of it, he put up 18 goals. Jovo was a veteran leader with past ties to the org so it was less about production and more about what he could do for the team off the ice. It may have turned out worse with those guys but it was kinda worth the risk too based on what they had just seen from those players. Some risks work out like they did with Fleischmann and some dont, just the nature of the business of hockey.

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Let's not forget the 4y-27mil contract Tallon gave Khabibulin in Chicago either.
I dont care what he did in Chicago anymore...he ends up getting blamed for every bad move there and zero credit for any of the good moves there. Honestly, all that matters now is what he does for the Panthers and thats what we should be looking at only. Every GM in the league is gonna have bad signings and its just a matter of how many good signings there are that counter those bad ones.

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LOL @ the Canuck's fans. Anything to dump crap. More like Upshall, Kuba and Jovo for Luo, Ballard and Hansen.

What if, and this is a big what if, Tort's goes with Luo over Schneider? Wouldn't that throw a stick into the spokes of Vancouver and Luongo.

I honestly don't think we trade for Luo, unless its cap hit for cap hit. I still feel he will be bought out.

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