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06-24-2013, 12:31 AM
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Post your Capgeek Roster Offseason Fever Dreams

A find a distinct temptation to mess around with capgeek as a fun distraction while simultaneously understanding it's nonsense and my dreams of signing Horton to play left defense will unjustly remain unrealized.

That said, it's almost draft time/free agency, and everybody has their opinion on what the Sabres should do to fix their woes. Your barber wants them to get rid of those damn Euros and draft some good American boys (RIP Lindy). Your teammate wants them to trade Miller for Jamie Benn because "Lindy loves Miller, bro." Your uncle called just the other day to ask if Briere has signed yet.

Even my namesake takes up valuable print space with such gems as "sign good players" and "trade bad ones for a profit."

It's fun to play GM for an offseason, but it can tend to take away from the discussion even in roster speculation threads. Either it distracts from more thorough analysis or goes ignored, and everyone wants their mad genius to be appreciated, don't they?


At the Draft

Miller (50% retained), McNabb, #16 to Philadelphia for Gustafsson, #11.

- As a result of acquiring Miller, Philadelphia decides to buy out Bryz. Snider's bloodlust is sated.

Free Agency

Sign Guillaume Latendresse to a two-year deal worth 1.25 million per year. Assuming they won't be contending next year, it's a low risk, high potential for reward deal if he can put together a full year like 09-10. They can afford to roll the dice financially.

Sign Bryzgalov to a two-year, 2 million per deal. He's just cashed in from the buyout, so give him a fair shot in a 1A/1B to restore his name. Enroth may not be ready for a full load, no need to rush and spoil him.

Re-sign players as shown. Cody 3 x 3, Flynn 1 x 2, Gustafsson 1.5 x 2, Hackett .9 x 2

2013-2014 Buffalo Sabres

FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($3.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m)
Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) / Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Brian Flynn ($1.000m) / Guillaume Latendresse ($1.000m)
John Scott ($0.750m) / Luke Adam ($0.735m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.500m)
Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) / Mike Weber ($2.000m)
Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jhonas Enroth ($1.250m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($2.000m)
Matthew Hackett ($0.900m)
OTHER
Buried: Cody McCormick ($0.275m)
Buried: Nathan Gerbe ($0.525m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (6.096% of upper limit)
Jason Pominville ($0.795m—0.2%) Ryan Miller ($3.125m—50.0%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,818,190; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $6,331,810

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We are going to suck next year anyway, so here we go.

Get rid of Gerbe. Trade up in the Draft to get Drouin.
Let Miller and Stafford go.
Re-sign Vanek (dont ask just do it).
Get Armia to Rochester, recall him for a few Nhl games.
Sign Mike Smith until we know if Jhonas is the real deal.

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($3.000m) / Jonathan Drouin ($2.000m)
Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Johan Larsson ($0.870m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m)
Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) / Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Brian Flynn ($1.200m)
John Scott ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Tyler Myers ($5.500m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m)
Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) / Mike Weber ($1.200m)
Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Mike Smith ($3.000m)
Jhonas Enroth ($1.250m)
OTHER
Buried: Cody McCormick ($0.275m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1.236% of upper limit)
Jason Pominville ($0.795m—0.2%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $51,027,857; BONUSES: $960,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $14,232,143

Get the first overall pick in 2014 and get Ekblad.

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We are going to suck next year anyway, so here we go.

Get rid of Gerbe. Trade up in the Draft to get Drouin.
Let Miller and Stafford go.
Re-sign Vanek (dont ask just do it).
Get Armia to Rochester, recall him for a few Nhl games.
Sign Mike Smith until we know if Jhonas is the real deal.

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($3.000m) / Jonathan Drouin ($2.000m)
Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Johan Larsson ($0.870m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m)
Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) / Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Brian Flynn ($1.200m)
John Scott ($0.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Tyler Myers ($5.500m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m)
Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) / Mike Weber ($1.200m)
Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Mike Smith ($3.000m)
Jhonas Enroth ($1.250m)
OTHER
Buried: Cody McCormick ($0.275m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1.236% of upper limit)
Jason Pominville ($0.795mó0.2%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $51,027,857; BONUSES: $960,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $14,232,143

Get the first overall pick in 2014 and get Ekblad.

Mike Smith at $3 million? Pipe dream my friend.

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Dont kerr bout numbers...

Building 4 the future...

Trade miller at the draft to a team offering a high-mid 1st

Then, at the deadline, deal ott and vanek to contenders for two more 1sts

That'd be six 1st's in two years.

Then roll this in 2014...

Ennis-hodgson-stafford
Leino-grigs-girgenson

.... And some filler/highly drafted players

The back end features myers, erhroff, and sekera. Drafted players will come along later.

Goalies are enroth and SJ Free Agent Thomas Greiss

... Enjoy the rebuild, do it right.


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Miller + Vanek for Halak and Oshie
Filppula at 4.8 for 5 years
Gordon at 2.5 for 3
One of the Devils defensive defensemen (Fayne/Tallinder) for a nothing pick, or Michael Rozsival on the cheap

Oshie-Hodgson-Filppula
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Ott-Gordon-Flynn
Foligno-Porter-Kaleta
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Ehrhoff-Rozsival
Sekera-Myers
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Halak/Enroth

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Vanek + Miller for Halak + Oshie? It doesn't get much more desperate than that. Let's significantly downgrade two positions because we are a pathetic organization who can't re-sign its best players and can't even get future talent for them. If that is what Darcy gets for our two best players, even Pegula would have to admit he stopped trying.

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I haven't made any changes, just updated the things that changed...
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Jame Offseason Plan v1.0
5 Most important steps in the plan

1.) Sign a head coach with experience working through a rebuild and developing players

2.) Find a suitable trade destination for Miller

3.) Sign appropriate players to augment the roster. Acquire players that allow your youth to develop at the proper pace (dependent on the player). Do NOT force the youth movement.

4.) Do not make any "Leino" signings. No quick fixes. Commit to the long term plan.

5.) Extensions. Work on short term extension for Vanek (1-2 yrs), do NOT sign long term extension. Work on long term extension for Ott (3-4 yrs)
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1. Head Coach: Tom Renney

He built the Rangers prospect system that's been feeding Sather's stupidity for years. He comes from the player development side of the game, and that is a perfect fit for our current rebuild. He currently works in a system we've been trying and failing at implementing for years (associate coach with Detroit). He has experience working with a rebulding team (Edmonton). And there is the whole Gare/Family connection, and we know how big Terry is on family



2. Ryan Miller to Phoenix for David Rundblad

- Ryan Miller's personality needs to go
- Phoenix likely does not want to pay Mike Smith the long term, big dollar contract he may command as an UFA
- Miller gives them a bridge contract, and likely behind that defense/system, gets them back to the playoffs for extra revenue, which is really all that matters out in the desert
- For Miller, he gets to play behind a team that makes Bryzgalov and Smith Vezina candidates... not to shabby for the year before going onto the free agent market for the first time. Miller will hit free agency with incredible numbers.
- For what it's worth.... Phoenix is pretty close to LA, relative to the rest of the NHL....(wife)
- Runblad is a blue chip prospect on the cusp of breaking into the NHL. He's a right handed defensemen who would fit right into the group of defensemen being developed right now (Myers, Pysyk, McNabb)
- Buffalo retains 20% of Miller's contract (1.25 mil)

3. Sign the following free agents

- Rob Scuderi - 3 yrs / 10 million / 3.333 cap
That's more than he makes today. 2 Cups.

- Bryan Bickell - 3 yrs / 7 million / 2.333 cap
Hard nosed player. 1 cup

- Anton Khudobin - 2 yrs / 4.0 million / 2.0 cap

- John Scott - 2 yrs / 1.9 million / .950 cap 1 yr / .750
He can play a regular 4th line shift. He's a great character guy.

3. Waive
- Put Gerbe on waivers. No one will claim him. He can be a vet in Rochester


3. RFA signings

- Cody Hodgson - 6 yrs / 30 million / 5.0 cap
(choosing to go the long term "belief" route, vs the short term "prove it" route)

- Mike Weber - 3 yrs / 6.75 / 2.25 cap

- Jhonas Enroth - 2 yrs / 3.5 / 1.75 cap 2 yrs / 2.5 / 1.25

- Bryan Flynn - 2 yrs / 3.0 / 1.5 cap
(1st year is 2 way, 2nd year 1 way)

3. Qualifying offers for:
Matt Hackett
Luke Adam
Corey Tropp
Nick Crawford

3. Let Walk :
Jacob Lagace
Drew Schiestel
(hehehe )



4. AVOIDED

5. Extend Vanek and Ott

- Vanek 2 yr extension / 16 million / 8.0 cap (after 13-14 season)
Vanek has 3 more years to see if the Sabres can turn it around quickly. Verbal agreement that he can seek a trade during last year of deal.

NOTE : If Vanek is not receptive to this plan, he goes on the block at the trade deadline

- Ott 4 yr extension / 16 million / 4.0 cap (after 13-14 season)


2013-2014 roster (START of season)

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($5.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Marcus Foligno ($0.900m)
Ville Leino ($4.500m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Bryan Bickell ($2.333m)
John Scott ($0.900m) / Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m)
Corey Tropp ($0.578m)
DEFENSEMEN
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Tyler Myers ($5.500m)
Mike Weber ($2.250m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.750m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.333m) / Mark Pysyk ($0.870m)
Chad Ruhwedel ($0.925m)
GOALTENDERS
Anton Khudobin ($2.000m)
Jhonas Enroth ($1.750m)
OTHER
Buried: Cody McCormick ($0.275m)
Buried: Nathan Gerbe ($0.525m)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (3.180% of upper limit)
Jason Pominville ($0.795mó0.2%) Ryan Miller ($1.250mó20.0%)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,101,357; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,048,643

Prospects in Rochester:
Forwards: Girgensons, Armia, Larsson, Flynn, Adam
Defense : McNabb, Rundblad, JGL, Crawford
Goalie : Hackett, Makarov

This is a transition Roster... the worst thing we can do is force the youth...

Future Outlook beyond 2014....aka the Dream '16 plan

Buyout : Leino (before start of 14-15 season, UNLESS he proves otherwise in 13-14)

FORWARDS
Top Scoring Line : Thomas Vanek ($8.000m) / Cody Hodgson ($5.000m) / Joel Armia ($1.275m)
Other Options: Drew Stafford ($4.000m), Tyler Ennis ($4.500m), Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m)


Shutdown Line : Zemgus Girgensons ($1.400m) / Johan Larsson ($1.275m) / Steve Ott ($4.000m)
Other Options : Marcus Foligno ($1.275m), Daniel Catenacci ($0.900m), Justin Kea ($0.700m), Patrick Kaleta ($1.400m), Kevin Porter ($0.800m), Brian Flynn ($1.200m)

Ozone Line : Tyler Ennis ($4.500m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Bryan Bickell ($2.333m)
Other Options : Drew Stafford ($4.000m), Joel Armia ($1.275m), Marcus Foligno ($1.275m), Daniel Catenacci ($0.900m)

Energy Line : Daniel Catenacci ($0.900m) / Justin Kea ($0.700m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.400m)
Other Options : Marcus Foligno ($1.275m), Zemgus Girgensons ($1.400m), Johan Larsson ($1.275m), Steve Ott ($4.000m)
Corey Tropp ($0.850m), John Scott ($0.900m), , Kevin Porter ($0.800m), Brian Flynn ($1.200m)

DEFENSE (options)
Minute Eaters : Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Tyler Myers ($5.500m)
Other Options : Andrej Sekera ($2.750m), Mark Pysyk ($1.750m)

Shutdown Pair : Mike Weber ($2.250m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.750m)
Other Options : Rob Scuderi ($3.333m), Tyler Myers ($5.500m), Chad Ruhwedel ($0.925m)

3rd Pair : Brayden McNabb ($1.250m) / Mark Pysyk ($1.750m)
Other Options : Rob Scuderi, ($3.333m) Chad Ruhwedel ($0.925m), David Rundblad, ($1.250m)


GOALTENDERS (Options)
Anton Khudobin ($2.000m)
Jhonas Enroth ($1.750m)
Matt Hackett ($1.250m)
Andrey Makarov ($0.875m)

NOTE: None of the potential HIGH QUALITY prospects to be acquired in the upcoming draft(s) are accounted for

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Save the histrionics.

Oshie is a core piece for the Blues, whose defense/possession/physicality/age/cost-certainty make up the value between him and Vanek pretty easily. Bookending Hodgson with excellent defensive players and changing the makeup of the team to a deep, physical, possession squad is worth losing 15 points of TV's offense.

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Save the histrionics.

Oshie is a core piece for the Blues, whose defense/possession/physicality/age/cost-certainty make up the value between him and Vanek pretty easily. Bookending Hodgson with excellent defensive players and changing the makeup of the team to a deep, physical, possession squad is worth losing 15 points of TV's offense.



as the originator of vanek for oshie... i approve this message

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Also, if Halak's injury issues are behind him (frankly, that's doubtful), he's not a significant downgrade from Miller.

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Save the histrionics.

Oshie is a core piece for the Blues, whose defense/possession/physicality/age/cost-certainty make up the value between him and Vanek pretty easily. Bookending Hodgson with excellent defensive players and changing the makeup of the team to a deep, physical, possession squad is worth losing 15 points of TV's offense.
You are very comfortable arguing Oshie's best seasons are the norm and Vanek's down seasons are the norm, otherwise 15 points in offense is absurd. We're talking about a player who has never played a full season, who has hit 50 points once in his career, and who Vanek outscored by 21 points this year despite his own injuries. Vanek had as many goals as Oshie had points this season. Oshie isn't on the same planet as Vanek. I swear that people forget that you have to score in hockey to win. It's actually the whole point of the sport.

Ville Leino is a puck possession player with years left on his contract at a similar cap hit. Anybody willing to trade Vanek for Leino? Oh, it's an absurd idea? No kidding.

We also have Corey Tropp coming up, who can play a physical, puck possesion, defensively responsible game and chip in 35 points without having to trade Vanek for it, in case you forgot.


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You are very comfortable arguing Oshie's best seasons are the norm and Vanek's down seasons are the norm, otherwise 15 points in offense is absurd. We're talking about a player who has never played a full season, who has hit 50 points once in his career, and who Vanek outscored by 21 points this year despite his own injuries. Vanek had as many goals as Oshie had points this season. Oshie isn't on the same planet as Vanek. I swear that people forget that you have to score in hockey to win. It's actually the whole point of the sport.

Ville Leino is a puck possession player with years left on his contract at a similar cap hit. Anybody willing to trade Vanek for Leino? Oh, it's an absurd idea? No kidding.

We also have Corey Tropp coming up, who can play a physical, puck possesion, defensively responsible game and chip in 35 points without having to trade Vanek for it, in case you forgot.
I agree that the difference in production between Oshie and Vanek is substantial. Regarding Oshie, though, his totals are not constant due to games missed, but his PPG rate is basically the same every season. I guess in a way that's not entirely positive as there's no progression production-wise, but it's also unlikely that he dips below that amount.

Oshie is a completely different player than Vanek. He plays defense and forechecks. He's a good player. There's no use acting like you're going to get a player as good as Vanek for Vanek unless it's a player with the same contract situation, which is a very unlikely deal to exist out there.

The bottom line is when you trade Vanek, what do you want? A pick? A prospect? A roster player? If it's a roster player, you probably aren't going to get anything better than Oshie.

Now, I understand you'd probably just prefer not to trade him at all, but that should be beside the point. Darcy claims he wants to extend Vanek. If that's true, he's not going to trade Vanek unless Vanek won't sign an extension (or if a deal comes and blows him away). If that happens, then Vanek has to be traded now or at the deadline. So then it comes back to what type of return you prefer.

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You are very comfortable arguing Oshie's best seasons are the norm and Vanek's down seasons are the norm, otherwise 15 points in offense is absurd. We're talking about a player who has never played a full season, who has hit 50 points once in his career, and who Vanek outscored by 21 points this year despite his own injuries. Vanek had as many goals as Oshie had points this season. Oshie isn't on the same planet as Vanek. I swear that people forget that you have to score in hockey to win. It's actually the whole point of the sport.
Oshie was an all-situations checking liner for most of his time in St. Louis, and was also the most purely-talented offensive player on his line with Backes and a revolving door of RWs. He'd be playing the most purely-offensive role with the best offensive linemates of his career here. I'm comparing what Oshie has the potential to bring to what Vanek actually brought his past few seasons here because of their age difference.

I'd rather have three 50-60 point players who control possession and win their matchup than one of the most-abused first lines in the league in its own zone.

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Ville Leino is a puck possession player with years left on his contract at a similar cap hit. Anybody willing to trade Vanek for Leino? Oh, it's an absurd idea? No kidding.
Herp derp, I have no idea how to adjust for role and think Marcus Foligno's role from the tail end of 2012 is the same thing as what Dustin Brown does with Kopitar.

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I swear that people forget that you have to stop the other team from scoring in hockey.

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Seriously, how can you not love the idea of three physical, possession controlling lines, a mobile defense that's solid in its own zone and freaking excellent in transition, and a hyper-talented mismatch line that can really abuse other team's depth lines?

I don't think my lineup is what wins Buffalo the Cup, but I absolutely think it's the framework we need in place in order to develop the rest of the guys in the system.

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Seriously, how can you not love the idea of three physical, possession controlling lines, a mobile defense that's solid in its own zone and freaking excellent in transition, and a hyper-talented mismatch line that can really abuse other team's depth lines?

I don't think my lineup is what wins Buffalo the Cup, but I absolutely think it's the framework we need in place in order to develop the rest of the guys in the system.
I think your hypothetical lineup is terrific, and keeps the Sabres relative in the present while doing nothing to impede the rebuild process.

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Seriously, how can you not love the idea of three physical, possession controlling lines, a mobile defense that's solid in its own zone and freaking excellent in transition, and a hyper-talented mismatch line that can really abuse other team's depth lines?

I don't think my lineup is what wins Buffalo the Cup, but I absolutely think it's the framework we need in place in order to develop the rest of the guys in the system.
How can you love a team that is so talentless? Teams won't have to even match up against us because their is nobody worthy of being shut down.

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We are going to suck next year anyway, so here we go.

Get rid of Gerbe. Trade up in the Draft to get Drouin.
Let Miller and Stafford go.
Re-sign Vanek (dont ask just do it).
Get Armia to Rochester, recall him for a few Nhl games.
Sign Mike Smith until we know if Jhonas is the real deal.

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Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($3.000m) / Jonathan Drouin ($2.000m)
Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Johan Larsson ($0.870m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m)
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DEFENSEMEN
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Tyler Myers ($5.500m)
Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m)
Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) / Mike Weber ($1.200m)
Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m) /
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Mike Smith ($3.000m)
Jhonas Enroth ($1.250m)
OTHER
Buried: Cody McCormick ($0.275m)
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Jason Pominville ($0.795mó0.2%)
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CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $14,232,143

Get the first overall pick in 2014 and get Ekblad.
This is actually impossible. Don't you mean trade them? Surely you don't want to buy them out?

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I swear that people forget that you have to stop the other team from scoring in hockey.
Technically, no, that is not a requirement of winning. Scoring is.

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How can you love a team that is so talentless? Teams won't have to even match up against us because their is nobody worthy of being shut down.


Oshie was the leading scorer on the best team in the west last season. "Nobody worthy of being shut down" my ass.

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I swear that people forget that you have to stop the other team from scoring in hockey.
That's what the defense-men and goalie are for

Why are hockey fans in general so anti-offense? I think people around here have a grinder boner because they played hockey at a low level and resented all of the super talented guy who were just way better than them and that has carried over into how they feel about NHL players.

Scoring goals is still the hardest thing to do in hockey. I want my forwards to help me score goals first, any defense they provide is a secondary bonus.

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How can you love a team that is so talentless? Teams won't have to even match up against us because their is nobody worthy of being shut down.
Again, what the hell do you expect in return for Vanek? It's not going to make the team more talented than it was with Vanek, because it doesn't work that way. Do you trade in your old car for this year's model fresh off the lot without adding more to the deal?

Oshie is talented. Filppula is talented and added without the cost of talent. Other players and prospects in the organization are talented. I ask again, what kind of return do you think Vanek is going to get?

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Technically, no, that is not a requirement of winning. Scoring is.
Uh. If scoring for your team is a requirement of winning then logically preventing the other team from doing the same -- you know, their requirement for winning -- is also a requirement for winning. Let's use our powers of reason, please.

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Oshie was the leading scorer on the best team in the west last season. "Nobody worthy of being shut down" my ass.
That's relative. He was the leading scorer because that team sucked at scoring goals. Just because the rest of his team doesn't score doesn't mean he's a better player for that.

He's not an elite offensive talent, he's just another solid NHL forward and certainly doesn't have the value than an elite goal scorer like Vanek does.

Goals are still the rarest, more desirable commodity in the league and the guys who score a lot of them are rare and desireable. Guys like Oshie are a much more common breed and aren't worth as much, evidenced by the fact that nobody will pay a guy with a career high of 54 points $6+ million a year, even if he wins a Selke.

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That's what the defense-men and goalie are for

Why are hockey fans in general so anti-offense? I think people around here have a grinder boner because they played hockey at a low level and resented all of the super talented guy who were just way better than them and that has carried over into how they feel about NHL players.

Scoring goals is still the hardest thing to do in hockey. I want my forwards to help me score goals first, any defense they provide is a secondary bonus.
Who the hell is anti-offense? He says that scoring is how you win games. Stopping scoring logically can't be less important than scoring, because from the opponent's perspective scoring is as important as it is from your perspective. Whether games are 6-5 or 2-1, it is literally no less important to stop the other team from scoring than it is to score. There is no logical way to argue otherwise. I'm not the one who brought any of this up either, so I'm not harping on it nor am I saying anything negative about offense. Me stressing the importance of defense inherently stresses the importance of offense... this dichotomy in inverse was all I was pointing out.

Edit: I just read the rest of the comment now. First off, no one is talking about grinders. Second off, I find it amusing to insinuate that people who've actually played the game are not more understanding of what the game's about, but instead are just jealous of more talented players (e.g. every single player in the NHL including all grinders). Makes sense. Everyone just hates offense because they understand what Thomas Vanek's trade value is.


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