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06-24-2013, 01:59 PM
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4+ million for a player who has never scored over 50 points? What was the point of the last lockout..? Looks like nothing has changed.
Well, to be fair, he was on pace for 60 points this year.

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4+ million for a player who has never scored over 50 points? What was the point of the last lockout..? Looks like nothing has changed.
The cap isn't 40M anymore. 4+ Million for a second line center is pretty middle of the pack.

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One thing that concerns me with resigning Gags is Logan Couture's overpayment. Gagner is younger, has more career points, and outscored him last year. Couture is the better player, but is Couture half again better? Hell no

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06-24-2013, 02:07 PM
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I hope that Gagner signs a reasonable contract in the vein of Smid. Despite their different positions both of them have followed similar career paths on the Oilers and both of them seem to love playing here. Fingers crossed.

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4+ million for a player who has never scored over 50 points? What was the point of the last lockout..? Looks like nothing has changed.
Not that it'll make you feel better or anything, but last year if it had been a full season he was on pace for 65 points as a 23 year old.

Assuming he stays healthy and continues to produce at that level this upcoming season (and there's no reason to think that we shouldn't expect the new normal for him to be a 60+ point player from here on out), he'll have absolutely no problems getting a team to give him a contract that's north of 5M/yr as a UFA...especially with the current trend these past few seasons where the UFA pickings get slim once UFA season actually hits.

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06-24-2013, 02:35 PM
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No reason he should be making a ton more than Oshie (4.175mil). Oshie is better in every facet of the game

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One thing that concerns me with resigning Gags is Logan Couture's overpayment. Gagner is younger, has more career points, and outscored him last year. Couture is the better player, but is Couture half again better? Hell no
Couture has scored 30+ goals twice already and had 21 in 48 games last year. He is much better defensively and over all is a much more valuable player. Right now he is probably SJ's top core piece going forward. They are not comparable at all.

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My guess is if he signs a 4 yr deal it will be 4.5, 5.25, 5.5, 5.5 (20.75)

And worth every penny, the man is shawn freakin horcoff with offensive ability and his last name is all WIN.


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Couture has scored 30+ goals twice already and had 21 in 48 games last year. He is much better defensively and over all is a much more valuable player. Right now he is probably SJ's top core piece going forward. They are not comparable at all.
I never said he wasn't, but I guarantee Gags' agent is using Couture as a comparable. When you outscore someone, you generally wouldn't ask for 2 million less than what they signed for a week prior

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06-24-2013, 03:29 PM
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Not that it'll make you feel better or anything, but last year if it had been a full season he was on pace for 65 points as a 23 year old.

Assuming he stays healthy and continues to produce at that level this upcoming season (and there's no reason to think that we shouldn't expect the new normal for him to be a 60+ point player from here on out), he'll have absolutely no problems getting a team to give him a contract that's north of 5M/yr as a UFA...especially with the current trend these past few seasons where the UFA pickings get slim once UFA season actually hits.
He was already flaming out spectacularly as last season wound down. He wasn't going to hit 60 points.

Lowetide and friends are guessing $5.2/year and folks are lining up to tweet "pay the man".

It might be time for me to grab an Eastern team to cheer for if 1-D here gets more than $5M/year. No way that any respectable team would give their 1-D 2C that.

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06-24-2013, 03:45 PM
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I know for a fact Gagner recenty turned down a 4 yr offer for $4.5M/yr by the Oil. I can't see how they can pay him much more than that


Wow. No thanks to anything more then that.

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4 to 4.5m is right on the mark. I say 4 years max though. I wouldn't want to be locked in too long if he doesnt continue to develop.

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06-24-2013, 04:15 PM
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Overpay and this kid is Horcoff #2...

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Losing Petry would be a serious detriment to the defense.

And pair that with the fact that Carolina values Skinner close to where they value the Staal brothers. I don't think that deal gets done.
Not really, he's like Tom Gilbert 2.0. He's a turnover machine, and usually is very soft on the puck. He has the odd game where it looks like he's gonna break out and live up to his hype, only to turn around and lay an egg the next 5 games.

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He was already flaming out spectacularly as last season wound down. He wasn't going to hit 60 points.

Lowetide and friends are guessing $5.2/year and folks are lining up to tweet "pay the man".

It might be time for me to grab an Eastern team to cheer for if 1-D here gets more than $5M/year. No way that any respectable team would give their 1-D 2C that.
Maybe he would've, maybe he wouldn't...it's conjecture on your part. What's undeniable is what he DID produce in 48 games, which is all I was getting at. With RNH out for the year he was absolutely going to get all the best offensive minutes. Health willing, I think he would've had a good chance to eclipse the 60 point barrier. Again, just my opinion.

That being said, I wouldn't want the Oilers to be paying >5M/yr for him. IMO he's worth 4.75M at most.

It's also worth noting that the Oilers aren't really in a position at this time to be playing hardball when it comes to Gagner, given this team's complete lack of center depth with RNH's injury issues and Horcoff's impending departure.

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06-24-2013, 04:19 PM
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He was already flaming out spectacularly as last season wound down. He wasn't going to hit 60 points.

Lowetide and friends are guessing $5.2/year and folks are lining up to tweet "pay the man".

It might be time for me to grab an Eastern team to cheer for if 1-D here gets more than $5M/year. No way that any respectable team would give their 1-D 2C that.
Yup. 28 points in the first 28 games. 10 points in the last 20 games.

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Not really, he's like Tom Gilbert 2.0. He's a turnover machine, and usually is very soft on the puck. He has the odd game where it looks like he's gonna break out and live up to his hype, only to turn around and lay an egg the next 5 games.
Agreed with everything here.
Only positive about him is that he throws out a half-assed (literally) hip-check once in a while.

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I'm generally pro-Gagner but not at 5M per season... and I don't even know how he could argue he should get that much.

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I am too lazy to look it up, what did gagner score the last 12-15 games when it mattered most? i seem to recall it wasn't at a great clip and his defense was horrid.

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I am too lazy to look it up, what did gagner score the last 12-15 games when it mattered most? i seem to recall it wasn't at a great clip and his defense was horrid.
7 in the last 15.

4 in the last 10.


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One thing that concerns me with resigning Gags is Logan Couture's overpayment. Gagner is younger, has more career points, and outscored him last year. Couture is the better player, but is Couture half again better? Hell no
Couture is light years better than Gagner. Better goal scorer, just as good a playmaker and MUCH better defensively. His value to the Sharks is as much as Hall's is to the Oilers.

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We might be forced to give him 5 since Horcoff is likely gone and our center depth is horrible
2 years 10 million would be decent imo

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7 in the last 15.

4 in the last 10.
thx dnicks, so 11 in the last 25, playing prime minutes and with our best players? and after RNH out? so a 36 ppg pace based on a full season.

No i dont think he will score 36, but i dont see him at 60 either. i would bet around 45-50 again. not worth anything close to 5 million imo.

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I cannot fathom paying gagner more than 4 mil a year.

He was having exactly the season last year he always does. Streaky as hell, and then a long cold streak, the season just didn't carry on long enough for it to be completely recognized.

He would not have broken 60 points and should not be paid like he would have.

He is a center who has never score more than 50 points, is average at best defensively, sucks at faceoffs, and when he's not scoring he brings nothing else.

If he gets more than 4.5m it is a detriment to The team.

How are we supposed to keep our core if we're paying our complimentary players 5m a year.

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Why are you all surprised? We knew he was looking for $5M/year. If you expected him to take $4.5M you are dreaming, especially after the year he had. Someone talked about him flaming out the last part of the season, well who didn't. We were in a playoff spot and lost something like 10 out of 11.

I'm not saying we pay this guy huge, but he's earned his pay. This smells like Smyth all over again, saying $5M is Sooo expensive. It's a 500k difference between sweet spot and overpaid? We're talking 0.8% of the cap here in difference.

Pay the man. Enough with the penny pinching BS. If we've made the decision that he's a part of the core going forward then we live and die by that. If not, trade his rights. If you think we can find a 2C this year in FA or trade that's worth less in cap space and assets than what we have right now then why is it even a question? The reason is we have no options, and he knows it.

$5M is what he'll likely get over 4 years.
$5.5M if he pushes for it, but likely only 2-3 years. And that type of deal will likely sour the relationship between both parties.

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