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06-24-2013, 06:19 PM
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Lecavalier is Richards 2.0. Huge no.

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06-24-2013, 06:21 PM
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Signing retreads as depth forwards hasn't worked out well.

Which prospects have come up and not done well in bottom-6 spots? Anisimov, Hagelin, Callahan, Stepan, and Dubinsky all started there.
If those players all stayed on lines 2-4, we'd have a heckuva team. Unfortunately, most of them have either been traded for the "top-end" talent you speak of, or are slotted higher in the lineup than they really should be. Its a good example of how complex the problem is in regards to roster construction.

Sather, for 13 years, has been the guy running around closing one leak with a spigot just to watch 2 more leaks open.

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06-24-2013, 06:25 PM
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Lecavalier is Richards 2.0. Huge no.
Agreed, need to target a young C like a Burmistrov, nyquist etc

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06-24-2013, 06:27 PM
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Burmistrov would cost Del Zotto.

What we do with the rest of the lineup dictates how good a decision that would be. I, for one, would rather have Couturier. Where all else is equal size prevails.
With the Streit deal, I'm going to assume they're out on Del Zotto. I prefer Schenn. Couturier is an average at best skater. Same for Stepan. Not good to be immobile down the middle.

I like Ferraro a lot. Detroit has DeKeyser, Sproul, Smith. So unfortunately, i think they'd be out on Del Zotto, as well. Stastny is a realistic option. But he's highly paid, and another slow skater.

Burmistrov has the skill, smarts, and speed that we should be looking for.

We were a slow, predictable team that couldn't exit our own zone nor had the overall team speed to get through the neutral zone. Size won't fix that. Speed and skill will.

Stepan
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That's a nice core of centers.

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06-24-2013, 06:32 PM
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With the Streit deal, I'm going to assume they're out on Del Zotto. I prefer Schenn. Couturier is an average at best skater. Same for Stepan. Not good to be immobile down the middle.

I like Ferraro a lot. Detroit has DeKeyser, Sproul, Smith. So unfortunately, i think they'd be out on Del Zotto, as well. Stastny is a realistic option. But he's highly paid, and another slow skater.

Burmistrov has the skill, smarts, and speed that we should be looking for.

We were a slow, predictable team that couldn't exit our own zone nor had the overall team speed to get through the neutral zone. Size won't fix that. Speed and skill will.

Stepan
Brassard
Burmistrov
Lindberg

That's a nice core of centers.
Miller possibly as well..

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06-24-2013, 06:38 PM
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Agreed, need to target a young C like a Burmistrov, nyquist etc
I feel like the Rangers front office feels like they did target their "young C" and acquired him in Brassard.

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06-24-2013, 06:40 PM
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With the Streit deal, I'm going to assume they're out on Del Zotto. I prefer Schenn. Couturier is an average at best skater. Same for Stepan. Not good to be immobile down the middle.

I like Ferraro a lot. Detroit has DeKeyser, Sproul, Smith. So unfortunately, i think they'd be out on Del Zotto, as well. Stastny is a realistic option. But he's highly paid, and another slow skater.

Burmistrov has the skill, smarts, and speed that we should be looking for.

We were a slow, predictable team that couldn't exit our own zone nor had the overall team speed to get through the neutral zone. Size won't fix that. Speed and skill will.

Stepan
Brassard
Burmistrov
Lindberg

That's a nice core of centers.
A nice core of centers for what exactly? What are your expectations with those centers?

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I feel like the Rangers front office feels like they did target their "young C" and acquired him in Brassard.
and that's fine, but I still think we could use another one.. Boston has 3 very good centers down the middle (Krejci, Seguin, bergeron) all who put up between 50-60 pts (not elite #1c numbers like a Malkin, Crosby, pre Rangers Richards) but all very good nonetheless. Thats what the Rangers need to try to emulate. They have 1 with Stepan, maybe 2 if Brassard can pick up even 10 pts more than his usual 40 points.

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A nice core of centers for what exactly? What are your expectations with those centers?
well Stepan is turning into a 1c, Brassard is a 3c at the worst (could turn into a 2c), and then Burmistrov has all the talent possible to be better than both of them.

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and that's fine, but I still think we could use another one.. Boston has 3 very good centers down the middle (Krejci, Seguin, bergeron) all who put up between 50-60 pts (not elite #1c numbers like a Malkin, Crosby, pre Rangers Richards) but all very good nonetheless. Thats what the Rangers need to try to emulate. They have 1 with Stepan, maybe 2 if Brassard can pick up even 10 pts more than his usual 40 points.
Point totals alone don't cut it IMO. All 3 of Krejci, Bergeron and Peverely are solid 2-way players. In the case of Bergeron, he is probably the best 2-way player in the league.

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06-24-2013, 06:46 PM
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and that's fine, but I still think we could use another one.. Boston has 3 very good centers down the middle (Krejci, Seguin, bergeron) all who put up between 50-60 pts (not elite #1c numbers like a Malkin, Crosby, pre Rangers Richards) but all very good nonetheless. Thats what the Rangers need to try to emulate. They have 1 with Stepan, maybe 2 if Brassard can pick up even 10 pts more than his usual 40 points.
Seguin has yet to play an NHL game at center. But Krejci-Bergeron is a great 1-2 punch. Perverley is the 3C and Kelly the 4C, when healthy.

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06-24-2013, 06:57 PM
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well Stepan is turning into a 1c, Brassard is a 3c at the worst (could turn into a 2c), and then Burmistrov has all the talent possible to be better than both of them.
That looks a championship center core to you?

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The roster has too many holes and no money to fill them with Richards on the team. On top of that,Richards get hurts and the rest of the team will pay the price. Its paying all of the group IIs this summer. Paying the group IIs and IIIs next summer. With the cap going up by a few million for 14-15. Lundqvist will take up all of the cap increase by himself. The team will have zero depth. Sather keeps talking the Hawks and Bruins. Those teams have depth. 12 forwards and 6 defensemen. All of their players can play.
Go talk to Sather, he's the one making the decision. And he's the one who's put the players on the ice for the last 13 years.

I don't try and guess what the Man Behind the Curtain is thinking. Didn't want him first place, haven't wanted him running the organization since then.

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06-24-2013, 07:36 PM
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Maybe I’m missing something, but not quite sure about this theory that the loss of John Tortorella helps Brad Richards’ cause to NOT be bought out.

Tortorella hung on to his long-time compadre until the veteran center’s deteriorating play forced him to make a decision to demote and then bench him. No choice. Would’ve happened sooner without their previous relationship from Tampa, methinks.

If Torts was still in New York, he might have fought to keep Broadway Brad for another year, arguing that training camp and a fresh start would revitalize him. In fact, I’m not sure that he and Sather didn’t go toe-to-toe on this.
Torts said on break up day that he thought Richards would bounce back and have a good year. Two days later,Sather fired him.

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The decision is in Sather’s hands, and can’t be official once the buyout period begins 48 hours after the Final ends. That could be late Wednesday (if the Hawks win the Cup tonight) to July 4, the day prior to free agency. Or it could start Friday, if there’s a Game 7.

If Slats wants a puck-moving, uptempo game and avoid a potential financial quagmire, he absolutely should cut Richards loose, and probably will.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...walk-1.5560398

Brad Richards came to New York because of John Tortorella. The Calgary Flames offered him more money. Their other client Iginla needed a center. Newport Sports wanted Richards to take the Calgary deal. Ron McLean reported that. When Pat Morris was in FLA last week meeting with Dale Tallon about Stephen Weiss. McLean reported that. McLean's source for the Rangers and Richards stuff is Morris.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...ortorella.html

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06-24-2013, 07:37 PM
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Go talk to Sather, he's the one making the decision. And he's the one who's put the players on the ice for the last 13 years.

I don't try and guess what the Man Behind the Curtain is thinking. Didn't want him first place, haven't wanted him running the organization since then.
Sather is an idiot.

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06-24-2013, 07:46 PM
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Buy out Richards, let Lindberg/Miller fight it out for that 3C. Live with the growing pains.
The only benefit I see for bringing back Richards is to allow Lindberg and Miller to fully develop, but the many risks outweigh this benefit.

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That looks a championship center core to you?
Most center cores don't look like championship center cores until they win one. If I looked at Toews, Handzus and Bolland on paper, 'championship core' isn't the first thing that jumps to mind. Chemistry is important and a team can be better than the sum of its parts. We've invested millions in big names with pedigree and it's gotten is nowhere.

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Most center cores don't look like championship center cores until they win one. If I looked at Toews, Handzus and Bolland on paper, 'championship core' isn't the first thing that jumps to mind. Chemistry is important and a team can be better than the sum of its parts. We've invested millions in big names with pedigree and it's gotten is nowhere.
So the rest of the cast of characters are sufficient to make those 4 centers championship caliber? Especially at wing?? Especially at left wing and on the lower lines??

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That looks a championship center core to you?
3 players who could all potentially put up 50 points with two playing good defense? In Stepan's case more than 50.

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06-24-2013, 08:08 PM
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Lecavalier is Richards 2.0. Huge no.
I see reasons why you can say that, but a lot of that has to do with the contract. Lecavalier isn't going to receive another massive contract.

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Agreed, need to target a young C like a Burmistrov, nyquist etc
We have two young centers already. Richards - although I want to give him another year and then buy him out - will probably be gone. We're going to be a very young team down the middle. I like that, but that's a little scary. Stepan answered a lot of questions this season, but can he repeat his performance or get better during an 82 game season as the 1st line center?

Can Brassard be that 2nd line center through an 82 season? Lindberg? Miller? Lecavalier guarantees gives major stability right away.

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Most center cores don't look like championship center cores until they win one. If I looked at Toews, Handzus and Bolland on paper, 'championship core' isn't the first thing that jumps to mind. Chemistry is important and a team can be better than the sum of its parts. We've invested millions in big names with pedigree and it's gotten is nowhere.
True, but Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook does say 'championship core' IMO. The other guys fit in around that.

The Rangers don't have a core that looks anything like that, and u don't think it's possible for them to get one anytime soon

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So the rest of the cast of characters are sufficient to make those 4 centers championship caliber? Especially at wing?? Especially at left wing and on the lower lines??
Not at the moment, but I believe we can get there. We have to get away from this mentality that we're going to build a team every summer that will win the cup on paper. Our best finish in years came from a team that most if us thought would be a bubble team at best.

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We have two young centers already. Richards - although I want to give him another year and then buy him out - will probably be gone. We're going to be a very young team down the middle. I like that, but that's a little scary. Stepan answered a lot of questions this season, but can he repeat his performance or get better during an 82 game season as the 1st line and center?

Can Brassard be that 2nd line center through an 82 season? Lindberg? Miller? Lecavalier guarantees gives major stability right away.
It depends what he wants obviousl. If he is even bought out.

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It depends what he wants obviousl. If he is even bought out.
Of course, but no way he's a Richards 2.0 if he gets a contract that is worth his value, in my opinion

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