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06-17-2013, 06:24 PM
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I really do not see the ability on the Nuck's to be a great team. Vancouver with the roster they have, and not mention the injuries they had this season, just should not compete with Chi, Bos, Pitt and co to be honest.

They are atleast one elite forward and one elite D from competing.
If Vancouver's roster wasnt good enough the last couple of years, where does that put the Rangers?

Its unbelievable that Vigneault gets a pass because of limited personnel and the last 2 Rangers coaches got destroyed for stifling the roster. This is truly bizarro world

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If Vancouver's roster wasnt good enough the last couple of years, where does that put the Rangers?

Its unbelievable that Vigneault gets a pass because of limited personnel and the last 2 Rangers coaches got destroyed for stifling the roster. This is truly bizarro world
You can't have limited personnel and stifle what you've got?

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If Vancouver's roster wasnt good enough the last couple of years, where does that put the Rangers?

Its unbelievable that Vigneault gets a pass because of limited personnel and the last 2 Rangers coaches got destroyed for stifling the roster. This is truly bizarro world
Our roster was essentially the same from 2011. Only difference? And a huge one? Heart. Our guys didn't play with any heart or motivation to get back to the Finals to win the Cup. Only guy who actually tried? Roberto Luongo.

Everyone else, and yes, including fan favourites Alex Burrows and Ryan Kesler, can go ***** themselves a new hole if they don't come out this season and played some inspired hockey.

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For the record, I think Messier has as much say in Richards' fate as Richards does but this is a little concerning. Still think it makes too much fiscal sense not to buy him out this summer but who knows with this organization?

Also, not sure I would trust the word of a caddy, certainly wouldn't bet my life on it. Maybe stan the caddy can weigh in here about whether this caddy is a worthy source?

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06-24-2013, 12:35 PM
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For the record, I think Messier has as much say in Richards' fate as Richards does but this is a little concerning. Still think it makes too much fiscal sense not to buy him out this summer but who knows with this organization?

Also, not sure I would trust the word of a caddy, certainly wouldn't bet my life on it. Maybe stan the caddy can weigh in here about whether this caddy is a worthy source?


I've actually played Bayonne. Super tough golf course and irrc I had the caddy on the left. I think he was caddying for a woman on the LPGA tour as well as putting in some hours at Bayonne.

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Bill Murray chasing gophers does not sound reliable to me. Richards must go, heave ho!

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06-24-2013, 01:49 PM
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It was previous obvious he wasnt going to be bought out this season. At least for me so no surprise.

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It was previous obvious he wasnt going to be bought out this season. At least for me so no surprise.
How? Please explain how it was obvious to you when he had a crap season and his coach was **** canned. And the amnesty buyout.

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There are very few tea leaves to read, don't see how anyone not involved in the decision can say one way or the other with any certainty.

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Our roster was essentially the same from 2011. Only difference? And a huge one? Heart. Our guys didn't play with any heart or motivation to get back to the Finals to win the Cup. Only guy who actually tried? Roberto Luongo.

Everyone else, and yes, including fan favourites Alex Burrows and Ryan Kesler, can go ***** themselves a new hole if they don't come out this season and played some inspired hockey.
Can't discount the loss of Ehrhoff and Kesler being chronically injured. Also the Sedins have regressed.

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Can't discount the loss of Ehrhoff and Kesler being chronically injured. Also the Sedins have regressed.
Uhoh, I think that means the Vigneault's coaching ability has regressed too, if I understand the arguments being made on this board correctly.

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If Vancouver's roster wasnt good enough the last couple of years, where does that put the Rangers?

Its unbelievable that Vigneault gets a pass because of limited personnel and the last 2 Rangers coaches got destroyed for stifling the roster. This is truly bizarro world
I go by what I see on the ice. We were never great under Torts. We had one good year, in which we looked horrible for the first two months, played well, not great, from around December to early Feb before going downhill the rest of the way (barely beating the 8th and 7th seed before loosing against a MUCh better looking NJD in the conference finals). We shouldn't talk about offense, because we never had any. But let's talk defense. We had almost a handful major breakdowns per period under Torts. We never hit. 1-2 big hits per season. Our players never retaliated, out stars were getting runned. Our PK were downright awful this season save for Hank.

Why should we let Torts coach this team out of the 20 candidates out there maybe? Before coaching us, Torts finnished 30th overall. This year, with three superstar scorers, Hank, great blueline, homegrown depth, torts got us to the 8th spot. IN THE EAST.

Our system was the laughing stock of the league.

I just don't get why he should be our coach next season. So many defends him. I just fail to see the argument.

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06-24-2013, 05:37 PM
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I know it is a ***** ass excuse, but maybe the lockout really affected Brad? I can't remember hearing anything about him playing or working out during that time...

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I know it is a ***** ass excuse, but maybe the lockout really affected Brad? I can't remember hearing anything about him playing or working out during that time...
Boyle admitted that he wasn't ready at the start of the season, but he really picked things up at the end.

The problem with that line of thinking for Richards is that he never really looked good at any point during the season. And it just got worse in the playoffs.

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I go by what I see on the ice. We were never great under Torts. We had one good year, in which we looked horrible for the first two months, played well, not great, from around December to early Feb before going downhill the rest of the way (barely beating the 8th and 7th seed before loosing against a MUCh better looking NJD in the conference finals). We shouldn't talk about offense, because we never had any. But let's talk defense. We had almost a handful major breakdowns per period under Torts. We never hit. 1-2 big hits per season. Our players never retaliated, out stars were getting runned. Our PK were downright awful this season save for Hank.

Why should we let Torts coach this team out of the 20 candidates out there maybe? Before coaching us, Torts finnished 30th overall. This year, with three superstar scorers, Hank, great blueline, homegrown depth, torts got us to the 8th spot. IN THE EAST.

Our system was the laughing stock of the league.

I just don't get why he should be our coach next season. So many defends him. I just fail to see the argument.
we finished 8th?

where did Ottawa and the Isles finish then?

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How? Please explain how it was obvious to you when he had a crap season and his coach was **** canned. And the amnesty buyout.
I did in the thread already.

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Zipay weighs in, basically advocating what others here have been saying for weeks concerning Brad:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...walk-1.5560398

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honestly if they didnt run the risk of getting screwed on the cap if Richards got hurt then I would say keep him this yr because its not like the UFA's are going to be much better

Thing is that's not the case and they could get screwed if they dont buy him out know so with that he has to go

keep all of the RFA's and still have money to spend on a few UFA bodies. Hopefully a kid surprises like Fast, Lindberg,etc

I really dont mind going in with the same team just a new coaching style

At the same time Sather is crazy and I could see Staal and say Pyatt, later pick to Caroina for Faulk and the 5th

It gives McD, DZ, Moore, Girardi, Faulk, Stralman.

Some say the 5th pick is too high but did J.Staal not get a 7th overall or something close?

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honestly if they didnt run the risk of getting screwed on the cap if Richards got hurt then I would say keep him this yr because its not like the UFA's are going to be much better

Thing is that's not the case and they could get screwed if they dont buy him out know so with that he has to go

keep all of the RFA's and still have money to spend on a few UFA bodies. Hopefully a kid surprises like Fast, Lindberg,etc

I really dont mind going in with the same team just a new coaching style

At the same time Sather is crazy and I could see Staal and say Pyatt, later pick to Caroina for Faulk and the 5th

It gives McD, DZ, Moore, Girardi, Faulk, Stralman.

Some say the 5th pick is too high but did J.Staal not get a 7th overall or something close?
I've been mulling that idea around too (+/- Pyatt, becuase he's dead weight, but if we can get rid of him in the process you do it)...

Question is: who do you see us taking @ 5? Very intriguing...

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The guy could put up 100 points next season and you'll still have to buy him out. And if he puts up those 100 points in the first 81 games and gets injured in game 82, the salary structure of the team is ****ed for the last three years of the deal (if not longer). Not worth the risk.

There's no debate here. He will retire before that contract expires, and therefore the Rangers will get hit on the cap for significant dollars. There's simply no choice.

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The guy could put up 100 points next season and you'll still have to buy him out. And if he puts up those 100 points in the first 81 games and gets injured in game 82, the salary structure of the team is ****ed for the last three years of the deal (if not longer). Not worth the risk.

There's no debate here. He will retire before that contract expires, and therefore the Rangers will get hit on the cap for significant dollars. There's simply no choice.
The risk of being screwed greatly outweighs the positives. He needs to be bought out.

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The guy could put up 100 points next season and you'll still have to buy him out. And if he puts up those 100 points in the first 81 games and gets injured in game 82, the salary structure of the team is ****ed for the last three years of the deal (if not longer). Not worth the risk.

There's no debate here. He will retire before that contract expires, and therefore the Rangers will get hit on the cap for significant dollars. There's simply no choice.
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The risk of being screwed greatly outweighs the positives. He needs to be bought out.
And yet, according to the last that we heard yesterday (via the caddy at Bayonne), Brad says that he is NOT getting bought out this year. I think it comes down to a business decision in the sense that Jimmy D wants another year out of Brad before the inevitable buyout -- whether that decision is one full of risk or not.

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And yet, according to the last that we heard yesterday (the caddy at Bayonne), Brad says that he is NOT getting bought out this year. I think it comes down to a business decision in the sense that Jimmy D wants another year out of Brad before the inevitable buyout -- whether that decision is one full of risk or not.
Do you really trust a caddy that much? I wouldn't trust anything these guys have to say right now. For all we know we're being fed junk. This is a terrible decision, and it will be even worse if he gets injured.

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